Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

pratyush_utd said:
How it is obvious? Is he the first player who has received bids?

Rashford who is not even getting serious offers is frozen out because he wanted out. Garnacho is playing. I am not sure its that obvious.

He is only few players that will actually fetch us some money
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Rashford said it publically. Garnacho has been shopping himself about with his agents.
 
Kablamo said:
I don't believe the Chelsea interest.

I think we are being used (willingly) for you to coax more money out of Napoli, while we use the headlines as a form of misdirection to complete a big deal.

It's all subterfuge, bluff and Ben Chilwell being eased into your club on deadline day as a thank you.
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No KP nuts for you.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Yeah I’ve said before, in a perfect world we just keep him and see what ends up happening with his development, but the hard truth is we HAVE to sell someone and he’s the best bet of current value to sell.

And yes every Ronaldo comp should be met with a threadban. Because not only is it unfair to the current player, but Ronaldo also gets SEVERELY downplayed as a talent.
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Agree. Here is hoping that if we sell him we bring someone to replace him, otherwise we will be worse.
 
Napoli are actually insane. €45m? But yet they will ask for Heaven and Earth for Osimhen.
 
sugar_kane said:
I can see why you'd say that given the 'eye test' of his performances but he's nearly already matched his stats for last season (8+5 G/A vs. 10+5 last season) and he's having to struggle to adapt to a new system as well as having to deal with the turmoil of a mid-season manager change. That, plus he's 20.

It really makes me feel uneasy that it's come to this, and I genuinely think we're making a mistake here. I think we should only be selling at the point where it's become clear a player needs to move on, I don't think we're anywhere near there yet with Garnacho and there's enough to suggest he can be a very good player for us.

It feels like we're betting everything on 343 being the system this club will stick to for the next few years and I feel massively pessimistic about that being the case.

The only thing that makes me think maybe we get rid is just the vibe he gives off... there have been a couple of flags over the last few years which suggest his attitude may be a problem. Still though my gut tells me we're making a mistake here and symbolically (selling a talented academy product way before his peak, as opposed to Rashford/McTominay where they've clearly hit their top level and we know it's not good enough) it feels quite depressing and against the spirit of the club.
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Totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree with a lot of you said, but maybe the bolded part has actually been our problem? You can't make profit and generate revenue off of players that have already ceased to have value and clearly need a chance of scenery. You can see Rashford as example 1 of that. Compare what we would have got for Rashford two years ago compared to today where we can't even loan him out because of his wages.

Maybe it is time we take a page out of City's playbook, because for every Cole Palmer sale they've had, they've also had a Zinchenko, Gabriel Jesus and Raheem Sterling. Jury is still out on whether Alvarez will be worth it.
 
Rossa said:
I dunno. Who would have thought Giggs would transition into a central midfielder, well past 30? Rio was once an attacking midfielder. Bale was once a subpar left back. Players evolve, adapt and even become better players as a result.
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Thing is, you have to want to evolve, but I don't see Garnacho or Rashford come out and say, they are willing to do anything for the club and evolve as players.
 
The question is if we sell Garnacho so we have deals lined up for 2-3 players that go straight into the starting 11 and improve us overall?

If not then there is zero point selling Garnacho.

Based on our history id expect if we did sell Garnacho any money spent on replacements would in fact be for players worse than Garnacho
 
chris123 said:
Totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree with a lot of you said, but maybe the bolded part has actually been our problem? You can't make profit and generate revenue off of players that have already ceased to have value and clearly need a chance of scenery. You can see Rashford as example 1 of that. Compare what we would have got for Rashford two years ago compared to today where we can't even loan him out because of his wages.

Maybe it is time we take a page out of City's playbook, because for every Cole Palmer sale they've had, they've also had a Zinchenko, Gabriel Jesus and Raheem Sterling. Jury is still out on whether Alvarez will be worth it.
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Yeah I think there is a 'sweet spot' somewhere, whereby it's clear internally to the club that a player isn't going to make it but not yet clearly visible to potential suitors.

We've often gone way past that sweet spot and tried to sell players when they're clearly about 2/3 years past their sell by date (and often on massive wages)

With Garnacho it's possible the club have enough info to make that call now but 1. I don't actually trust them to make the correct call 2. 20 years old seems quite young to make that call (for an established first team player at least with decent stats)

I think it's as simple as we want to cash in to buy players for this one specific formation. I think we'll regret it. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Kablamo said:
I don't believe the Chelsea interest.

I think we are being used (willingly) for you to coax more money out of Napoli, while we use the headlines as a form of misdirection to complete a big deal.

It's all subterfuge, bluff and Ben Chilwell being eased into your club on deadline day as a thank you.
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Why would misdirection be required for Chelsea to complete a big deal?
 
croadyman said:
Cunha?
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Tbh you could name a lot of players in world football and I’d be worried they wouldn’t hit the ground running with us.

