Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

pocco said:
Like I just said in another thread, this could be a reverse of the De Bruyne situation where he didn't get a chance at Chelsea and they now get mocked for letting him go. The word is that City coaches rate him higher than Foden! He looks like he has the lot too, he just needs to put it together.
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@hellhunter just for you. This was from whilst he was still at City.
 
Paul778 said:
Surely there are also some of those 20 year olds who don't meet their potential also. That's why it's potential.
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Of course, that’s the educated gamble you have to take. My point was there’s no use in comparing him to a 32 yo Salah, 24 yo Saka etc, they were performing at a similar or lower level at 20 than Garnacho is currently.
 
If we sell Garnacho to a club abroad for £75m I’ll be annoyed at the situation, but understanding that it’s a good fee for a promising player who probably doesn’t have a role here.

For Chelsea or another PL club it should be £100m.

If we sell him to anyone for £50m I’ll be furious.

We get charged £70m for totally unproven talents from Atalanta and Ajax. This is a lad who has shown real quality in the Premier League and finished top 3 in the Golden Boy index. We need to get serious about the fees we expect if we ever want to be taken seriously.

If nobody wants to pay it then grand - we get to keep one of the most promising talents around. There are other players to sell.
 
pocco said:
It was very well known how talented he was. City believed he was better than Foden.
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No doubt they knew he was a talent but they couldn’t have imagined he’d quickly become one of the best players in the PL. They aren’t selling that type of player for 40m to a pl rival, at the time people were saying they’ve done well to get 40m

I mean your logic is that you can sign Palmer level players for 40m and that’s just not true that money doesn’t usually equal world class ability
 
Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
Why do Chelsea need him? They have Felix, Neto, Sancho, Mudryk, Madueke, Nkunku, Palmer, and Jackson. 8 players for the front four and I’m probably missing some promising youngsters which they always seem to have.

We have Garnacho, Bruno, Amad, Hojlund, Zirkzee, and Mount. 6 attackers for 3 positions. Mount barely counts, Bruno has to play in midfield frequently where we lack depth, and we’re about to sell Garnacho. Antony is gone and Rashford is out of the picture.

We should be adding to our attack, not subtracting. If we do sell Garnacho, we need to replace him immediately with a starter (Cunha, Osimhen, etc…) and a cheap option for the bench (e.g. Jonathan David).

We have a threadbare squad after spending fortunes. Miserable.
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Chelsea are actively looking to sell Nkunku this window, and no doubt will have at least one of Felix and Mudryk in the shop window come the summer, so its not inconceivable that he would have a very obvious place in their side.

What is annoying me though is seeing Chelsea quoting £70M for Nkunku!! Whereas we have Napoli low balling us at £42m for Garnacho.

Unless Napoli get to something like £50M + £10M this window, we should tell them to politely feck off (politely as we may need to offload some more deadwood on them at some point) and wait for Chelsea or someone like Athletico Madrid to enter the chat.
 
diarm said:
If we sell Garnacho to a club abroad for £75m I’ll be annoyed at the situation, but understanding that it’s a good fee for a promising player who probably doesn’t have a role here.

For Chelsea or another PL club it should be £100m.

If we sell him to anyone for £50m I’ll be furious.

We get charged £70m for totally unproven talents from Atalanta and Ajax. This is a lad who has shown real quality in the Premier League and finished top 3 in the Golden Boy index. We need to get serious about the fees we expect if we ever want to be taken seriously.

If nobody wants to pay it then grand - we get to keep one of the most promising talents around. There are other players to sell.
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You seemingly want to sell Garnacho. Atalanta and Ajax didn't really want to sell their players to you which is why you ended up paying a lot. That's the difference.
 
Really uncomfortable with this. For the prices quoted it feels incredibly stupid.

You can compare him to the Kvara price but the PL is easily the hardest in the world and he's proven he can hack it here at just 20 years old. Obviously he has loads to work on but he's one of the most highly rated youngsters around.
 
Castia said:
No doubt they knew he was a talent but they couldn’t have imagined he’d quickly become one of the best players in the PL. They aren’t selling that type of player for 40m to a pl rival, at the time people were saying they’ve done well to get 40m

I mean your logic is that you can sign Palmer level players for 40m and that’s just not true that money doesn’t usually equal world class ability
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But if both clubs knew his talent and agreed on £40m…and it’s not like he wasn’t playing first team football at City as they had been playing him more and more.

Just because not everyone on RedCafe knew, that doesn’t mean it’s not true. I’d heard how highly they rate him and, lo and behold, he goes on to be one of the best in the league. Clearly what I’d heard was true. Let’s look at it the other way, do you think City didn’t realise how good he was when you see what he was doing in the PL as soon as he moved?
 
