Would be ridiculously short sighted if we sell him. Yes he isn’t a perfect fit for Amorim’s system but what happens if we sack Amorim in a year’s time and all of a sudden we have no wingers left?
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Not to be all tribal in here but the Mudryk deal is embarrassing enough without embellishment!
He's also young enough to learn how to play in this system, its not like it's fecking rocket science anyway. Instead of hugging the line, play inside a bit, and run back if you lose the ball.
If a footballer can't do that, then there's something dreadfully wrong.
He can and should be replaced by a forward. If we get someone that is capable of playing as a LAM in this system and also as a winger in a 433 or 4231 then it's fine. Getting someone that is equally adept in both roles may be a challenge but if we get someone with the right profile, we shouldn't be worried about whether Amorim gets sacked in a year or two.
€70m base and €30m performance related, so yeah, €70m.
Lots of our current players hate doing defensive work, like tracking runners back or pressing. That's the problem. And he's one of them.
It's also an opportunity to get good money for him now. He may well adapt but still not be very good in the new role. It's no doubt a gamble but we've often held onto players for too long in the hope that they will eventually come good. By the time we realise it's not going to work, their value has plummeted.
I feel that he's quite similar to Antony.
A half-decent player who for one reason or another had his confidence destroyed and has never recovered.
Obviously the fee was just too big though for both.
Think it's more a skillset thing than understanding tbh. I don't doubt he understands the change, but the things he's good at don't really lend themselves to it.
If he was going to nail down a spot in this system he'd be more suited to wingback IMO.
It could be a good decision if he doesn’t really get any better. Sometimes we have been too short sighted in terms of giving youngsters big new contracts or players don’t develop as expected.
These are the type of decisions we need to start getting right, and if we do sell need to ensure the money is spent wisely. In theory the money raised could fast track upgrading the team but putting that into practice is a lot more difficult.
Fecked up shit.
Reluctantly approving his agent talking to other clubs.
I remember when Adnan Januzaj first broke through and started off like a house on fire. PSG offered £40m and we turned it down. Hindsight says we should've taken that deal.
"Oh no, I either have to help out defensively our be more creative and pass and stuff, waaaaaah!"
Good riddance to that sort of characters, I say.
I mean, you basically just underlined why what a club is willing to pay isn't indicative of the player's actual ability or talent level. So I'm not sure what to say.
Bargain.
Yeah gonna go out on a limb and say that Mudryk winning a Balon d'Or ain't happening
Available at a discount if you are keen!
In my case it's more not remembering very well.
And if any of my posts in the last few pages suggest I expect an inflated fee evidently my wording is so far removed from my actual thoughts that I should just retire from the internet.
I wasn't referring to you specifically. I've just seen a lot of mental and mathematical gymnastics to try and justify why we should ask for more.
I think selling him for €70-80m isn’t the worst idea. Yes he’s young and has some potential but (a) he doesn’t work in this system and (b) besides his work rate, I think he’s regressed this season. His passing and finishing are questionable and his football IQ is just not that high.
Reluctantly coming to personal terms with said clubs
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: agreement with the player for a contract until 2030 at 4 million euros per season. Manchester United could go down to 60 million pounds, contacts underway
Nobody here can answer that without knowing how tight United's PSR calculations are and how much free cash is available. I would be surprised if we committed the full £60m to a new player, but it is all guesswork.
Of course, you can answer in theory, it's £300 million.
Why are people posting as if we can get 2-3 highly talented players for 60M?
With the exception of Amad, the best of the rest have been blowing hot and cold since Amorim’s arrival. None of them has stood out as consistently playing well.
I agree that Garnacho looked better at the start of the season and has had only a few decent moments under Amorim. But I don’t see why he can’t make it in this team. He had the work rate and IMO he has the ambition. My fear from several months ago was that he would look to leave us in the summer if we continued playing like a shower of shite. That still stands.
Don’t want to see him go unless we replace him with a better player who can hit the ground running. Not sure if such a player exists.
I agree that Garnacho looked better at the start of the season and has had only a few decent moments under Amorim. But I don’t see why he can’t make it in this team. He had the work rate and IMO he has the ambition. My fear from several months ago was that he would look to leave us in the summer if we continued playing like a shower of shite. That still stands.
Don’t want to see him go unless we replace him with a better player who can hit the ground running. Not sure if such a player exists.
Because we can.
Because £60m for a HG player on the books means we can spend something like £200m now.
Only in PSR terms. Questionable if we can afford that in actual money terms
Sure, at the expense of not being able to sign players in future windows.
Then you're not paying attention.
He doesn't fit the system, and doesn't have the technique or IQ required to mould his game.
Nor the attitude to sacrifice his game for the team
So many reports with wildly varying numbers.
That’s not a PSR specific thing, you spend money now and it means you have less money to spend later. That’s how money works?
The context of point I was making is that we are currently super tight on PSR and by all accounts cannot spend anything. Selling Garnacho as a homegrown player is a bit of a jackpot for PSR and unlocks a lot of money for us. Compare that to selling someone like Antony for £30m which would have raised virtually £0 from a PSR perspective.