Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Remember the geese said:
Because the player wants out. He has doubts over his fit in an Amorim system. We aren't shopping him about. We would prefer not to sell. However, it's the wish of the player.
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Does he? I've not seen much of that narrative. Yes, he's been a bit upset at being dropped but not seen him pushing to leave.
 
Hammondo said:
In what way is he better? I would argue that the vast majority would say he's not close.
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What did Alvarez do at City? Couldn’t get any regular runs in the team. Scored at a decent rate but in the best team in the country. Garnacho has done far more and is younger.
 
Remember the geese said:
Because the player wants out. He has doubts over his fit in an Amorim system. We aren't shopping him about. We would prefer not to sell. However, it's the wish of the player.
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You've made that up. He hasn't requested to leave.
 
Ekeke said:
Garnacho has pace and more end product. Quite a different player and Januzaj's lack of end product is why he never made it at a top club
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More pace than Januzaj sure, but his pace is nothing to write home about. Just as a comparison, young Rashford had blistering pace. And I'd say Garnacho's end product is due to his movement when hitting teams on the counter and nothing else.

The way people go on about him being a tier below Ronaldo or Messi or even on Nani's level, I just don't see it. He just doesn't have the technical ability for that to happen. He isn't even physically gifted with raw pace like Rashford or Robben neither is he physically strong. Garnacho is about a solid midtable winger for me with no standout qualities.
 
saik said:
More pace than Januzaj sure, but his pace is nothing to write home about. Just as a comparison, young Rashford had blistering pace. And I'd say Garnacho's end product is due to his movement when hitting teams on the counter and nothing else.

The way people go on about him being a tier below Ronaldo or Messi or even on Nani's level, I just don't see it. He just doesn't have the technical ability for that to happen. He isn't even physically gifted with raw pace like Rashford or Robben neither is he physically strong. Garnacho is about a solid midtable winger for me with no standout qualities.
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I fully agree. Would also think he is physically not fully suited for Premier league.
 
JJ12 said:
I hope it's just you
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So you think Garnacho has displayed dribbling with skill, playing passes through the lines, better game intelligence of knowing when to take a shot and when to pass?
 
Remember the geese said:
I have. Some of you might not want to believe what I've said (for whatever reason), but it's true.
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If it were true I'd have no issue with it. It's incorrect, though.

We briefed the media that we would be open to selling Garnacho and Mainoo if a substantial offer comes in at the beginning of the window.

Interest has been shown, clearly.
 
saik said:
More pace than Januzaj sure, but his pace is nothing to write home about. Just as a comparison, young Rashford had blistering pace. And I'd say Garnacho's end product is due to his movement when hitting teams on the counter and nothing else.

The way people go on about him being a tier below Ronaldo or Messi or even on Nani's level, I just don't see it. He just doesn't have the technical ability for that to happen. He isn't even physically gifted with raw pace like Rashford or Robben neither is he physically strong. Garnacho is about a solid midtable winger for me with no standout qualities.
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Well yes Garnacho is like Rashford, only his finishing is better especially with his left foot and hes not as fast. He's scored goals at a good rate for a 19 year old last season, thats mostly it
 
Chairman Steve said:
A danger of keeping hold of him just the sake of the United ethos is we’re repeating the mistakes of the past decade where we’re essentially telling managers to just ‘make it work because they’re talented’ and put squares in round holes.

If the management structure of Amorim, Wilcox and Berrada have all decided that Garnacho represents a good sale value because he’s incompatible or they think he’s reached his ceiling or they’ve found his ceiling isn’t actually that high (or all the above), then they should do the sale now.

A possible alternative is we’re stuck with another Rashford situation where you’ve got someone on a mega wage and a long contract, who has stagnated stats wise, not really lived up to the initial potential and maybe realise that their ceiling wasn’t actually that high anyway
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It's fair to sell him but only if we receive a figure that justifies doing so. If we sell him around the £50m mark during the season, that would represent poor business. We've paid some obscene fees for worse players than Garnacho in the last few years and continue to be charged a premium for our current targets, even a small team like Lecce want €40m for Dorgu.

Garnacho is one of our few saleable assets so if we are going to do it, we have to make sure we get it right. We also have to make sure we can use the proceeds towards at least 2 or 3 new players for the sale to count as a net positive towards the team.
 
RedSky said:
I'd say that Garnacho could blossom into a fantastic player in the right system and setup. I just don't see that being here. He has too many flaws in his game to be a top standout talent.