With Cunha I don’t really like his attitude. Seems to be kicking up a fuss a lot this season. Not great given the chips are clearly down at wolves.
 
laughtersassassin said:
The question is if we sell Garnacho so we have deals lined up for 2-3 players that go straight into the starting 11 and improve us overall?

If not then there is zero point selling Garnacho.

Based on our history id expect if we did sell Garnacho any money spent on replacements would in fact be for players worse than Garnacho
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Thing is without selling Garnacho or someone, we can't buy anyone atm. But it's not said that we will buy anyone just now. Even if he goes, then might not buy anyone atm. But in summer we have more financial leeway for our targets. Winter transfer window is very hard to manage.
 
SparcMac said:
Thing is without selling Garnacho or someone, we can't buy anyone atm. But it's not said that we will buy anyone just now. Even if he goes, then might not buy anyone atm. But in summer we have more financial leeway for our targets. Winter transfer window is very hard to manage.
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True buts it's a big problem when we have to sell one of our Ok players and not the dross we currently employ
 
So we loan out Antony and sell Garnacho when we already have a completely depleted attacking option. Sell Garnacho for what, €45m and then sign that Lecce bloke who is playing his second ever season for €40m? Is a promising player from Man Utd worth almost as much as a promising player from Lecce? When Garnacho finished 9th in the Golden Boy Awards? I would be more content if we have another attacker lined up, but we have feck all, and we are not linked to any.

Every club in the world will squeeze us try when we try to buy any attackers because they know we are desperate, and know that we have the money due to PSR. If we wait till the summer window while we are flopping around in the league and struggling to score with barely any attackers left in the club, which player would join us and which club would give us a good price? Furthermore, why would any player join a Man Utd that finished just above relegation (we are not gonna finish any higher than we are now if we keep this up) other than for money? In the end, clubs will demand even more money from us for sales, and players will ask to be paid more.

We are willingly and happily digging ourselves into a massive hole. This club is doomed if we don't sort things out as soon as possible instead of waiting for a miracle like our current players suddenly grow a spine.
 
Rossa said:
Not sure they have to say it. They have to do it. According to Amorim. Garnacho is working on it.
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It's not just a matter of volition, however. It's a matter of requisite instinct and ability. Garnacho is being asked to assimilate to a no.10 role, however, Amorim has learned very quickly that he doesn't have that profile in his characteristics. No amount of intensive coaching, repetition or exposure to the no.10 role will imbue Garnacho will the qualities required for that role. He won't become an excellent passer, good in very tight spaces, a markedly better decision-maker, etc. He might improve somewhat through repetition in some of these areas, but the leap required to master that role, it's just not possible with Garnacho's base technical or mental qualities.

Recognising this as early as Amorim has is the quality of Amorim himself.
 
Dannn411 said:
Napoli are actually insane. €45m? But yet they will ask for Heaven and Earth for Osimhen.
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Some people talk just for the sake of talking. Kvara just went for 70 and Osimhen is available for like 65. Both are in different stratospheres compared to Garnacho.
 
Napoli would insist on recruiting the Argentine winger Garnacho \(20 years old\)\. The player and the Italian club would have an agreement around a contract until 2030\. Now it remains to convince the Red Devils, who could sell him for around €70M\.

 
chris123 said:
Totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree with a lot of you said, but maybe the bolded part has actually been our problem? You can't make profit and generate revenue off of players that have already ceased to have value and clearly need a chance of scenery. You can see Rashford as example 1 of that. Compare what we would have got for Rashford two years ago compared to today where we can't even loan him out because of his wages.

Maybe it is time we take a page out of City's playbook, because for every Cole Palmer sale they've had, they've also had a Zinchenko, Gabriel Jesus and Raheem Sterling. Jury is still out on whether Alvarez will be worth it.
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I agree with your take - the whole point is to swim against the tide. If you're decisions aren't derided as "dumb" by at least 50% of the most high-profile pundits, you're probably doing something wrong.

And...when I say "swim against the tide", I mean do so based on backing your knowledge, your Data, your eye etc...

It's not about making reckless decisions, it's the opposite. They should be calculated. Someone offers £60m for Garnacho...what's the chance he becomes a priceless world class superstar? It's not 'nil' at all...but that's why the buying team are prepared to pay £60m! If we did what the other poster suggest and hang on until it's obvious they're a mediocre PL plodder, then you go from £60m to £20m

See my take on Rashford in about 2019. I'd have gotten £100m for him and now we can't get someone to take him on loan.
 
Rossa said:
So when learning a new position in a new system you can’t miss sitters? It was a terrible miss. It happens.
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It happens pretty often.

Learning a new role, doesn't translate to missing sitters. You either have it or you don't. Even under Eth a few of these guys were regularly missing sitters, when the team really needed bailing out. Rashford and Garnacho have let teams off the hook, when they should be punishing them. On the flip side, we give lesser teams similar chances and are ruthlessly punished for it !! Getting tired of these imposters, they just aren't good enough, not the types of players you want in the trenches.
 
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Say we sell him for 60m, who are we replacing him with exactly? And within just over a week.
 
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