Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

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Cantonagotmehere said:
I just don't understand who we will have in attack for the rest of the season if Garnacho, Rashfod and Antony all leave?

I do not think we can count on bringing in anyone by the end of this window.

Why not sell him in the Summer and use the PSR influx then? Not sure what I am missing?

Hojlund, Zrikzee, Bruno and Diallo as options for up front? (no way we can count on Mount)
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Yeah there's been zero concrete links to any wide type forwards or inside 10's which is telling
 
Cantonagotmehere said:
I will try and trust the new regime here, but we are running out of time. If one of the 4 I mentioned gets hurt, we are fecked. And we already are fecked.
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I'd imagine any signings we make will be on deadline day. Just seems to happen that way in January and that is especially true for us as we are waiting to shift Garnacho.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
United's whole identity is having home grown players in the first team and winning with them, kind of like Barcelona. This just feels like we are becoming Chelsea.
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That sort of requires the home grown players being good enough to win titles though.

Also not sure why so many are acting like we’ll never have a talent like Garnacho come through the academy again, when he’s not even one of the best 3 talents to come through the academy in the past 10-15 years.
 
duffer said:
I mean, our lows have been way lower in recent years up until the last 12 months but for now you are the stinky ones.
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You'll be shite again soon and we will be decent again. Then it'll swap, us and Chelsea almost never experience our stretches of being half decent at the same time. We always take it in turns.
 
Revisionist history with Januzaj. Exploded onto the scene then shat the bed. Garnacho has much more liklihood to succeed due to better mentality. Januzaj would give up after not beating his marker and shrink.
 
We are pathetic . We are destroying what we stood for as a football club for decades. Thanks ineos/Glazers.
 
bb8 said:
PSR heavily rewards youth development, and anyone who thinks otherwise is very confused.
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That isn’t really borne out by reality though is it? Look at those deals Villa, Chelsea and the like were doing in the summer to circumvent the rules.
 
Boycott said:
Januzaj's problem was if he was born a few years later instead of being made to come through and become a Ryan Giggs style winger he would have been able to come through as a number 10 playmaker.

United were very late into using a shape that used a playmaker in that role. We've used players like Rooney and Scholes as playing off the striker but they weren't having the license to roam and dictate play. Scholes was a second striker behind Van Nistelrooy scoring 20 goals in a season, Rooney loved hollywood balls from one wing to the other rather than through balls linking with the striker.

There was a real hype job of making Januzaj the new Giggs which was a big mistake.
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His real problem was him being massively overrated by everyone including himself.

He was found wanting once opponents sussed him out and realised all it took was a hard knock and he’ll mope around the entire game being useless.
 
JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo said:
Revisionist history with Januzaj. Exploded onto the scene then shat the bed. Garnacho has much more liklihood to succeed due to better mentality. Januzaj would give up after not beating his marker and shrink.
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Yeah he was shorter than Messi when van Gaal sold him
 
He will storm it at Chelsea to be fair if he goes there.

Would be classic man United if we sell him, and ditch Anthony and rashford and the replacement gets injured.
 
im just trying to keep in mind how id have felt had the club sold martial when mou supposedly wanted to. Most people were super against it, but in retrospect wouldve been a great choice. Hoping this is something similar. Feel like garnacho has stalled a bit with his overall play, which is to be expected with someone his age.
 
Why dont we just sell Sancho to Chelsea as he's already there on loan rather than sell Garnacho
 
I'm completely fine with a foreign club buying him but Chelsea can feck right off. You just know he'd score against us twice a season.
 
Adisa said:
Imagine selling Garnarcho to Chelsea. This is madness.
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Imagine selling him at all. Scored a goal in the FA Cup final. Only 20. Bags of talent. Just needs the right coach to take him in hand and get the best out of him. Selling our young academy lads who have made it to the first team is madness. Unless Garnacho is demanding a transfer. we need to be hanging on to him and Mainoo. A curse on the Glazer house for bringing us to this sorry state of affairs.
 
Adisa said:
Imagine selling Garnarcho to Chelsea. This is madness.
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Imagine not having enough forwards on your team to create and score goals, BUT then:
  1. Selling your CM/FW hybrid goalmachine (McT) for half their value so you can bolster your defense?!?
  2. Selling 2/3 best wingers to your rivals in consecutive seasons without replacing them (if Garnacho to Chelsea goes through)
  3. Selling another mediocre winger in Pellistri for some change (without replacement)
  4. Loaning out another forward in Antony
  5. Keeping your worst one (Rashford) because you aren't willing to go full Barcelona on him and aggressively kick them to the curb (but you're okay screwing over the rest of your staff/fans to recoup pennies).
So basically we have Amad as the only pure winger left on the team and then whatever you call a physically challenged Rashford (honestly is a net negative on the field cause can't really do anything a winger is supposed to do). And then we wonder why we can't score goals and win games... I have a crazy idea for our management, how about we have 4-5 wingers on the squad who can beat their man, score, cross? (and then rotate them so they can do that at a high level across all the levels of highly physical football we play/account for drop in form or injuries). I've heard most top clubs in European football do that. Might be worth a try?

