Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

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Unless we've got players lined up to replace him AND there have been issues behind the scenes with his attitude/ego, then it would be mental to sell now.

Goes against everything this club stands for really.

Would rather get rid of some of the senior players first at ANY cost.
 
Red in STL said:
We were supposed to be skint last summer and the summer before, turns out we did have some cash lying around, what we don't have is PSR room, selling Garnacho gives us some room in that respect
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I’m not sure how much PSR trouble we are in, if Chelsea can buy him that says it all. I’m not sure we know how good Gernacho is yet. He could be overrated or a galactico.
 
DevilRed said:
Unless we've got players lined up to replace him AND there have been issues behind the scenes with his attitude/ego, then it would be mental to sell now.

Goes against everything this club stands for really.

Would rather get rid of some of the senior players first at ANY cost.
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Or sell him at the peak of his stock.
 
Steve 007 said:
I’m not sure how much PSR trouble we are in, if Chelsea can buy him that says it all. I’m not sure we know how good Gernacho is yet. He could be overrated or a galactico.
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The difference between us and Chelsea is that they took advanatge of a loophole that has now been closed and they also sold a lot of 'home grown' players - they probably had more leeway than we have/did but I suspect that they are reaching the limit soon
 
I don't like this if Utd do it. Strong chance it is the type of move the club and fanbase ends up massively regretting.
 
GreatDane said:
Not if we keep with Amorim and the 343, Garnacho simply does not fit.
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And if Amorin flames out in 6 months, which is not entirely unlikely, and we have binned off Garnacho and Mainoo to chase the Ruben dream Utd are going to look even dumber that they already do.
 
People should stop the dross we acquired as a benchmark for market rates, we’ve been a constant outlier in terms of the price / return on investment due to our embarrassing recruitment structure. It’s a totally reasonable price for Garnacho who struggles to get a game for us and has attitude issues.
 
Rajma said:
People should stop the dross we acquired as a benchmark for market rates, we’ve been a constant outlier in terms of the price / return on investment due to our embarrassing recruitment structure.
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And yet we're being quoted 40m for a rather unknown and rather random LB
 
Bobski said:
And if Amorin flames out in 6 months, which is not entirely unlikely, and we have binned off Garnacho and Mainoo to chase the Ruben dream Utd are going to look even dumber that they already do.
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This.

Which is why its so important for the DOF and management to actually have a vision.

We can't continue to change the entire team every time we appoint a new manager.

A player of Garnachos quality and potential should fit in most teams. Unless of course there are things going on behind the scenes we are not privy to.
 
DevilRed said:
This.

Which is why its so important for the DOF and management to actually have a vision.

We can't continue to change the entire team every time we appoint a new manager.

A player of Garnachos quality and potential should fit in most teams. Unless of course there are things going on behind the scenes we are not privy to.
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I don't think Ashworth left because he was unhappy with the coffee. Do we even have a vision? Did Berrada and Sir Jim decide that we should use wingbacks and 3421?
 
bosnian_red said:
He is to us if we are being forced to sell him. We shouldn't want to sell him and shouldn't look to sell him. So it should take a lot of money. Every young player comes at a premium due to potential, and Garnacho absolutely has elite potential. So we absolutely shouldn't be selling him for less than a stupid high fee.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Garnacho is nowhere near to being an elite prospect, he has no outstanding qualities.
 
Its going to be infuriating if we sell him, don't sign a good player in return, and then recall Rashy and have to endure him strolling around for the rest of the season

Chickens coming home to roost for all the money we've wasted buying crap and giving ludicrous wages out without question. Ineos are clearly in bed with the Glazers and don't actually give a shit about the fans despite all they claimed to when putting in the bids
 
hellhunter said:
Rightfully so, in my opinion
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We're a very average team that struggles to score goals, and we're selling a highly talented, capable academy player who is our top scoring forward. For a relatively low fee. This feels like a bad move.
 
redcucumber said:
We're a very average team that struggles to score goals, and we're selling a highly talented, capable academy player who is our top scoring forward. For a relatively low fee. This feels like a bad move.
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Can't see it any other way. If we were to immediately replace him with a better fit for the system, might be worth thinking about, but I can't see it. We're not getting an upgrade for the touted Garnacho fee
 
bosnian_red said:
Statistically he's among the most productive u21 players in world football after Yamal. He's up there whether you like him or not, and is rated as such in world football (as proven by his rankings in that Golden Boy award).
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How much is PL against lower level teams in cup games?
 
It's a very difficult one. Both because we don't really know Garnacho's full potential and also because we don't know what the funds will be spent on.

What we do know is that we have several positions that need urgent attention (GK, LWB, CF, AM and likely CM), whilst not having the funds to recruit for these positions.

I'm torn but probably end up on the side of accepting a £60m+ offer. My reasoning being that going into next season with Garnacho and maybe 1-2 other signings isn't going to put us in a Champions League position, particularly as he is unlikely to be able to flourish in the left attacking midfield spot given his skillset.

Therefore we end up with a very talented squad player and 1-2 additions to the squad, or the opportunity to go into the summer targeting 4-5 first team players.

I don't buy the argument "what's the point in selling a good player when we'll inevitably just buy a crap one with the funds" because a) if that premise is accepted then we're going to be an upper mid table team in perpetuity regardless of who we sell and b) the summer business seemed a big improvement on historical windows in my view.

I'd obviously prefer to sell Casemiro, Rashford, Eriksen, Lindelof, Mount, Malacia, Onana and Antony; but my guess is all of these put together would raise less funds than Garnacho, given their huge wages in comparison to current ability.
 
Shark said:
This club is just unrecognizable at this point, one of the most bizarre sales we've ever made, if it goes through. Considering the amount of pure dross in this squad.
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Yep. And it doesn't look like that pure dross is going anywhere so one of the few exciting players we have is gone, leaving us having to watch the dross continue to stink the place out, on their massive wages

It's sickening, and worrying

The signings we make using the money better not be even more dross/panic buys
 
United Hobbit said:
Its going to be infuriating if we sell him, don't sign a good player in return, and then recall Rashy and have to endure him strolling around for the rest of the season

Chickens coming home to roost for all the money we've wasted buying crap and giving ludicrous wages out without question. Ineos are clearly in bed with the Glazers and don't actually give a shit about the fans despite all they claimed to when putting in the bids
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It's the Glazers who walked us to the edge of the cliff financially, this is all on them.
 
bosnian_red said:
You know what else solves FFP issues? Not spending 60m on Mount, 90m on Antony, 34m on Van De Beek, 34m on Zirkzee, 70m on Hojlund, and so on.

Selling our most talented young players because we've wasted money in the past few years is fecking moronic.
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Not much we can do about that, they've already been bought.

The problem is now getting rid of Rashford, Anthony and Casemiro, probably on loan, is not going to be enough to allow us to buy new players.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
I don't think Ashworth left because he was unhappy with the coffee. Do we even have a vision? Did Berrada and Sir Jim decide that we should use wingbacks and 3421?
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I've heard dire things about the coffee maker apparently they use the Carrington soil due to budget cuts
 
For a decent fee, it's really not a big deal. He isn't going to fit into any of the roles in our system. He can only play one position, and it's one we don't have.
 
hellhunter said:
When?
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Whenever we’re selling someone that isn’t 30+. We could have sold every player in the last 10 years and literally none of them would have been a regret. Chelsea sold Salah and KDB and now we’re not allowed to sell anyone ‘just in case’.

We’ve got no one on our books with their ability and never have done.
 
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