If we're going to sell, I'd rather it be Napoli or At.Madrid
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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I am telling everyone one now, this is going to end up as some sort swap deal with Chelsea that maximises FFP. It literally has all the ingredients:
1) Garnacho is a 'pure profit' gain for Utd, which provides a lot more flexibility on the books.
2) A number of players that are surplus at Chelsea that would fit Ruben's system - Nkunku, Felix - not a massive fan of either.
3) The FFP profit on the books allows Utd a lot more flexibility to buy players like Gyorekes and Dorgu.
4) Chelsea keep doing this sort of thing because, let's face it, it works from an accounting perspective and it looks like Utd are going to have to start doing it if they want pieces for Ruben.
I know this can work with other teams as well - Napoli - but Chelsea will likely put a lot more money on the fee - say £60m+ - which then frees up more space - but of course you then have to take one of their players.
We will be paying plenty of his wages when he leaves. Thats what happens when you decide to freeze out and get rid of a player who is one of your top earners that you gave a big deal. We need to use him or sell him its that simple.
We also need to sell several other players from the squad. Selling Garnacho for £60 million would give us more funds to spend, but selling 3 or 4 other players from the squad would give some money, and selling Rashford would also give us money. We have a lot of players who are less likely to perform and get us points than Garnacho - even if hes playing in a role that doesnt completely suit him in the new formation. He's young enough to learn new things and improve certain areas and most importantly hes one of our main goalscorers and we lack them. Theres a reason Napoli and Chelsea want him for big money - even if its not high enough from our perspective.
Can we sell Gary Neville's hotel
Feels very weird man. Doesn't feel like we are Man Utd any longer at all.
Yep people put a very high weighting to technical ability. Garnacho’s drive alone will give him a better career over Januzai.
May as well, just do it when he is in Sky Sports duties.
I do not disagree with any of this. I just do not see a world where a team bails Utd out here or Rashford takes a massive pay cut to make it happen. If Utd pay him off, it goes on the books, which means signing anyone is impossible. Rashford is simply a dead weight at this point, the best thing that can realistically happen is a loan that offsets some of his wages and then he performs and finds a buyer in the Summer.
If we pay half his wages and sell him for whatever number £, thats half his wages off the books. Thats the only good outcome from freezing him out and transfering him out.
Personally I would have been playing him, though if someone wanted to buy him in the summer - perhaps because he hit form and scored some goals for us, then I'd listen. Because his wages are a big issue if he isnt in the team, scoring loads of goals. He does need to be sold if he isnt doing that. But I think the route to getting there would have been much better if he was on the pitch having the chance to score goals for us.
Paying him half his wages will require a £32m fee to cover the money owed. The other team would then need to offer him £175k a week, so he isn't out of pocket.
Who is doing that when they know Utd will do a loan with a percentage of wages covered if there ia no buyer?
Another winger though, and one that plays on the right too.
The right is all the rage right now.
United's whole identity is having home grown players in the first team and winning with them, kind of like Barcelona. This just feels like we are becoming Chelsea.
United don't own it so can't sell it. Absolutely ridiculous that United never thought of doing something like that and I'm sure it will actually be taking money away from United.
I think that strategy already started a couple of years ago. United sold 6 or 7 youth players during that period who would be at least solid squad players now and all of them have spent more years in the academy than Garnacho.
To be honest, I've been feeling this ever since we sold Welbeck, Evans and Rafael and bought Di Maria, Schweinsteiger and Falcao.
Ole brought back the old United feeling, for a while. Pity it didn't work out on the pitch.
Garnacho isn't really home grown. You bought him from Atletico Madrid.
I know he fits the official definition but nah, not for me. Not really.
Agree yes.
I understand that but I prefer a player like Garnacho (someone who we had a hand in developing) then someone we just bought ready made.
A club who wants him permanently obviously. 175k for Rashford is good and he would improve Arsenal or Newcastle's attack. Hes better than Sterling and Trossard, both over 30 as well. And hes better than Murphy
He was a 400k signing that we might be about to get 60m for. It's a rare massive win in the transfer market for us. And it's for a player who doesn't even get in our first 11.
Agreed. Needs to have been conceived and born within 20 miles of Salford Quays to meet my definition.
Yeah I agree with this. When we sign a player from another team and he plays a couple of years in the u18s and 21s I dont really consider him our youth product
I read that as Sancho then, and for some reason I believed we were entirely possible of doing it.
We became so shit at finding good right wingers that we just stopped playing wingers altogether.
Don't sell him to Chelsea!
I am still mystified why PSR encourages clubs to move on home grown players rather than the other way around. Surely clubs should be encouraged to nurture local talent and embed them in the first team squad rather than shuffle them out the door for profit?
It feels backwards and grim, doesn’t it? Encouraging clubs to become talent farms to just sell on, and us joining in on this malarkey. Makes me once again feel disconnected with the sport.
It doesn't though. Garnacho is extremely cheap from a PSR perspective. Far, far cheaper than trying to bring in a transfer of his caliber.
All you have to do is look at the price. We're paying him £3M or so a year, peanuts compared to most players. Yet he might cost £60M and £150k a week to another club.
PSR heavily rewards youth development, and anyone who thinks otherwise is very confused.
Not, it simply signals the symbolic death of the club apparently
This is a good way of putting it.
It encourages youth development, it just doesn't encourage profligate spending for years on end.
This. I can stomach selling him to Napoli, but not to Chelsea.
i’m just asking questions.Feck off, Rim.
We could swap him foŕ Barcola. Ratcliffe make it happen.
I think we need to look at the bigger picture. We are in this position because we've made such a mess with our recruitment strategy and contract renewals.
I hope that once we "reset" we will be in a much better position, but we have to go through this period and unfortunately sacrifices need to be made. I'd imagine that any focus on developing home grown talent can only be a good thing.
I will say it, Janujaz was technically a far more superior player, was a better dribblier, had a better shot and crossing ability. The only thing Garnacho is better at him is pace. Janujaz lacked mentality and thought he had made it and stopped improving, otherwise he had proper talent to be a great player.
Januzaj's problem was if he was born a few years later instead of being made to come through and become a Ryan Giggs style winger he would have been able to come through as a number 10 playmaker.
United were very late into using a shape that used a playmaker in that role. We've used players like Rooney and Scholes as playing off the striker but they weren't having the license to roam and dictate play. Scholes was a second striker behind Van Nistelrooy scoring 20 goals in a season, Rooney loved hollywood balls from one wing to the other rather than through balls linking with the striker.
There was a real hype job of making Januzaj the new Giggs which was a big mistake.
United were very late into using a shape that used a playmaker in that role. We've used players like Rooney and Scholes as playing off the striker but they weren't having the license to roam and dictate play. Scholes was a second striker behind Van Nistelrooy scoring 20 goals in a season, Rooney loved hollywood balls from one wing to the other rather than through balls linking with the striker.
There was a real hype job of making Januzaj the new Giggs which was a big mistake.
I just don't understand who we will have in attack for the rest of the season if Garnacho, Rashfod and Antony all leave?
I do not think we can count on bringing in anyone by the end of this window.
Why not sell him in the Summer and use the PSR influx then? Not sure what I am missing?
Hojlund, Zrikzee, Bruno and Diallo as options for up front? (no way we can count on Mount)
I do not think we can count on bringing in anyone by the end of this window.
Why not sell him in the Summer and use the PSR influx then? Not sure what I am missing?
Hojlund, Zrikzee, Bruno and Diallo as options for up front? (no way we can count on Mount)
Consider me very confused then!