I also think it's perfectly fine to sell youth players for top money. We do have a tendency of keeping players for too long and then their valuation stagnates.

Plenty of other clubs sell their youth players and the world keeps revolving. If it allows the club to do some deals this January then it's probably the right call.
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Spot on!
 
JJ12 said:
If it were true I'd have no issue with it. It's incorrect, though.

We briefed the media that we would be open to selling Garnacho and Mainoo if a substantial offer comes in at the beginning of the window.

Interest has been shown, clearly.
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Interest is there because Garnacho isn't happy. He knows that he can't exist in Amorim's system and wants out. It isn't a coincidence. Where are all these bids for Mainoo? There aren't any. Why? Because the player doesn't want to leave.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
What did Alvarez do at City? Couldn’t get any regular runs in the team. Scored at a decent rate but in the best team in the country. Garnacho has done far more and is younger.
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Firstly, Alvarez has scored more goals than Garnacho in every season, including this season with Athletico.

Alvarez has won a treble and a WC...
 
romufc said:
Firstly, Alvarez has scored more goals than Garnacho in every season, including this season with Athletico.

Alvarez has won a treble and a WC...
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As a squad player in both teams… but you’re missing the point and tbh who can be arsed.
 
romufc said:
Firstly, Alvarez has scored more goals than Garnacho in every season, including this season with Athletico.

Alvarez has won a treble and a WC...
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I actually think Garnacho is more technically gifted than Alvarez (saying something)

Although Alvarez had elite mentality, workrate etc which totally sets him apart from a player like Garnacho.
 
saik said:
More pace than Januzaj sure, but his pace is nothing to write home about. Just as a comparison, young Rashford had blistering pace. And I'd say Garnacho's end product is due to his movement when hitting teams on the counter and nothing else.

The way people go on about him being a tier below Ronaldo or Messi or even on Nani's level, I just don't see it. He just doesn't have the technical ability for that to happen. He isn't even physically gifted with raw pace like Rashford or Robben neither is he physically strong. Garnacho is about a solid midtable winger for me with no standout qualities.
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I agree, although midtable sounds a bit harsh as Garnacho's definitely good enough to play at least in a squad role for a top 6 team...but yeah, I just don't see how he's going to become even just one of the best wingers in the Premier League, let alone something greater than that.
 
youngrell said:
I would say his biggest flaw atm is his decision making, which is quite common in young players and is very possible to improve in the near future. I can certainly see the argument for selling him at a good price as we are clearly desperate for funds, I just don't agree with those massively playing down his ability or potential. I also think it will be a shame to lose a young talent because of poor management.
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Decision making is not the only flaw he has. His passing is weak, he can't dribble from a standpoint, his finishing is weak, physically weak as well. His much praised workrate isnt that great either. You only need to look at his effort when he gave away the ball for West Ham's first goal or the instance where Casemiro gave him a bollocking against Chelsea to see what I'm talking about.

Now things like decision making and workrate can improve but the other things I don't see getting much better.
 
C/P:

No player under 21 has recorded more goals or goal contributions than Garnacho since the 2022/23 season. At just 20 years old, he’s already a Puskás Award winner, earned 8 caps for Argentina, won the Copa América, FA Cup, and League Cup, and is regarded as a massive prospect for the future being ranked in the top 5 players under 21 in the world.

Scored in the final of FA Cup and Community shield vs Man City.

All this at the age of 20. If we sell him for only 50 million then I don't know what to say anymore.
 
Remember the geese said:
Interest is there because Garnacho isn't happy. He knows that he can't exist in Amorim's system and wants out. It isn't a coincidence. Where are all these bids for Mainoo? There aren't any. Why? Because the player doesn't want to leave.
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That's your opinion, nothing else.
 
Ekeke said:
Well yes Garnacho is like Rashford, only his finishing is better especially with his left foot and hes not as fast. He's scored goals at a good rate for a 19 year old last season, thats mostly it
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Agree that Garnacho has better weaker foot.

And I'd say Rashford was more talented when he broke through. He was actually physically gifted with pace and had a decent frame which meant he could win headers and hold up the ball under pressure. Also had better ball striking ability on his stronger foot.
 
Rojofiam said:
Let's be honest, his apparently incredibly impressive G/A this season is boosted by those dead rubber Carabao games vs Barnsley and Leicester.

