How many players we are interested in are actually worth what we are quoted?
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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He is to us if we are being forced to sell him. We shouldn't want to sell him and shouldn't look to sell him. So it should take a lot of money. Every young player comes at a premium due to potential, and Garnacho absolutely has elite potential. So we absolutely shouldn't be selling him for less than a stupid high fee.
Neither was Antony, didn't seem to matter when we went to buy him.
Spending 55m on Mason Mount with 1 year left on his deal should be a barometer to judge this by. So yeah if we gifted that much to Chelsea, we should be asking for more than that from them for Garnacho. £70-80m is fair for me. Below that feck right off
I'll be amazed if we get over £60m for him. Good business if we do though. From looking like it wasn't going to happen to looking like it will now, wild few days.
Really on the fence with this one.
Could be a ‘selling Salah, selling KBD’ type scenario or it could turn out to be a shrewd bit of business that unlocks a bunch of money to buy multiple players in positions we’re desperately short in.
That being said, for huge potential are any of us confident that our club in the present moment could unlock that talent and make him truly great? I’m not. So I suppose it’s best we sell?
Could be a ‘selling Salah, selling KBD’ type scenario or it could turn out to be a shrewd bit of business that unlocks a bunch of money to buy multiple players in positions we’re desperately short in.
That being said, for huge potential are any of us confident that our club in the present moment could unlock that talent and make him truly great? I’m not. So I suppose it’s best we sell?
Did I say that? I said that’s what we’d be quoted.
Why quote a ludicrous price like 80 million and ruin a deal. He's been horrendous under Amorim take 50 and reinvest where needed.
I've read he's scored so many for his age and that's a big deal but in what competition against what teams? It's it all in the prem? And playing counter attacking football in a poor side. For every one of those goals there has probably been a 100 times he's refused to pass and put it in the stands.
No guarantee he's going to be successful in a dominant team. Sell high, he looked great in a countrr attacking side and now looks poor.
I've read he's scored so many for his age and that's a big deal but in what competition against what teams? It's it all in the prem? And playing counter attacking football in a poor side. For every one of those goals there has probably been a 100 times he's refused to pass and put it in the stands.
No guarantee he's going to be successful in a dominant team. Sell high, he looked great in a countrr attacking side and now looks poor.
But in the scenario we sell him for 60m, what are we actually doing with that? Buying a random left back for 30m? Sacrificing one of the best talents in world football for some filler players? feck that just struggle through for a year while your financial situation resolves itself and keep your star talents rather than trying to rush the process and losing out.
Garnacho's going. Very clear now, just a matter of whether it's to Napoli or Chelsea. I'm pretty upset about it. Very confident this will be looked back at as a massive mistake in a couple years. Every decision INEOS have made has been terrible, so not surprised that they're prepared to sell one of the best prospects at the club for decent money. Garnacho seems to want to leave too. Frustrating. Very strange to see one of our better players actually want to play elsewhere. Might be the start of a pattern if the club continues in its current trajectory. Wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with Mainoo next season.
The issue is that the player wants out. When that happens, it only ends one way.
They will get a forward too.
Sadly, it looks that way. Where are these Roberto Carlos regens that we will sign who will change the way we play?
Garnacho hasn't been great this season, but he is 20, and was very good last season. He's a top talent and it should take a top fee, his contract is for another 4.5 years
It's not like Chelsea or Napoli are going to up his wages to £200k
I'm sorry, I do not understand how he can be being touted for £50 million. Should be higher for sure.
The 60m crates FFP headroom of signings worth 250m. That is the power of amortization in the FFP rules. We obviously also need to fund the spend of 250m but it at least solves the FFP issue.
I am not saying I am in favour of selling Garna at 50m. Just highlighting why the club are doing what they are doing
Safe to say this one is dividing the fanbase, think @littlepeasoup made a good point that this could either go like De Bruyne/Salah at Chelsea or prove to be a sale that leads to some shrewd signings in key areas.
Again, this is United fans that think this more than anyone
...Or could be not De Bruyne/Salah and lead to disastrous signings that end up being dead wood.
Always positive, me.
All the clowns that want to sell him don't realize this is just the start of Ineos' asset stripping and we are anyways going to waste money on filler players as you said.
Dire times.
It’s baffling to think that we are apparently lowering the fee to £50m-£55m. If we’re ok to sell one of the few valuable assets, then at least sell him at the market rate (nothing less than £65m with add ons). This kid has shown his potential, albeit inconsistently, in one of the most pressurized sporting environments in the world right now.