I'd be really concerned about what this sale would say about the culture of our club in the future

Unless he's kicking off and trying to force the issue (which I don't think is the case) it goes against what I consider a pretty important historical ethos at our club with regards to it's academy products.
 
duffer said:
You seemingly want to sell Garnacho. Atalanta and Ajax didn't really want to sell their players to you which is why you ended up paying a lot. That's the difference.
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My point is that we shouldn’t want to sell him. United is not a club that sells top young talent. We never have been.

If the coach feels he isn’t the best fit for this style, and we get a massive offer, then so be it. But selling a huge talent for far less than it would cost us to sign him, because previous mismanagement means we need to raise funds is not the answer - it just propagates the perception of the club as a soft touch and a running joke in the transfer market.

If nobody wants to pay what he’s worth then keep him. There’s enough talent there to develop him into a role that suits the team.
 
Red_Aaron said:
I'd be really concerned about what this sale would say about the culture of our club in the future

Unless he's kicking off and trying to force the issue (which I don't think is the case) it goes against what I consider a pretty important historical ethos at our club with regards to it's academy products.
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Right now, the club needs what works for NOW. We need players to come in and need to sell to enable that. Sometimes you have to make these decisions. We have to back Ruben, simple as that. We've been here before, saying, "don't sell, we can't sell" but keep them for too long, extend contracts then they become unsellable then you guys blame the club for not being able to sell. Ruben needs players to execute his system, Garnacho isn't suited no matter how we spin it. If we don't back the manager with what he needs then he's gonna fail and we will be in for another manager soon, rinse and repeat. For once let's choose the manager over the players. Choosing the players is what led to Shaw still being depended on, Maguire, Rashford, etc
 
diarm said:
If we sell Garnacho to a club abroad for £75m I’ll be annoyed at the situation, but understanding that it’s a good fee for a promising player who probably doesn’t have a role here.

For Chelsea or another PL club it should be £100m.

If we sell him to anyone for £50m I’ll be furious.

We get charged £70m for totally unproven talents from Atalanta and Ajax. This is a lad who has shown real quality in the Premier League and finished top 3 in the Golden Boy index. We need to get serious about the fees we expect if we ever want to be taken seriously.

If nobody wants to pay it then grand - we get to keep one of the most promising talents around. There are other players to sell.
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It's one of those things, £50m looks low at this point but 2-3 years down the line we are probably selling him somewhere for less than £20m and regretting that we hadn't pulled the plug earlier. 10 years back people were touting Januzaj as a £60m+ player (probably north of £100m in today's money) and were certain he was going to win multiple Ballon d'Ors.
 
I do not want him sold, but I am not convinced about him either.
I see him being somewhere between Janusaj and Rashford in terms of potential.
Also the fact that he does not "suit" Amorim's system doesn't convince me either. Which current player in the squad suits his system? Amad and maybe Ugarte.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Interesting that people are so convinced a 20 year old cannot fit Amorim's system so should be sold. It's impossible for people to learn is it? Especially a young player.
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You are talking about the same group that is already fickle and wanting Amorim to change back to a back-four. No doubt, every player can learn a lot and Garnacho could as well, but do we have the time for that? It is a bit as with McTominay and Maguire, people complain about them but the moment they are about to leave, the same people will jump reminding everybody how useful they could be "because that one time"... Garnacho is a very talented player and those get sold all the time. He doesn't seem to be what we need right now, which was a bit of a expectation when Amorim was appointed anyway. I think his talent is a tad overstated in here, which is understandable, given that we are fans of the club he is playing for right now. And undenieably he already created a few great moments.
 
This one's going to hurt but it's probably best for the club and player, is what I'm trying to convince myself.

Still, no player is bigger than the club.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
I do not want him sold, but I am not convinced about him either.
I see him being somewhere between Janusaj and Rashford in terms of potential.
Also the fact that he does not "suit" Amorim's system doesn't convince me either. Which current player in the squad suits his system? Amad and maybe Ugarte.
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His ceiling is higher than rashfords and probably only a tier or two below Ronaldo and messi imo. People forget he's only 20 years old because the amount of football that he's played.

He doesn't fit amorims style at all though, unless you experiment with him up top.
 
diarm said:
If we sell Garnacho to a club abroad for £75m I’ll be annoyed at the situation, but understanding that it’s a good fee for a promising player who probably doesn’t have a role here.

For Chelsea or another PL club it should be £100m.

If we sell him to anyone for £50m I’ll be furious.

We get charged £70m for totally unproven talents from Atalanta and Ajax. This is a lad who has shown real quality in the Premier League and finished top 3 in the Golden Boy index. We need to get serious about the fees we expect if we ever want to be taken seriously.