If you take those 3 goals and 3 assists out from those 2 games, his numbers sort of revert to a similar rate of his previous 2 seasons' numbers. A goal and assist here and there, but he's definitely not had exceptional numbers in any of his 2 and a half seasons so far at United...which is totally fine, especially for a developing kid like him at this stage of his career.

Like many of you have said, he's young, plays in a shit team, and he does have room to grow as a footballer, but that's the part where I just completely disagree with all those takes that he can become a world beater. He's good at most things not really outstanding at anything.

What's going to change? Acceleration, top speed, running power, creativity, ball striking, passing range, etc. the most valuable traits cannot really be developed that much. You either possess them at an exceptional level, or you simply don't.

Also, the physical profiling of any player, even young ones, can tell you a lot about their career trajectory. Mbappé wouldn't be as good as he is without his frightening pace. Rashford wouldn't have been able to be a top Premier League player for many years at United, without his pace, power, ball striking, and ball carrying ability either.

When a player seemingly goes from zero to hero, and his career skyrockets because he becomes a world class player seemingly suddenly out of nothing, that's usually because they were very raw at an early age and their game needed a lot of refining by coaching and gaining experience by a lot of game time. I'd argue Hojlund is definitely that kind of player in our squad. Yoro might be too, based on nothing but the Southampton game tbf...whereas the likes of Mainoo or Garnacho were surprisingly good and relatively consistent almost straightaway, because they had a good base level that allowed them to be able to contribute at first team level immediately after getting promoted from the academy...but that doesn't mean that every single one of them will keep developing in a linear way.
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Some of what you write about being able to refine or drastically improve in physical attributes is plain wrong. Ajer said in an interview he was the slowest player at his club when he was 15, slow at 18-19 and a couple of seasons ago clocked the highest top speed of centre backs in the PL. he wasn’t talented but worked his socks off every day in training.

Ronaldo improved his pace tremendously from 18-25 as well as his strength, core strength, balance and the ability to stop faster than defenders, providing room.

That you don’t think a 20 year old can quite drastically improve physically is just wrong. Some are not even done growing before they turn 20.
 
Berbaclass said:
If Garnacho didn't want to leave then he wouldn't entertain the interest and it would go nowhere but here we are.
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Nope. The poster said he has requested to leave because he is unhappy - which isn't what has happened.

We briefed the media that we would entertain bids for him and Mainoo. So now he's listening to Napoli and Chelsea who have shown interest - so is he open to leaving knowing all this? Sure.
 
saik said:
Decision making is not the only flaw he has. His passing is weak, he can't dribble from a standpoint, his finishing is weak, physically weak as well. His much praised workrate isnt that great either. You only need to look at his effort when he gave away the ball for West Ham's first goal or the instance where Casemiro gave him a bollocking against Chelsea to see what I'm talking about.

Now things like decision making and workrate can improve but the other things I don't see getting much better.
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fecking hell.

He's just terrible. That's me convinced.

I was almost starting to think there is something there. You know judging by the stats which stack up very well to any player his age in any era, which he achieved while playing for a dysfunctional midtable team. I was also watching with my own eyes a player that was the only one to provide any spark, any injection of pace and hope, in a miserable side last year. The fact that Napoli and Chelsea want to pay 50m+ for him also was wrongly making me believe he must be a bit good.

But no, you've convinced me. I don't want a weak and slow player, who can't finish, makes the wrong decisions, has mediocre workrate and is physically weak. I trust we will take the 50m we get and find someone so much better
 
Rojofiam said:
I agree, although midtable sounds a bit harsh as Garnacho's definitely good enough to play at least in a squad role for a top 6 team...but yeah, I just don't see how he's going to become even just one of the best wingers in the Premier League, let alone something greater than that.
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I don't see him as a regular starter for a top club and hence mentioned midtable but you're right it's probably a bit harsh.

I was thinking of someone like Depay but you're comparison with Trossard seems apt. Can be a decent squad player for top clubs nothing more than that.
 
In my view, it is still too soon to say who does or does not fit in Amorim's system - he's only been here a couple of months and has barely had any time on the training pitch. If we plan on shipping out anyone who hasn't looked great in the new 3-4-2-1, then we'd need to basically sell the entire squad bar Amad and Maguire.

Garnacho is only 20 - he's barely begun his career - with a another six months to adapt to the new system and a proper pre-season with Amorim, I'd expect Garnacho (and indeed many other underperforming members of the squad) to drastically improve. I think that, given the requisite coaching, he could be moulded into a very useful player in Amorim's front three.
 
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