Conte seems to really want to sign him and I haven’t seen Napoli talking about any alternatives. They have already seen how Mctominay has come in and hit the ground running. So, why are we then fine with discounting him? Hargreaves or whoever is negotiating should really be taking this opportunity. If they can’t get a good fee, then what’s the purpose of the negotiation team.
We have to stop this Manchester United premium when buying and discount when selling. We are no longer a top club. Our history isn’t going to pay for it. This is a club that is fine with removing a £50 weekly bonus for stewards for cost cutting, but also fine with discounting one of the top assets by £10m-£15m. I don’t understand this.
Conte seems to really want to sign him and I haven’t seen Napoli talking about any alternatives. They have already seen how Mctominay has come in and hit the ground running. So, why are we then fine with discounting him? Hargreaves or whoever is negotiating should really be taking this opportunity. If they can’t get a good fee, then what’s the purpose of the negotiation team.
We have to stop this Manchester United premium when buying and discount when selling. We are no longer a top club. Our history isn’t going to pay for it. This is a club that is fine with removing a £50 weekly bonus for stewards for cost cutting, but also fine with discounting one of the top assets by £10m-£15m. I don’t understand this.
It could be viewed as short sighted.
I'd much rather the club focused 100% on getting Rashford and Casemiro out of the club.
Antony is out already so that's a plus. Eriksen and Lindelof departing at the end of the season. Between those 5 players United could be a lot healthier anyway without selling Garnacho. Plus the fact United passed PSR rules for this season already means it's not an immediate danger that needs addressing in the next 2 weeks.
That’s an incredibly generous description. If Ineos and Amorim sell him it’s almost certainly because they’ve decided he’s not actually one of the best talents in world football. Right now he doesn’t even look like one of the best talents in the PL.
Statistically he's among the most productive u21 players in world football after Yamal. He's up there whether you like him or not, and is rated as such in world football (as proven by his rankings in that Golden Boy award).
For this accounting period, which means those signings would need to be made this month (or in June, from other English clubs).
We'd also be on the hook for amortization in future periods (as well as the actual cash flow, which you already mentioned). So it's not that simple.
OK so what should be done to get money, fair enough it's your right to call people clowns but at least tell us what needs to happen instead.
Stop shouting bro.
Sell a hotel to yourself. Duh.
You know what else solves FFP issues? Not spending 60m on Mount, 90m on Antony, 34m on Van De Beek, 34m on Zirkzee, 70m on Hojlund, and so on.
Selling our most talented young players because we've wasted money in the past few years is fecking moronic.
Pretty much. Will be an unmitigated disaster if we use the (way too little fee) to buy a random LB and that's it
Our name isn't Chelsea
Those poor decisions have already been made though. We can't undo them.
Exactly, this kid is going to live off that over head kick vs Everton for the rest of his life. All evidence points to him only being able to play on the left in a 433 in a counter attacking side. He has no value to Amorim. Anything close to 60 is great business.
I do agree about that point
Considering that the whole point of a youth system is to regenerate and have young players coming through to compete with those that have already broken through, I'd ask whether you don't have youngsters coming through who could possibly replace Garnacho (and indeed Mainoo)? Your youth teams have looked pretty decent in recent seasons, I believe.
For what it's worth, I think Garnacho's a decent prospect (though questionable as to whether he can get to elite level). My main worry would be his attitude rather than system/formation. Amorim wasted little time in axing him from the squad and doesn't appear desperate to keep him. His constant 'liking' of some of the criticism of Ten Hag was a desperately poor look too. I get that he's young and impetuous, but it hardly points to a humble lad and doesn't suggest that he's the sharpest tool in the box either.
For what it's worth, I think Garnacho's a decent prospect (though questionable as to whether he can get to elite level). My main worry would be his attitude rather than system/formation. Amorim wasted little time in axing him from the squad and doesn't appear desperate to keep him. His constant 'liking' of some of the criticism of Ten Hag was a desperately poor look too. I get that he's young and impetuous, but it hardly points to a humble lad and doesn't suggest that he's the sharpest tool in the box either.
Not exactly much of a list of available forwards out there who would come to a bottom half PL side with 1 week left of the window who would actually be worth a lot of money or sacrificing a top talent for is there though?
Or sit tight with your struggles for half a season til the summer and try to plan without panic selling a top talent in January. Either way.
Especially since our season is over anyway
If we are going balls deep with Amorim then we may as well sell Garnacho now while his stock is still high. He clearly is not suited to a wing back or LAM role. Use the money to get Cunha and we will look far better under Amorim. If we have money spare to get a striker then even better still
And yet weirdly enough, only Napoli and perhaps Chelsea are in for him.
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