Our situation chaned. We are in a deep shit and it does not look it will chane anytime soon. We are at the bottom of the table wich means less money next year.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
£65m should be the minimum.
Right, but we probably shouldn't also undersell the notion that selling Garnacho for 60m does significantly help Amorim afford 2, 3, or 4 excellent players that will suit his system.
Buying new players moves the needle for us more than keeping Garnacho.
It doesn't
Feeling disappointed he’s being sold. He’s so young who knows what position he could develop into. He’s clearly talented, has done it in the premier league and we’re selling him. Then will more than likely bring in a cheaper young player who’s not used to the league and will end up shit.
We shouldn’t have to be selling our best/ most promising players.
We shouldn’t have to be selling our best/ most promising players.
It does. It's been establish already, in multiple threads, by multiple people, posting multiple sources, citing that Garnacho's sale is pure profit due to his status as an academy player, and therefore, would permit us significantly increase spending potential (albeit amortised).
It doesn't, unless you're an accountant. PSR doesn't mean money grows on a tree.
Depends on the terms and payment structures, Impossible to say currently.
I get that I'm in a minority hating on the PSR accounting stick, but up to four quality additions? Come one. There is more than one report that we're actually lacking cash, not PSR headroom
Yeah and I totally understand this. The post said 2/3/4 additions.
We could do 2 I would say pretty easily with £50-60 Million in cash.
Do I think we will? No.
I think it will be 1 in 1 out.
Antony - Dorgu
Garnacho - ?
I'll take £60m.
Interestingly, Chelsea only bought Palmer for £42.5m from City.
Interestingly, Chelsea only bought Palmer for £42.5m from City.
Most of his value resides in his age and experience at high level. Not so much for talent. He is very promising and regular at all his functions. But talented is a bit of a stretch.
Palmer wasn't half the player for City he is now or Garnacho is
How many players of his generation have better stats than him at the highest level (in a shite team full of frustration)?
Actually don't know if it's that clear cut.
Palmer has absolutely flourished at Chelsea but half the player? Not sure about that. Palmer has and has always had really good technical ability, which I think Garna lacks.
It really doesn't. Sure, in a hypothetical scenario when we get his transfer fee upfront and we pay the money of other transfers in installments for 5 years, that would mean that we can use his money to buy players worth 5 times as much money as we got from him. But realistically, we will both get his money in installments and pay for the other players in installments. But even if we somehow get his money upfront, we would need to find 50m for those players each of the next 4 years.
This idea that seems to dominate Caf nowadays that selling academy players allows us to spend x5 times as much money works only for accounting purposes. That money still needs to come somehow and that is money we do not have. Sure, we can increase our debt, and buy players but that will make things only worse in the future. Or we could sell stock (Ratcliffe inject his own money and dilute Glazers) and then spend that money on transfers while being ok in books cause of selling Garnacho. But just selling Garnacho won't suddenly allow us to spend 250-300m pounds without getting that money somehow.
Maybe we need to figure out why this keeps happening then before selling a 20 year old.
Mainoo will be next.
How long can Amad keep up this form? Maybe we should just sell him before he becomes shit aswell and his value drops.
Yeah fair enough, but I don't think it's farfetched to say Garnacho has done more for us, is a better player and a more important player for us than Palmer was for City.
We are dead broke and desperate
I'm not suggesting that we will go out and spend £300 million with it. If you read the following post I made I said it was unlikely that we would and I think we would probably only buy one player.
Absolutely yeah, but that was probably due to him being quite low in the City packing order due their numerous other good players. Garnacho has stood out at time due to the rest of the team being quite poor at times.
Then why don't we just sell Mainoo, Garnacho and Rashford for £20m each?
Mainoo can’t be sold. With Rashford on his wage we are struggling to loan him. Will we actually get £20 million. No one in Europe can afford his crazy wage.
I’d not be happy either, but people say they’d be happy for Garnacho to be sold as he doesn’t have a role in this team but want Mainoo to stay no matter what. I’d say he equally doesn’t really have a role in this team and will be upgraded on if he can’t improve his stamina and athleticism.
Why can’t Mainoo be sold? I don’t want him to be but why not? He’s not pulling up,any trees this season.
Because he proved he is a great young player who can play at the highest level. He’s had some great games in the FA cup final, for England at the Euros and against Arsenal and Liverpool this month. I don’t want Gernacho sold, couldn’t care about Rashford, definitely under no circumstances want to see Mainoo go.
In PSR terms it does, in hard cash not so much
Insulting they'd pay more for Adeyemi, but more than welcome to from my side
Them being willing to pay more for Adeyemi should be a reality check on how he's rated in Europe for everyone demanding we ask for 80m+...
60m pounds would be a fair fee for him at this stage of his career
The market it's unpredictable, silly at times, in any case if United gets charged by 70 millions for players from Atalanta with less pedigree like Rasmus, they should at least try to get the same or more money.
Alvarez situation was a very different one. Also Julian it's a very diff player, a lot more intelligent since day one and with a tangible better attitude even at his 20. From his 20 to 22 he had three great seasons with River, that's not easy to achieve at all and playing with lots of maturity. So City really paid peanuts for him and sold him for really good money and from a position of Power to ask whatever they wanted (turns out they didn't quite replace him correctly and that hit them back, yet they did good bizzness anyway).
With Garnacho Man Utd shouls take advantage for being Man Utd and Garnacho leaving his flaws in his game and his attitude aside, has good numbers for his age, he still has some good press around him with the Golden Boy, the Puskas award, etc and like I've said above the Club must at least try to the very least try Rasmus money for him if they are willing to let him go.
Alvarez situation was a very different one. Also Julian it's a very diff player, a lot more intelligent since day one and with a tangible better attitude even at his 20. From his 20 to 22 he had three great seasons with River, that's not easy to achieve at all and playing with lots of maturity. So City really paid peanuts for him and sold him for really good money and from a position of Power to ask whatever they wanted (turns out they didn't quite replace him correctly and that hit them back, yet they did good bizzness anyway).
With Garnacho Man Utd shouls take advantage for being Man Utd and Garnacho leaving his flaws in his game and his attitude aside, has good numbers for his age, he still has some good press around him with the Golden Boy, the Puskas award, etc and like I've said above the Club must at least try to the very least try Rasmus money for him if they are willing to let him go.
I absolutely agree. I'd rather we keep Garnacho, but this is the situation we're in. The hope is his sell will indeed facilitate the purchase of better players or players more suited to Amorim approach. His exit won't bring forth the end of the world.
If we lose out on Europe next year and end up at the bottom half. Well soon our big commercial deals will start to shrink and then we are gonna be forced to sell more then Gsrnacho.
And then the one billion in debt…
And then the one billion in debt…
Why don’t we get Adeyemi? Sell Garnacho and buy Adeyemi for around the same money.
Because he's worse than Garnacho
Can't remember Rashford winning a header in his career.
Talent is a nebulous concept in any case, it's really really hard to say which characteristics a player has that will determine whether he fails or succeeds. Rashford had a lot of good ingredients when he was breaking through, but I think Garnacho is a cut above him in terms of technical ability (ball-striking aside) even though he's also not in the top bracket. If he can develop the physical side and decision making to a good level, I think he can be a top, top player. These are both very coachable/trainable aspects of his game so I believe he's gonna have a good career if he finds the right set-up.
would adeyemi’s sale be pure profit due to his status as an academy player, and therefore, would permit them to significantly increase their spending potential (albeit amortised)?
Screw you
He's not an academy player