Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

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gulli_G said:
His average goals are around 10 per season. Can't keep blaming how crap the sides have been. Class shows, De Gea was part of many bad sides, his class showed throughout.
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I'm just gonna say your thought process regarding this is incredibly flawed in my opinion, and won't keep derailing Garnacho's thread anymore.
 
Orc said:
From a Chelsea supporter’s perspective I think it’s absolutely fecking insane that this is a genuine possibility. We are already a squad filled to the brim with young, pretty raw players all over the pitch and with many more to come in this summer, including in the attacking areas. Yet we’re going after another attacking midfielder who is young and super raw for a ridiculous sum of money?

We are desperate beyond belief for a lethal #9 and have been for as long as I can remember and yet we may offer 70m for Garnacho? This is just mind boggling.
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Seems odd when you have Paez and Estevao on the way. Maybe one of them will go on loan to your french club though? I assume Mudryk is done now too due to the drug test and Nkunku is done but that still leaves you with Sancho, Madueke, Neto, Felix, Palmer etc...
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Hopefully we inform them that cash plus Osimhen might get this deal over the line for Napoli. There’s no trouble between the club and Garnacho whereas there’s clearly issues between Napoli and Osimhen.
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£60m for Garnacho and less then £40m for Osimhen and we'd be talking.
 
Keyser said:
Weirdly I think due to PSR we'd be better off selling him for £60m and buying Osimhen for the same in seperate transactions, that would allow us the leeway to get Dorgu and potentially A.N Other if my understanding is right
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Yeah, lots of clubs are doing things like this now.

Will become a lot more common with English clubs until the rules change again to match Uefa's.

Will probably see lots of "swaps" of youth players in June between Premier League clubs aswell.
 
I get the PSR thing but I do hope we keep him. Lost Sancho, Losing Rashford, Anthony. No replecements. Anthony has been rubbish, Rashford has been equally bad but we do need some depth.
 
SilentWitness said:
Seems odd when you have Paez and Estevao on the way. Maybe one of them will go on loan to your french club though? I assume Mudryk is done now too due to the drug test and Nkunku is done but that still leaves you with Sancho, Madueke, Neto, Felix, Palmer etc...
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I wonder if Chelsea would be stupid enough to give us one of those two for Garnacho...? Although they've been stupid enough to stack that right side of too many players that don't want to warm the bench, in Palmer, Neto, Madueke, and the two kids you mentioned, so who knows? They're lucky that Palmer is even better as a #10, which solves a lot of the minute issues for this season.

I'm not even sure which players Chelsea apparently wanted to offer us in exchange for Garnacho.

The ones that would really interest us have considerably higher market values than the Argentine: Palmer, Caicedo

The ones who we could realistically swap are both injury prone and first team regulars for them: Lavia, Neto

The rest of their players who are worth looking at aren't worth 60m and they probably wouldn't even offer some of them: Colwill (they probably wouldn't swap and doubtful that we need him as he's more of a CCB), Adarabioyo (not a high value player), Anselmino (a kid with good potential), Acheampong (a kid with immense potential), Chukwuemeka (a kid with good potential)

These are the only players that United should be interested in IMO, but I can't see a straight swap for any of them with Garnacho.
 
Rojofiam said:
I wonder if Chelsea would be stupid enough to give us one of those two for Garnacho...? Although they've been stupid enough to stack that right side of too many players that don't want to warm the bench, in Palmer, Neto, Madueke, and the two kids you mentioned, so who knows? They're lucky that Palmer is even better as a #10, which solves a lot of the minute issues for this season.

I'm not even sure which players Chelsea apparently wanted to offer us in exchange for Garnacho.

The ones that would really interest us have considerably higher market values than the Argentine: Palmer, Caicedo

The ones who we could realistically swap are both injury prone and first team regulars for them: Lavia, Neto

The rest of their players who are worth looking at aren't worth 60m and they probably wouldn't even offer some of them: Colwill (they probably wouldn't swap and doubtful that we need him as he's more of a CCB), Adarabioyo (not a high value player), Anselmino (a kid with good potential), Acheampong (a kid with immense potential), Chukwuemeka (a kid with good potential)

These are the only players that United should be interested in IMO, but I can't see a straight swap for any of them with Garnacho.
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Of course we're not giving you either of those two for Garnacho before they've kicked a ball for us. The player we are offering is very obviously Chilwell.
 
Steve 007 said:
I get the PSR thing but I do hope we keep him. Lost Sancho, Losing Rashford, Anthony. No replecements. Anthony has been rubbish, Rashford has been equally bad but we do need some depth.
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We haven't gotten rid of any of them yet, so how can you complain about replacements.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
£60m for Garnacho and less then £40m for Osimhen and we'd be talking.
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I do think we have to involve Osimhen with the deal , once he doesn’t request crazy wages. The days of a player walking into Utd after signing a £250,000-£300,000 a week contract should be over .
 
