Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

You know what else solves FFP issues? Not spending 60m on Mount, 90m on Antony, 34m on Van De Beek, 34m on Zirkzee, 70m on Hojlund, and so on.

Selling our most talented young players because we've wasted money in the past few years is fecking moronic.

So let's get in the time machine and undo those mistakes then.....

Oh.
 
If we are going balls deep with Amorim then we may as well sell Garnacho now while his stock is still high. He clearly is not suited to a wing back or LAM role. Use the money to get Cunha and we will look far better under Amorim. If we have money spare to get a striker then even better still
 
Statistically he's among the most productive u21 players in world football after Yamal. He's up there whether you like him or not, and is rated as such in world football (as proven by his rankings in that Golden Boy award).

And yet weirdly enough, only Napoli and perhaps Chelsea are in for him.
 
For this accounting period, which means those signings would need to be made this month (or in June, from other English clubs).

We'd also be on the hook for amortization in future periods (as well as the actual cash flow, which you already mentioned). So it's not that simple.

Of course - I simplified it for ease of understanding. I think the future amortization can be balanced with time with the eventual exits or contract expiries of Antony, Sancho, Casemiro, Maguire.

I believe they look at FFP profits and losses over a 3 year rolling period so the profits should still count next year or after. But I stand to be corrected.
 
Statistically he's among the most productive u21 players in world football after Yamal. He's up there whether you like him or not, and is rated as such in world football (as proven by his rankings in that Golden Boy award).
Im guessing most people actually dont watch football and fail or refuse to acknowledge that a u21 player is by definition erratic and inconsistent, and that, bar Yamal who’s a phenomenon, Garnacho is among the best of these young players. Frustrating, obviously, but either all the other U21s are so shite that Garnacho can easily surpass them, or maybe Garnacho is not the shite player we are slowly labelling him to be on the Caf

I am yet to see a 20yo playing with a consistent base level. Even for Diallo, it took him 2 years to settle and start being productive
 
And yet weirdly enough, only Napoli and perhaps Chelsea are in for him.
A top PL club and a top Serie A club not enough for you? There's only so many clubs who could afford to pry him off of us. And 3 of those are actual rivals, while 2 of them (PSG and Madrid) just don't need him obviously, given they have Kvara, Barcola, Vini and the rest that Madrid have).
 
Or sit tight with your struggles for half a season til the summer and try to plan without panic selling a top talent in January. Either way.

You see, this comes down to interpretation. You assume that selling Garnacho now is panicking, where it could well be he's just not in future plans as Amorim doesn't see him a fit for the team he wants to build, and rather than the club sitting while Garnacho looks increasingly average for us, they sell now, rather than sell for less in the summer.

We also don't know (take those Alex Crook reports with a big grain of salt) if Garnacho feels he's not fitting into the system and wants to go elsewhere where he feels he would fit better.

There's clearly a divide on this, which is fine, but ascribing motives to it without any actual evidence of what is happening isn't really worth doing at this point. Likewise saying "x" happened and we shouldn't have done that isn't really meaningful, especially as well all know this.

I'm sure Chelsea wish they hadn't paid £200m for Mudryk, but they dealt with it and carried on.
 
You know what else solves FFP issues? Not spending 60m on Mount, 90m on Antony, 34m on Van De Beek, 34m on Zirkzee, 70m on Hojlund, and so on.

Selling our most talented young players because we've wasted money in the past few years is fecking moronic.

The irony of complaining that United don’t sell their players for hight enough fees but subsequently also complaining that opposition teams get high fees for theirs is not lost on me
 
Garnacho's going. Very clear now, just a matter of whether it's to Napoli or Chelsea. I'm pretty upset about it. Very confident this will be looked back at as a massive mistake in a couple years. Every decision INEOS have made has been terrible, so not surprised that they're prepared to sell one of the best prospects at the club for decent money. Garnacho seems to want to leave too. Frustrating. Very strange to see one of our better players actually want to play elsewhere. Might be the start of a pattern if the club continues in its current trajectory. Wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with Mainoo next season.
This does feel like we are going down another level, it's been a difficult frustrating rollercoaster ride since 2013 but deciding to sell a potential top class player who was pushing our highest paid player last season/this season to start, and we are now selling due to reasons from financial to tactical (so we are only ever going to play 3-4-3 again, and never adapt to in-game management and throw a match winner like Garnacho into the game!). Last year we were building a team around youngsters like Mainoo and Garnacho....and now we are willing to sell. Bad times continue...
 
The thing about potential is that it may not be fully realised.
Right now he is probably a £40m player but might become a £100m player in the next 4/5 years.
Might.
Hopefully we are looking at things like things/skills that he can improve in the future.
My opinion, nobody becomes a better dribbler after 20. Decision making and positioning and reading of the game can be vastly improved. Pace very unlikely to be improved. Innate goal scoring (being right time, right place) unlikely to improve but on occasion can be.
Being two footed. Maybe but unlikely.
I think £60m is a reasonable price right now based on the above.
Given our shitty situation I’d sell at 60 and roll the dice.
We may feck it up but right here and now I think that is what he is worth and we really need the dough.
Edit - he doesn’t seem to have a natural role in our current system which all the signs are we won’t change.
 
