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Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
If you read the Chelsea forum about the link to him non of them want him.
For a decent fee, it's really not a big deal. He isn't going to fit into any of the roles in our system. He can only play one position, and it's one we don't have.
Whenever we’re selling someone that isn’t 30+. We could have sold every player in the last 10 years and literally none of them would have been a regret. Chelsea sold Salah and KDB and now we’re not allowed to sell anyone ‘just in case’.
We’ve got no one on our books with their ability and never have done.
Why would they? He’s over priced and not that good, plus we’ve already sold them one below average winger.
They already have a ton of wingers and he'll be overpriced and unhappy when he doesn't get starter minutes from the off.
I wouldn't be happy either, they already got our sloppy seconds over the summer.
Read any forum, or reddit posts, most fans of other clubs thing we'd have done very well out of this to get 50M for him. That obviously doesn't mean anything on his own, but I do think we're probably inflating his value based on his age.
Basically what they said, but tbf to Garnacho Chelsea fans are unlikely to have much grip on reality when it comes to transfers.
Would be interesting to hear what Napoli fans think about basically swapping Kvaratshelia for Garnacho.
He doesn’t fit our current system. The vast majority of teams play with wingers. What happens in 12-18 months time if Amorim is gone and we get a manager in who’s plays with wingers and we have to go out and buy a bunch of them?
I’m pretty sure half the people in the Fernandez thread said we’d regret selling him and have been saying we should buy him back ever since in fairness.
Would be an example where they might be right!
Main point being we rarely sell players that people want to keep, so would be surprised to see many posts about potential future regret
Seems like something went on before the City game. To drop both him and Rashford from the squad and now actively want them both gone has to be something more than "we need money."
No I tend to agree mate, it just made me laugh how I came from that thread to this and yours was pretty much the first post I read.
I think both sets of fans wouldn’t be that excited by the transfer to be honest. No one rates him outside of our club, he’s not achieved the levels of the likes of Yamal, or even Fati, Greenwood or Foden when they were first starting to play in the first teams.
Factor that into the fact he’s going to cost north of £50m and he’s got everything to prove. It’s like signing Mudryk all over again. How often do big money signings of young players work out? There’s so much that has to go right for this transfer to be a success.
Well first of all, he's hardly a world-beater. He can pull off a nice shot and some decent play at times, but Messi he isn't.
Secondly, if we are scrambling around for a new manager within two years, we're already way beyond help. If Amorim and this system are not allowed to work, then whoever comes in will likely go back to the way we were doing it before and it didn't work. Just ask Moyes, Ole, Ten Hag and co.
They do not fit the system.
Well hopefully we’d go out and buy some wingers with a bit of football IQ who can pass and cross.
We'll just bring in a manager who plays the same set up.
Nkunku plus cash for Garnacho (and structured to maximise PSR) would be a great deal.
This would work for all partys tbf but doesn't seem like it's being looked into.
Nkunku is looking for playing time and we need a reliable CF
He’d fit into one of the 10 roles wouldn’t he? Or is he more of a CF?
Ye it’s all about attitude. Pure and simple. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don’t have the right attitude and mentality then you’re not needed. Bad attitude rubs of on other players. The quicker we get the bad eggs out of the dressing room the better.
My point is, regardless of that, young talents like Mainoo and Garnacho would be bottom of my list of sales. Fans who are okay with this come across as the weird ones.
He's shown he can play at the 10 at RBL but hes been used almost exclusively as a CF at Chelsea.
I've seen him at LW and as a second striker on occasion this season but he's primarily up top.
Feel like he could work quite well with someone like Zirkzee behind him
Maybe the left sided 10 would suit him then as he can drift out wide and stay central. I’d prefer an out an out goalscorer for our ST position.
Nkunku has had more injury problems than Mount before we signed him.
He has a lot of talent, but he's one of the least clutch players I've ever seen. If we get good money, I'm okey with letting him go.
£50m for AG would be a good deal. I’ve watched enough of him in a United shirt to not be upset if we sell him. He doesn’t fit in to our new system and we have to trust we are going to stick with it. Selling him would generate funds for 2 maybe 3 players and we desperately need that. Napoli would be. Good move for him and help us move on without getting it rubbed in our face every time he makes a dribble at Chelsea.
I’m not sure how to put this in a way you’ll understand.
Let’s take Casemiro as an example. In an ideal world, Napoli and Chelsea would offer £70m for him. However, for that to happen he’d have to be in his early 20’s and good. Because he’s neither of those things, we can’t sell him for any price because his salary is stupid. Now go through the entire squad and see that these things are true for most of the players we have. So going back to your statement, how do we sell these players who no one wants and don’t want to leave?
No one’s bothered about Garnacho leaving because he isn’t that good and you’ll see that in due time. He isn’t even rated by Argentinians.
Alonso or Inzaghi? Although Inzaghis system is slightly different, he prefers the 3 CM and 2 ST.
I have a very differing opinion to you on Garnacho, so there's no point in even starting a debate here. I didn't even mention anything about selling the dross either, I meant considering the amount of dross it's quite alarming. Selling him in January seems far too hesitant in my books when we could assess things better in the summer.
Depay and Januzaj spring to mind.
Garnacho hasn’t done anything to warrant his price tag being mentioned but that’s a different debate I can’t be bothered getting in to.
We won’t be able to sell any of these players in the summer if we finish in the bottom half of the table, let alone for £60m. Garnacho isn’t playing, when he does he’s predictable and brainless. Sometimes opportunities come along that you have to take and this is one.
Martial, Pogba, Greenwood, Iqbal, Hannibal, Sancho
Miguel Gutierrez + Lee Kang-In
This just makes me so sad, in the decade of us being shit I have hung on to the small things about the fabric of this club such as players coming out of the academy and doing well for us. Knowing our record with transfers we will probably just waste what we get for him anyways. We should at least wait till the summer before doing this.
Yup. Iqbal was a funny one. I'm convinced if his first name was anything other than Zidane, nobody would've given a shit.
The more I think about it, the whole thing makes me sad but at this point I'm just up for anything. We need sweeping changes so let's just sweep and change.