Terrible decision if we sell him imo. Especially for substantially less than the likes of Antony
 
In the last 1 year (vs. other attacking midfielders and wingers in the top five leagues) :-

1. Garnacho is in the lower 6% for progressive passes averaging 1.93 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 4.11!
2. Garnacho is in the lower 33% for successful takeons averaging 1.25 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 1.69.
3. Garnacho is in the lower 15% for assists averaging 0.09 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 0.21
 
Looking more and more likely. Crazy decision to sell in my view, so incredibly disappointing to sell a young and exciting player. If i was Garnacho i'd be off in a heartbeat but the club should be clinging on to him.
 
Hoof the ball said:
In the last 1 year (vs. other attacking midfielders and wingers in the top five leagues) :-

1. Garnacho is in the lower 6% for progressive passes averaging 1.93 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 4.11!
2. Garnacho is in the lower 33% for successful takeons averaging 1.25 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 1.69.
3. Garnacho is in the lower 15% for assists averaging 0.09 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 0.21
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Interesting stats tbf, who are the top 5 players in each category out of interest? I imagine all play in stronger sides that ours.
 
Hoof the ball said:
In the last 1 year (vs. other attacking midfielders and wingers in the top five leagues) :-

1. Garnacho is in the lower 6% for progressive passes averaging 1.93 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 4.11!
2. Garnacho is in the lower 33% for successful takeons averaging 1.25 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 1.69.
3. Garnacho is in the lower 15% for assists averaging 0.09 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 0.21
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I am sorry but this sounds like rubbish stats made up by Napoli or Chelsea to get the price down. He has a lot of goal involvments and beats his man quite regularly. Also progressive passes are difficult to make when there is no movement in front of you.
 
Chelsea can have him, if we get R.James and Palmer. And they can have Antony as a sprinkle(of shit) on top.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I am sorry but this sounds like rubbish stats made up by Napoli or Chelsea to get the price down. He has a lot of goal involvments and beats his man quite regularly. Also progressive passes are difficult to make when there is no movement in front of you.
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FBREF

The methods are fine and consistent. You are just reticent to believe it because your personal eye test attests a certain impression which your conclusion is naturally based upon, but the eye test is deceptive and is clouded by a fan naturally remembering mostly the good actions a player makes.

This is why FBREF is useful. It's a lot more objective.
 
DJ_21 said:
Very short memory? Ronaldo turned out to be a superstar after joining us. As did Wayne Rooney.
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If you read my response you would know Ronaldo and Rooney clearly represent my point.

Unless they are exceptional young talents we shouldn’t be taking the risk. Yoro would also be classed as this.
 
Infra-red said:
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.
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This ain't FIFA mate, you can't just say "Alright Case, get out now" and then magically expect some club to just waltz in and buy him.

We can only sell if there's a buyer.
 
If we can sell him for around 55 to 60m it’s a fantastic deal for us. I think our fans need to stop being soo emotional regarding players from academy. I have seen all top
Clubs making their assessment and sell their players who they believe will not be good enough for them despite them having good hype around them and make good money. We let things drag on and show reluctance to sell
When the time is right and then we moan about how City, Chelsea and Liverpool get good money for their fringe players. For Garnacho there are two aspects:

1) He currently is not good enough to be an attacker for a club like Manutd and looking at his attributes and shortcomings, it seems highly unlikely he will become one. He will not become fast, or develop technical skills like dribbling or develop IQ for better decision making. Lastly he is not even suited to this formation.

2) For PSR purpose his sale is a goldmine. It’s pure profit and allows us to realistically sign 2 to 3 players depending on whether we have enough room as their costs will be allocated over 4 to 5 years depending on the tenor of contract.

I would be very happy if we sell him and sign Cunha and LWB.
 
His fees should be in a similar range to what Villa get for Duran. Anything less is certainly not fantastic. Villa rejected 57m and are holding out for 80m. I am guessing it'll close at around 70m, which is what we should get for Garnacho, minimum.

Another thing is that we are extremely wasteful with money. We really need to spend it wisely and get the correct players in. Otherwise we'd be in a hole deeper than we are in already.
 
Red00012 said:
I do think we have to involve Osimhen with the deal , once he doesn’t request crazy wages. The days of a player walking into Utd after signing a £250,000-£300,000 a week contract should be over .
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The entire reason Osimhen is currently in Turkey rather than Chelsea is because he absolutely refused to lower his huge wage demands.
 
