Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

gulli_G said:
Januzaj was a better player but got too big for his boots and wanted a massive contract. Technically he had much better ability than Gernacho. But was a different type of attacker.
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Then he wasn't a better player, was he? He was better technically, but that is just one important attribute.
 
saik said:
Is it just me that thinks Januzaj been criminally underrated and Garnacho overrated? I'm yet to see Garnacho display that level of technical refinement, creativity and I'd even say dribbling(not trying to beat them with pace but with skill) in his game.

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Januzaj had intelligence in his game for someone so young, and great weight in his passes.
 
saik said:
Is it just me that thinks Januzaj been criminally underrated and Garnacho overrated? I'm yet to see Garnacho display that level of technical refinement, creativity and I'd even say dribbling(not trying to beat them with pace but with skill) in his game.

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Massively. Always felt the same. He didn’t live up to the early promise, though.
 
Rainy nights in Stoke said:
Can't remember Rashford winning a header in his career.

Talent is a nebulous concept in any case, it's really really hard to say which characteristics a player has that will determine whether he fails or succeeds. Rashford had a lot of good ingredients when he was breaking through, but I think Garnacho is a cut above him in terms of technical ability (ball-striking aside) even though he's also not in the top bracket. If he can develop the physical side and decision making to a good level, I think he can be a top, top player. These are both very coachable/trainable aspects of his game so I believe he's gonna have a good career if he finds the right set-up.
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Scored a thumping header versus Leeds. You must remember this

Ignore the crappy music

But yeah for a forward who’s got height, you should be able to head a ball
 
I don't really see it with Garnacho. I think his potential is hyped up a lot because he's generally been one of the bright sparks during a crap period.

He's fast but not that fast. He's not very strong or tall. He's an okay dribbler but not that good. He's not really shown any extraordinary vision or passing. His finishing is okay but not that good (Granted this is one area that can improve over time, the others not so much). The only area where I think he is really good is his movement. He has really good movement to get into scoring positions.

However, I just don't see the potential to become one of the best in the world there. I don't see what he's going to get really good at that elevates him to that level. In a young player, even though they're inexperienced, you can see things that they're really good at, like a young Ronaldo, who went in the right direction, or a young Martial, whose body broke down, and also areas where they're deficient and might stand to improve in, but I just don't see that when I watch Garnacho. Incidentally I have the same feeling when I watch Hojlund, that I don't see what's supposed to be so high potential about him.
 
gulli_G said:
Januzaj was a better player but got too big for his boots and wanted a massive contract. Technically he had much better ability than Gernacho. But was a different type of attacker.
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The poster I was responding too claimed Januzaj was more effective, which is clearly untrue.
 
I don't 'want' to sell Garnacho, and I will be disappointed if it happens. However, I also don't think he has the level of potential that makes him unsellable in the way that Amad and Mainoo have (there's rumours about Mainoo as well, which would be far more of a kick in the guts for me). If we get a good enough offer for Garnacho and those funds would then be funnelled back into the team, the responsible thing probably is to accept the bid.

In saying that, the latest rumours seem to be about £50m which I don't think is enough. £60m is about where I'd start thinking about it.
 
I honestly see some sort of swap deal with Chelsea being dialed up, that will give Ruben a 'system player' - I am guessing Nkunku or Felix - for Garnacho (and a bit of change going the other way if it is Nkunku.) These will likely be seperate deals so the youth FFP benefit gets fully felt.
 
golden_blunder said:
Scored a thumping header versus Leeds. You must remember this

Ignore the crappy music

But yeah for a forward who’s got height, you should be able to head a ball
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Yeah he got 3 of his 17 premier league goals in 22/23 with his head.

Eriksen got 3, Shaw and Dalot both got 2 assists from crosses that season

Bruno has 2 assists from crossses this season, 1 assist from a cross for Rashford, 1 from Amad, and 1 from Garnacho
 
Dave Smith said:
I honestly see some sort of swap deal with Chelsea being dialed up, that will give Ruben a 'system player' - I am guessing Nkunku or Felix - for Garnacho (and a bit of change going the other way if it is Nkunku.) These will likely be seperate deals so the youth FFP benefit gets fully felt.
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Swapping him for Felix would be terrible. He's never been at it in the premier league and this season he's Chelsea's 6th choice attacker

Nkunku + money would be a bit better. But taking him on loan with a buy obligation if he plays a certain amount would be better with any potential Garnacho sale done seperately all for cash.
 
Ekeke said:
Swapping him for Felix would be terrible. He's never been at it in the premier league and this season he's Chelsea's 6th choice attacker

Nkunku + money would be a bit better. But taking him on loan with a buy obligation if he plays a certain amount would be better with any potential Garnacho sale done seperately all for cash.
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I agree Felix would be a particularly bad deal. However, I think the reason Garnacho is being sold is entirely to do with FFP. I am not an expert on FFP, but if Utd sold Garnacho for £50m, that would give £50m on the books instantly.

Then if Nkunku came in for £60m and Dorgu for £35m over 5 seasons each, their transfer book value would be £12m and £7m respectively - I won't go into wages as too much guess work. So, that gives an extra £31m on the books in transfer fees. Isn't that the kind of thing exactly what Chelsea have been doing since the new owners have come in and Utd need to do to get some players in?
 
Dave Smith said:
I agree Felix would be a particularly bad deal. However, I think the reason Garnacho is being sold is entirely to do with FFP. I am not an expert on FFP, but if Utd sold Garnacho for £50m, that would give £50m on the books instantly.