He is one of the best young talents in the world but does not fit the new system. I just hope we can find a proper replacement. If Amorim doe not work out we can find out we sold our best talent for nothing. Risky.
 
Umm, I was alive during the month of December. Around the 11th or 12th all major media outlets starting reporting that all of the squad barring Mainoo, Garnacho and Diallo were up for sale. Then the next day it was said they all were, then Ornstein tweeted they were open to selling Mainoo, then the fanbase pushed back, then Mellissa Redy posted a story saying Mainoo was off limits. They tested the water with one of the media stooges and back tracked with another one after the backlash, but they never at that point reiterated Garnacho wasn't up for sale.

If you were Garnacho would you feel valued by the club at that point?
So total nonsense then. After a Google search there is no source for this, and the story keeps changing.

If I was Garnacho I might think I need to put more effort in.
 
The thought of selling Garnacho and Mainoo a year ago would have been unthinkable. Now it feels like a majority of the fanbase are in favour of it. Mental.
 
Huge caveats here: we'd have to make those signings in this accounting period, we'd still have to fund the additional 200m in future accounting periods, and then there's the matter of the actual cash we need to pay for players.
Correct, but the point remains the same...selling homegrown players has a huge impact on our ability to fund transfers because of the way PSR recognises them as pure profit, and the way that incoming players' fees are amortised.

Obviously it's not "free money", we're kicking the can down the line, in essence.
 
A top PL club and a top Serie A club not enough for you? There's only so many clubs who could afford to pry him off of us. And 3 of those are actual rivals, while 2 of them (PSG and Madrid) just don't need him obviously, given they have Kvara, Barcola, Vini and the rest that Madrid have).

I think if he was genuinely seen as one of the top talents in world football we wouldn’t be considering letting him go, and there would be more interest in him from other clubs.

And PSG and Real Madrid not needing players hasn’t stopped them scooping up top talent in the past.
 
I'll be sad to see him go, considering the rest of the dross will survive for just the fact that their wages make them unsellable.

This sale just shows how utterly inept the glazers have been. They have ruined one of the best run clubs in the world right into the dirt with their tenure.
 
The thing about potential is that it may not be fully realised.
Right now he is probably a £40m player but might become a £100m player in the next 4/5 years.
Might.
Hopefully we are looking at things like things/skills that he can improve in the future.
My opinion, nobody becomes a better dribbler after 20. Decision making and positioning and reading of the game can be vastly improved. Pace very unlikely to be improved. Innate goal scoring (being right time, right place) unlikely to improve but on occasion can be.
Being two footed. Maybe but unlikely.
I think £60m is a reasonable price right now based on the above.
Given our shitty situation I’d sell at 60 and roll the dice.
We may feck it up but right here and now I think that is what he is worth and we really need the dough.
Edit - he doesn’t seem to have a natural role in our current system which all the signs are we won’t change.

This is it. It cuts both ways. There's a risk in selling him that he could go on to be a superstar, and there's a risk in keeping him that he could just be a decent player and we'd get less for him down the line and not near the projection people think.

I don't think there's any certainty here, which is why it feels so divisive in this thread.
 
I'll be gutted if Garnacho goes. There are many ordinary players in the squad, but he's not one of them. I don't think he'll ever win the Ballon d'Or, but I see him in the tier below that, an international for a top country who spends his career at elite clubs. I'd expect him to win the Champions League, the Copa America and probably the World Cup in the course of his career.

And we're selling him rather than expensive players who can't contribute to the team, like most of the midfielders or strikers. It seems there are two reasons why he has to go. 1) he's not a perfect fit for Amorim's system, 2) he'd generate a lot of profit, enabling us to strengthen in other areas.

It's a bitter pill to swallow, losing our most exciting attacker to add a wingback or two to the squad. I like Amorim, but if he has a system Garnacho doesn't fit into, I start to wonder whether the system is good enough.

Our best players last season were Garnacho and Mainoo. They're both young and United products. If selling them is the answer I think we're asking the wrong questions.
 
For once we're selling when the price is high.
High? If this was United trying to sign Garnacho we’d be quoted £80 million yet here we are dropping our pants because of what we’ve pissed away the last few years on bench warmers
 
High? If this was United trying to sign Garnacho we’d be quoted £80 million yet here we are dropping our pants because of what we’ve pissed away the last few years on bench warmers
That's because everyone knows United are mugs that massively overpay
 
The thought of selling Garnacho and Mainoo a year ago would have been unthinkable. Now it feels like a majority of the fanbase are in favour of it. Mental.
true football fans know that buying players is the essence of football. if we need to sell the odd academy reject that one one really cares about to enable that, so be it. do you want to look your kids in the face on deadline day and tell them our club won’t be signing anyone this window?
 
Well apparently we are skint. Who we going to buy?
We were supposed to be skint last summer and the summer before, turns out we did have some cash lying around, what we don't have is PSR room, selling Garnacho gives us some room in that respect
 
He got talent i droves, but I guess he is a square peg in a round hole in more ways then one.

His physique is not made for Premier League and his best attributes aren’t made for a 3-4-3 system.

Sad to see him leave, especially if Rash leaves as well.

But I think he will thrive in Serie A and United really need that money.
 
This club is just unrecognizable at this point, one of the most bizarre sales we've ever made, if it goes through. Considering the amount of pure dross in this squad.