It's more to do with financial reasons. That's the main reason for selling him.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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It's more to do with financial reasons. That's the main reason for selling him.
Remember De Jong?
This is the opposite of De Jong. Supposedly he never really entertained leaving and Barca were the ones trying to pressure and push him out.
Physical development from 15 to 18-19 is obviously different than the idea of Garnacho's physical profile drastically improving/changing from the age of 20 onwards regarding the usual traits that are considered valuable. You're right about Ronaldo and maybe I worded it wrongly, as most footballers do go through a bit of physical development from 18/19 until their mid-20s. Garnacho himself is different now than when he made his debut because he bulked up a bit.
But my point was that he's not suddenly going to develop exceptional running power or pace, like what Rashford and Hojlund possess from the United squad.
Also, I think Ronaldo in his first few years at United had much better pace, running power, and ball carrying ability than Garnacho does now.
We developed him though.
Exactly right. If we sell and tbh I hope that we don’t, it has to be a fee like the Alvarez one to make it justifiable. Some people are hugely underrating his talent in my opinion.
How much is arguable.
£70m is about right, Napoli should cough it up.
CIES values Garna at €100m+ which is about £85m, but since the club is desperate £70m as total with add-ons should be fair fee.
That's just my opinion before anyone jumps and says I'm not a football exec or whatnot
CIES values Garna at €100m+ which is about £85m, but since the club is desperate £70m as total with add-ons should be fair fee.
That's just my opinion before anyone jumps and says I'm not a football exec or whatnot
Nothing less than 75.
Would feel extremely short-sighted if we sold him on the cheap just to free up some PSR wiggle room for a couple of specific Amorim signings. Would indicate to me that we are repeating the exact same mistakes yet again, and that Amorim might not have been the right fit for our situation.
This is why I'm not bothered if he goes. I don't see him as a proper youth team player in the same way Manoo is a 'real' academy graduate.
You will be disappointed then.
We will get about £60 million (inc bonuses) and it will be good business and allow us to strengthen.
I feel we're making a mistake here. He's still young with tons of potential. I'd understand if we get an offer we can't refuse, but the money discussed won't get us anything better. Also can't this wait till the summer? It's very difficult finding a replacement in Jan as it is.
I don't believe Garnacho is dead set on staying, but the way it's been reported I can easily see similarities as in that it's United inviting interest and not him pushing for it
OK so if you are adamant we should keep them then who in that squad can raise some cash and I don't know mean pathetic loan deals. Getting tired of saying I don't want to sell him either, however thanks to the shitshow of previous regimes we have to sell assets and he's the only one we have.
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Want to have an actual discussion and you know actually discuss why you disagree with me rather than get all hysterical? I can point to games from this season alone where all those things were apparent to me. His poor finishing costed us in the Palace and West Ham(also gave away the ball for the first goal and just stood there) games, not to mention his open goal misses in Fulham game and the recent game where Hojlund set him up. But yea, you're right, he's displayed the ability to be a starter for a midtable club that finished 8th last season and are in 13th this season.
Using your same logic, why does no other clubs than Napoli and Chelsea are looking at him if he's this world beater talent? Arsenal need a backup for Saka and someone better than Martinelli or Trossard for the left wing. Spurs could do with someone who is a longterm replacement for Son or someone better than Brennan Johnson. PSG could have brought Garnacho for less than what they paid for Kvara. Plenty of other clubs who could do with a potential world beater 20-year old for £50m and none of them are interested, why?
I don't agree, with De Jong it never (from memory) got to the point where we openly met with his agent.
United have done their part to put him out there but he's done just as much to progress this IMO.
He’s a winger and very raw, as in he’s not a Saka level at the moment. Hes not a 10 or LWB and if we keep him for keeping hims sake, then that’s ridiculous. If we can do a Osimen swap, this is what we should be all over, imo.
We aren't in a position to demand higher prices sadly, have you seen where we are in the league
His sale does enable us to get 3 players, if his sale allows the club to get for example Dorgu, Gykores and some 25 year old midfielder to rotate with Mainoo we would be hugely better off.
Getting a LWB alone I doubt would be that much difference right now. People have been screaming about a LWB, does this player suddenly make it all tick? If this magical charging wing back is injured are we back to 14th. Sounds a bit like Martinez coming back will fix all our passing and creation problems, much like Onana coming in to allow us to play. I just worry we have less assists or goals but more running for our still dead attack
Garnacho does seem a bit hit and miss though, has a good impact but can give the ball away dangerously but made three good assists recently after a long spell being selfish under ETH and Amorim. I do think he can become a top winger attacker for us even with the right guidance but if he isn't one for playing LWB and Amorim is reluctant to use him then he has to be sold for his own sake.
Can we get a top left sided 10 because this Bruno Hojlund thing isn't working either. Is Garnacho a future left 10 we need?
Maybe our front 3 should include Garnacho with say Dorgu supporting as LWB instead of finding a spot for Bruno rather than this ill suited LWB we assume Garna to play if he stays. I can see Bruno carrying on playing well like Modric, rarely injured etc, he's been a super player but we seem to be stuck either playing a counter style or now shoehorning him into a front line and ends up breaking a better functioning 343.