Not saying this is an easy problem to solve financially, but if I picked a random fan off the street pretty sure they would have stumbled into a better situation than any of the decisions that have made over the last 3 years (don't know what we are calling the unqualified group of people making these decisions but collectively they are still kind of bad)
 
Footyislife said:
Imagine not having enough forwards on your team to create and score goals, BUT then:
  1. Selling your CM/FW hybrid goalmachine (McT) for half their value so you can bolster your defense?!?
  2. Selling 2/3 best wingers to your rivals in consecutive seasons without replacing them (if Garnacho to Chelsea goes through)
  3. Selling another mediocre winger in Pellistri for some change (without replacement)
  4. Loaning out another forward in Antony
  5. Keeping your worst one (Rashford) because you aren't willing to go full Barcelona on him and aggressively kick them to the curb (but you're okay screwing over the rest of your staff/fans to recoup pennies).
So basically we have Amad as the only pure winger left on the team and then whatever you call a physically challenged Rashford (honestly is a net negative on the field cause can't really do anything a winger is supposed to do). And then we wonder why we can't score goals and win games... I have a crazy idea for our management, how about we have 4-5 wingers on the squad who can beat their man, score, cross? (and then rotate them so they can do that at a high level across all the levels of highly physical football we play/account for drop in form or injuries). I've heard most top clubs in European football do that. Might be worth a try?

Not saying this is an easy problem to solve financially, but if I picked a random fan off the street pretty sure they would have stumbled into a better situation than any of the decisions that have made over the last 3 years (don't know what we are calling the unqualified group of people making these decisions but collectively they are still kind of bad)
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Unfortunately have to clear out the old before we can bring in the new, but as you address one of our biggest issues is having zero squad depth, Amorim does not have a plan B because we literally have 13 senior players
 
If someone sells Garnacho to Chelsea, INEOS can go and f*ck themselves. Worse owners than pure Glazers run club. Absolutely shambolic.
 
Moriarty said:
Imagine selling him at all. Scored a goal in the FA Cup final. Only 20. Bags of talent. Just needs the right coach to take him in hand and get the best out of him. Selling our young academy lads who have made it to the first team is madness. Unless Garnacho is demanding a transfer. we need to be hanging on to him and Mainoo. A curse on the Glazer house for bringing us to this sorry state of affairs.
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He could well be demanding a transfer or his behaviour demands a transfer, we just don't know and it's not in our interests to advertise it either.
 
Footyislife said:
Imagine not having enough forwards on your team to create and score goals, BUT then:
  1. Selling your CM/FW hybrid goalmachine (McT) for half their value so you can bolster your defense?!?
  2. Selling 2/3 best wingers to your rivals in consecutive seasons without replacing them (if Garnacho to Chelsea goes through)
  3. Selling another mediocre winger in Pellistri for some change (without replacement)
  4. Loaning out another forward in Antony
  5. Keeping your worst one (Rashford) because you aren't willing to go full Barcelona on him and aggressively kick them to the curb (but you're okay screwing over the rest of your staff/fans to recoup pennies).
So basically we have Amad as the only pure winger left on the team and then whatever you call a physically challenged Rashford (honestly is a net negative on the field cause can't really do anything a winger is supposed to do). And then we wonder why we can't score goals and win games... I have a crazy idea for our management, how about we have 4-5 wingers on the squad who can beat their man, score, cross? (and then rotate them so they can do that at a high level across all the levels of highly physical football we play/account for drop in form or injuries). I've heard most top clubs in European football do that. Might be worth a try?

Not saying this is an easy problem to solve financially, but if I picked a random fan off the street pretty sure they would have stumbled into a better situation than any of the decisions that have made over the last 3 years (don't know what we are calling the unqualified group of people making these decisions but collectively they are still kind of bad)
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We haven't achieved anything in the premier league and the CL with those personnel though.

Not saying we have made the right incoming decisions either, but we need change.
 
Moriarty said:
Imagine selling him at all. Scored a goal in the FA Cup final. Only 20. Bags of talent. Just needs the right coach to take him in hand and get the best out of him. Selling our young academy lads who have made it to the first team is madness. Unless Garnacho is demanding a transfer. we need to be hanging on to him and Mainoo. A curse on the Glazer house for bringing us to this sorry state of affairs.
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Agreed. It’s fecking upsetting that we’re even considering selling him. feck the Glazers for their financial crimes against the club.
 
Selling him to Chelsea would sting, even if the fee is good.

It's hard to say if it's the 'correct' decision, as we don't know if he'll live up to the hype. But even if it does prove to be the right decision, we're doing it for the wrong reasons.
 
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