Hoof the ball said:
In the last 1 year (vs. other attacking midfielders and wingers in the top five leagues) :-

1. Garnacho is in the lower 6% for progressive passes averaging 1.93 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 4.11!
2. Garnacho is in the lower 33% for successful takeons averaging 1.25 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 1.69.
3. Garnacho is in the lower 15% for assists averaging 0.09 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 0.21
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I am not surprised by these stats which correlate to the eye test. He is very much head down and running into blind alleys player. Very rarely you will see him playing cute one twos or combining or finding and brilliant through pass etc. plus he very rarely squares it to a forward often goes for the goal from unrealistic angles.

Then I have always had the issue of take ons with him. He very rarely gets the better of any defender. Any half decent full back which is strong and fast which is basically 90% in PL anyway will get the better of him. Compare him to Dibling, Kudus, Mitoma, Mintah, Amad these are just on top of my head all are far better one on ones.

His stats have been bloated mainly from off the bench against tired defenses. Plus in front of goal he is shocking, he needs atleast 3 chances to score.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
I am not surprised by these stats which correlate to the eye test. He is very much head down and running into blind alleys player. Very rarely you will see him playing cute one twos or combining or finding and brilliant through pass etc. plus he very rarely squares it to a forward often goes for the goal from unrealistic angles.

Then I have always had the issue of take ons with him. He very rarely gets the better of any defender. Any half decent full back which is strong and fast which is basically 90% in PL anyway will get the better of him. Compare him to Dibling, Kudus, Mitoma, Mintah, Amad these are just on top of my head all are far better one on ones.

His stats have been bloated mainly from off the bench against tired defenses. Plus in front of goal he is shocking, he needs atleast 3 chances to score.
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That's when he gets inside, in front of goal, but defenders seem to be happy to show him the outside where he then struggles to get a cross in and can't beat them straight up very often.
 
Hoof the ball said:
In the last 1 year (vs. other attacking midfielders and wingers in the top five leagues) :-

1. Garnacho is in the lower 6% for progressive passes averaging 1.93 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 4.11!
2. Garnacho is in the lower 33% for successful takeons averaging 1.25 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 1.69.
3. Garnacho is in the lower 15% for assists averaging 0.09 per 90 minutes. The top five average is 0.21
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Any chance you’d post about his attributes rather than cutting one of our own
 
70m euros and think we'll accept. Not ideal but even with him being inconsistent he'll probably be brilliant in Italian league from beginning. Napoli sold KK to PSG so probably won't the deal to be done as early as this month so it could be interesting 10 days for us regarding transfers.
 
Is this how desperately low we've become that we are willing to sell one our of our most promising youngsters? Because he doesn't fit Amorim's inflexible and crap system. Desperate move. Desperate PR.
 
sixdwarf said:
Is this how desperately low we've become that we are willing to sell one our of our most promising youngsters? Because he doesn't fit Amorim's inflexible and crap system. Desperate move. Desperate PR.
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Is he that promising though?
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I am sorry but this sounds like rubbish stats made up by Napoli or Chelsea to get the price down. He has a lot of goal involvments and beats his man quite regularly. Also progressive passes are difficult to make when there is no movement in front of you.
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Does he beat his man regularly? I don't see it and I watch basically every match. He's got 1 assist in the pl this season.
 
Yeah, lets loan out Rashford while paying half his wages. Sell Garnacho and Mainoo and welcome the Championship as a way to get all the other players to leave. Just let us be in free fall och accept everything until their is nothing left but scraps.

Cause for every player thats leave we need to sign at least another one. Signing players have been our strong side for the last ten years. But hey now we have Southamptons transfer guru and Citys marketing guy to fix this. Sure. I can see how this will turn out.

My body aches, selling and falling out with our academy players. So sad. They should be the ones thriving now. Carry us. No, they want to leave.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
If we can sell him for around 55 to 60m it’s a fantastic deal for us. I think our fans need to stop being soo emotional regarding players from academy. I have seen all top
Clubs making their assessment and sell their players who they believe will not be good enough for them despite them having good hype around them and make good money. We let things drag on and show reluctance to sell
When the time is right and then we moan about how City, Chelsea and Liverpool get good money for their fringe players. For Garnacho there are two aspects:

1) He currently is not good enough to be an attacker for a club like Manutd and looking at his attributes and shortcomings, it seems highly unlikely he will become one. He will not become fast, or develop technical skills like dribbling or develop IQ for better decision making. Lastly he is not even suited to this formation.

2) For PSR purpose his sale is a goldmine. It’s pure profit and allows us to realistically sign 2 to 3 players depending on whether we have enough room as their costs will be allocated over 4 to 5 years depending on the tenor of contract.

I would be very happy if we sell him and sign Cunha and LWB.
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Point 2 is the most important, if we sell Garnacho, we can feasibly get in 2-3 players that better suit our setup, and may even be better than him already, we know a LWB can then come in, and ideally Cunha
 
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