Getting a LWB alone I doubt would be that much difference right now. People have been screaming about a LWB, does this player suddenly make it all tick? If this magical charging wing back is injured are we back to 14th. Sounds a bit like Martinez coming back will fix all our passing and creation problems, much like Onana coming in to allow us to play. I just worry we have less assists or goals but more running for our still dead attack
Garnacho does seem a bit hit and miss though, has a good impact but can give the ball away dangerously but made three good assists recently after a long spell being selfish under ETH and Amorim. I do think he can become a top winger attacker for us even with the right guidance but if he isn't one for playing LWB and Amorim is reluctant to use him then he has to be sold for his own sake.
Can we get a top left sided 10 because this Bruno Hojlund thing isn't working either. Is Garnacho a future left 10 we need?
Maybe our front 3 should include Garnacho with say Dorgu supporting as LWB instead of finding a spot for Bruno rather than this ill suited LWB we assume Garna to play if he stays. I can see Bruno carrying on playing well like Modric, rarely injured etc, he's been a super player but we seem to be stuck either playing a counter style or now shoehorning him into a front line and ends up breaking a better functioning 343.
Never stopped anyone from demanding silly money from us
Thank you for summing up many of the CAF's feelings, so to people who say plenty of others we could sell so who is that then?
We're broke as a joke and the club is desperate. We need to sell before we can bring anyone in. Garnacho is the sacrificial lamb. They're or were open to a good offer for Mainoo as well, which shows you the level of desperation
He stays
Only God knows?
I think it's a decent situation for us in all honesty. We are losing a player that is a squad option for ~£60 million which will help us strengthen the first XI massively in a few key areas.
He has some potential but not as much as some would have you believe. Not enough to not sell him.
He's already gone.
I think a lot of people had less issues with selling him if we could be sure of the bolded part. Dorgu doesn't exactly sound like it, even if he might only be the start
I agree that Rashford had a better starting point. His pace when breaking through was mentioned in the same breath as Mbappe. However, where is he now in terms of pace? Is he still faster than Garnacho? I'm not sure. Talent is many things, and physical talent is one of them - the traits you are born with. However, one does not become the fastest player or person in the world if one does not train harder than anyone else. Nobody is born the most technical player in the world. Some are more fortunate than others, but you can do a lot through dedication and training.
I think we forget how young Garnacho is - he's 20. People talk about us wanting to buy Dibling - nobody knows how that would turn out. Currently, Garnacho is most likely the better player.
I'm not sure if Garnacho is a future start, and I am also ambivalent to a sale. He's good and a bright prospect, but he isn't the finished article, and it is impossible to know how that trajectory works. Writing him off is premature, and we all know that people develop differently. With hard work and Ronaldo-esque dedication, he will improve his physical attributes quite significantly. He will most likely never reach Ronaldo levels, but very very few do. That should not count much against him. If he can get to a higher and better physical level as well as improve his decision making, which most do when they get older, and his technical ability, which is also quite common, then he will most likely improve further.
Wasn’t he voted as one of the top young players in football currently? Napoli should definitely improve their offer significantly if they want him.
I will admit this is my biggest worry, there's just not enough concrete links to a Cunha/Mbuemo/Dibling replacing him in this window. We are not in a position to wait until the summer if he is sold before window closes.
Time will tell once it becomes clear who we will target. Unlike others, I am choosing to be optimistic that the club will make some good decisions on recruitment going forward.
It’s irrelevant though, if the clubs know more than us and can see how good (or not) they will be, then it changes everything. Palmer was showing good stuff for City but was behind a very good set of attackers who were playing very well. You could see his technical level already in the 20 or so games he featured in. By your logic Garnacho is probably better than any 18 year old in world football, but do you honestly think scouts and football experts really see it that way? I mean, some posters are saying he’s better at this age than Ronaldo. I can say without doubt I had far more hope for that inconsistent 18 year old Ronaldo than I do for Garnacho.
The problem for Garnacho is we’ve seen him play loads of games, we’ve seen his development, his issues, his strengths. That’s why many have gone from being excited about him (when he was just starting out) to now having less confidence that he’ll be top level. I’m pretty certain he’ll never be a top level player who leads teams to titles in the PL or even La Liga. He’ll be lucky to reach the level of players like Gordon at Newcastle, in my opinion. Let alone the truly top level players.
I said it was his biggest flaw, not his only one. Finishing can certainly be improved with repetition from regular positions he finds himself in, and he can of course improve physically (very likely given his age). The praise for his workrate is for going forward, where he can be relentless, for sure he can work on the defensive workrate to improve that. I believe some of that is down to immaturity, too.
I was going to say the same thing, everything points to a £70min price tag. If we sell for less we haven’t learnt anything.
If we do sell him and we get in these 2 or 3 magical players then we better see better performances and results straight away. Everyone is saying is need a LWB and additional 10, so I expect we have these lined up which will make us competitive again.
I think above all, he is one of our best players currently - and it's always sad to see your best players leave. But, if it's to the betterment of the team, then it is what it is. We've lost huge talents before and in hindsight it was a huge win.
The money being floated around is very decent - especially if we can add in some sort of sell-on clause as well.
The money being floated around is very decent - especially if we can add in some sort of sell-on clause as well.
Unfortunately people knew we had plonkers like that Toy Story puppet who was willing to pay big money
Fair enough. Agree that he's relentless which I'd say is one of his better qualities aside from his movement.
SAF also used to rave over Jonathan Greening. Can’t be right all the time. To say Januzaj has more in his locker than Garnacho is a bit far for me.