If nobody wants to pay it then grand - we get to keep one of the most promising talents around. There are other players to sell.
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That’s because United were the only club willing to pay such ridiculous fees. Ajax and Atlanta couldn’t believe their luck.
 
Only concerns I have about this is that the price is too low, and that he is one of the very few players in this squad that does tend to provide some goals and assists.
 
Xire01 said:
Its looking like we are forced to sell him due to needing to meet PSR demands - We do not physically want to sell him but its looking like we have no choice.
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This is highly questionable, reading around a bit. Lot of people make it sound as if we don't have to sell for PSR reasons.
 
Kostov said:
Some united fans deserve for the club to lose Garnacho for peanuts for the sole purpose of defending the club’s stupid spendings. Chickens have come home to roost fellas. This is how it looks like when, “it’s not your money they spend” logic.
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To make it worse, we now have a plethora of accountants here
 
SalfordRed18 said:
His ceiling is higher than rashfords and probably only a tier or two below Ronaldo and messi imo. People forget he's only 20 years old because the amount of football that he's played.

He doesn't fit amorims style at all though, unless you experiment with him up top.
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A tier or two bellow Ronaldo and Messi I think about Bale, Robben, Ribery, Salah, Hazard bracket. It's a little optimistic I'd say.
 
AjaxCunian said:
This, some say he has no qualities but he is actually very mature and productive for his age. He obviously wants to model after Ronaldo, the Real Madrid version. So he makes good runs, always wants to play off the shoulder of defenders, is very alert in counter attacks/transitions, he actually has very good low crossing/cutbacks and can curl it in the far corner. He will become a very productive winger in the right set-up.
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These qualities will serve him in carving a career in a top league, nothing more than that. They don't indicate he's an elite talent. He doesn't play like a mature player at all and that's ok at his age and his productivity has been exaggerated.

Trying to base his game as a winger after old Ronaldo isn't a good thing, we saw that already with Rashford. Ronaldo had certain physical characteristics that can't be replicated and was also working from a much higher talent base. It's most likely not going to work for anyone else in the long run.
 
Red_Aaron said:
I'd be really concerned about what this sale would say about the culture of our club in the future

Unless he's kicking off and trying to force the issue (which I don't think is the case) it goes against what I consider a pretty important historical ethos at our club with regards to it's academy products.
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Agreed. It’s a disgrace

Look at his reaction compared to Rashford.

Straight back in the team and working hard. He’s 20 years old ffs.

Honestly if we sell him, especially for a low price, I think my apathy towards this club will hit an all time high. It’s just a disgrace that we’re looking to sell someone so young, talented and courageous - he absolutely is a Utd calibre player
 
NZT-One said:
You are talking about the same group that is already fickle and wanting Amorim to change back to a back-four. No doubt, every player can learn a lot and Garnacho could as well, but do we have the time for that? It is a bit as with McTominay and Maguire, people complain about them but the moment they are about to leave, the same people will jump reminding everybody how useful they could be "because that one time"... Garnacho is a very talented player and those get sold all the time. He doesn't seem to be what we need right now, which was a bit of a expectation when Amorim was appointed anyway. I think his talent is a tad overstated in here, which is understandable, given that we are fans of the club he is playing for right now. And undenieably he already created a few great moments.
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It's not a question of whether we have the time, it's forced on us. The whole squad cannot master this system and therefore must learn. Some won't learn, and they should rightly be sold. We have seen that Amorim has played Garnacho a handful of times so I do not think he thinks like some in here, that he can't do it. The reason we will sell him to me is probably down to the financial side, which is a huge shame.

There's a question of his attitude too, if he's a bad egg he also should go, but we don't know for sure what happens behind closed doors.
 
devilsadvoca8 said:
Right now, the club needs what works for NOW. We need players to come in and need to sell to enable that. Sometimes you have to make these decisions. We have to back Ruben, simple as that. We've been here before, saying, "don't sell, we can't sell" but keep them for too long, extend contracts then they become unsellable then you guys blame the club for not being able to sell. Ruben needs players to execute his system, Garnacho isn't suited no matter how we spin it. If we don't back the manager with what he needs then he's gonna fail and we will be in for another manager soon, rinse and repeat. For once let's choose the manager over the players. Choosing the players is what led to Shaw still being depended on, Maguire, Rashford, etc
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I'm not denying it may very well make business sense for the here and now

I'm saying that for the new leadership to be willingly eroding important cultural aspects of the very fabric of our club, cultures that have defined our club since Munich is worrying to me as a fan because they should be more important than buying the latest manager a couple of wingbacks

Garna is 20 years old with the world at his feet, we should be moulding him in our image not hawking him to the highest bidder imvho
 
I hope we don't end up selling him. Seems wrong to be selling talented youngsters who have been here a while. He hasn't had the best season, but i still think he can develop into something special.
 
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