Then if Nkunku came in for £60m and Dorgu for £35m over 5 seasons each, their transfer book value would be £12m and £7m respectively - I won't go into wages as too much guess work. So, that gives an extra £31m on the books in transfer fees. Isn't that the kind of thing exactly what Chelsea have been doing since the new owners have come in and Utd need to do to get some players in?
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I dont see it related to FFP as the club have made it clear Rashford is off
 
Ekeke said:
I dont see it related to FFP as the club have made it clear Rashford is off
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Not sure loaning Rashford will be enough. Sure his wages will come off - or a percentage of them. However, that won't facilitate signings unless there is more FFP space than I thought- not a FFP expert so correct me (or equally someone else can.)
 
Smores said:
Are you really trying to claim he's better than Ronaldo was at his age? This hysteria has gone way to far now.

Welbeck at a similar age was bagging in 9 PL goals for the season for us so why is that comparison wild? He was a similar level of talent for sure.
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Never claimed that at all,I'm just stating a fact that he's clearly shows hes lot better than some in here say he is.

I guarantee he's got far more G+A than welbeck at the same stage of his United career. Welbeck was highly rated but not as much as garnacho, let's not rewrite history.
 
Dave Smith said:
Not sure loaning Rashford will be enough. Sure his wages will come off - or a percentage of them. However, that won't facilitate signings unless there is more FFP space than I thought- not a FFP expert so correct me (or equally someone else can.)
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We'll sell him
 
Rossa said:
He had less output, at least as inconsistent, but he was more technical - on the other hand, he was slower, weaker, worse workrate, less intensity to his game etc. So overall, he was indeed not a better player.
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This is a correct summary of the comparison
 
Rossa said:
He had less output, at least as inconsistent, but he was more technical - on the other hand, he was slower, weaker, worse workrate, less intensity to his game etc. So overall, he was indeed not a better player.
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Agree to disagree. Januzaj was better, for me.
 
Dave Smith said:
Can't see anyone buying him in Jan.
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Will depend on the price and deal but I'd be very surprised if nobody wanted to sign him. I can see why clubs have gone for Garnacho first, but if made clear that hes not available I think we'll see clubs going for Rashford
 
Posh Red said:
Agree to disagree. Januzaj was better, for me.
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Better at what? If Garnacho leaves he'll most likely still be a success somewhere, he just has that drive.

Januzaj never had that, wish is why he's never really established himself anywhere and was just a bit part player at Sociedad. Doesn't matter how 'technically' good you are if you can never actually do anything on a football pitch
 
Crimson King said:
Better at what? If Garnacho leaves he'll most likely still be a success somewhere, he just has that drive.

Januzaj never had that, wish is why he's never really established himself anywhere and was just a bit part player at Sociedad. Doesn't matter how 'technically' good you are if you can never actually do anything on a football pitch
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A better player when he broke through at United, and during his spell in the first team. Whether Garnacho goes on to be better, I have no idea.

It’s my opinion. Not really sure how else to convey it.
 
I’d go as far to say that Garnacho had a better season last year than Januzaj ever had in his whole career? There was a time when Januzaj looked incredible, but to pretend that he was a better player at 20 because he probably had better control and definitely better passing is wild. There’s so much more that goes into being a footballer.

Don’t forget that we were shit under Moyes relative to what had gone on before but he still had players like Evra, Rooney, Van Persie, Giggs around him. Garnacho has had none of that.
 
youngrell said:
The fact that teams who are currently better than us are trying to sign Garnacho for circa 60m, while Januzaj got shipped to Real Sociedad for 8.5m should tell you that he wasn't.
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Says nothing about their relative ability and everything about how these prices are being quoted for Garnacho at something close to the height of his hype while Januzaj was sold three years later after a couple of poor loans.
 
V.O. said:
Says nothing about their relative ability and everything about how these prices are being quoted for Garnacho at something close to the height of his hype while Januzaj was sold three years later after a couple of poor loans.
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While I'm certainly of the opinion that Garnacho is better and will be even more better, didn't we get some silly offer from PSG for Januzaj?
 
Ekeke said:
Will depend on the price and deal but I'd be very surprised if nobody wanted to sign him. I can see why clubs have gone for Garnacho first, but if made clear that hes not available I think we'll see clubs going for Rashford
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It is his wages. £350k a week is £18.2m a year. Even someone signing him on a free for 3.5 years (cannot see him dropping his wages) would be on the hook for £63.7m. Absolute best thing that will happen with him is a loan with Utd contributing to his wage, he then tears it up and someone signs him full-time. No way does a team buy him at this point in time. He is just too expensive and the only clubs that can afford him, do not want him.
 
Heads should roll if we sell him to Chelsea.
It’s fecks up. Chelsea can sell hotels to navigate PSR but we have to sell our best young players?
 
Adisa said:
Heads should roll if we sell him to Chelsea.
It’s fecks up. Chelsea can sell hotels to navigate PSR but we have to sell our best young players?
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Heads should roll for even considering it. This is the final nail in the coffin for this club as a major player in football.
 
V.O. said:
Says nothing about their relative ability and everything about how these prices are being quoted for Garnacho at something close to the height of his hype while Januzaj was sold three years later after a couple of poor loans.
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Tells us their value in the market (and to United) after 3-4 seasons of first team football. Januzaj was a very talented young player who give us some excitement in an otherwise dark season, but he did not reach the level Garnacho has for us thus far.
 
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