Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Yes he is 20. But this is his 3rd season playing in the senior team and the 2nd with an almost full time role. Like i said, he is a Good player; but he offers nothing that cannot be replaced by others and on top of that he doesn't fit the system that the coach wants to play. If we are worried, then put a buy-back clause in his deal; but just like many before he will go away and just fade away to mid table relevance. You know who he reminds me of? Wilfreid Zaha. Looks like he can be a world beater 1-2 games a season and the rest you just ask yourself what he is doing.
He's already at 13 G+A this season, who exactly do you expect us to replace him with by the end of this transfer window? I haven't seen a link to a single player that can come in and bring that kind of immediate impact. If we're selling him for PSR reasons, why wouldn't we wait until the summer and let his value continue to rise while we can adequately line up proven forwards to bring into the team? You can't take a squad that's utterly starving for goals and sell one of the main goalscorers to bring in a wingback, that's utter madness.
 
How many 20 year olds do you know who've scored more goals than Garnacho? He might end up not being a world beater, but he also might. Top clubs keep their top prospects, especially when they're academy graduates.

We're selling him now because he doesn't fit the new manager's system. What happens when Amorim is sacked and his replacement wants a wide, direct, goal-scoring left winger a couple of transfer windows after we've sold Garnacho?

Every top club will sometimes sell one of their top 5 prospects, there is nothing unusual about that.
 
Every top club will sometimes sell one of their top 5 prospects, there is nothing unusual about that.

From a position of strength, when it has no serious impact on their first team. We're sorting one of our two top prospects when he's an established part of the first team squad, to spend more than half his fee on another wIld card left back 'prospect' .
 
From a position of strength, when it has no serious impact on their first team. We're sorting one of our two top prospects when he's an established part of the first team squad, to spend more than half his fee on another wIld card left back 'prospect' .
This is the crux of it, isn't it? If we spent the fee on say Cunha, you could argue it would be an immediate improvement, even if Garnacho may (or may not) have a higher potential down the line. It also negates the argument that we 'need to sell'. Maybe we need to sell to buy, but then buy a LB project?
 
From a position of strength, when it has no serious impact on their first team. We're sorting one of our two top prospects when he's an established part of the first team squad, to spend more than half his fee on another wIld card left back 'prospect' .

We're not selling one of our top two prospects. Mainoo, Amad and Yoro are all staying. They are all, by a big margin, better talents.
 
Rashford was the definition of special up until ETH's second season, with the only exception being the 21/22 season, where he had an injury that kept him out almost until Ole's sacking, and then came into a shit and disorganized team where Rangnick didn't even fancy him that much. Let's not rewrite history and pretend his 19/20, 20/21 and 22/23 seasons weren't great. He was comfortably 80-100m player in those seasons and one of the best left-sided inside forwards in the world
He had a purple patch when he was bothered, he still had limits, but decided to play to his best attributes. However he has never been in the Suarez, Rooney, Aguero category for me. He could have of he applied himself like Rooney or Ronaldo.

But unfortunately, Gernacho inherited his bad habits, maybe even got too big for his boots, hence both of them getting dropped.
 
He's already at 13 G+A this season, who exactly do you expect us to replace him with by the end of this transfer window? I haven't seen a link to a single player that can come in and bring that kind of immediate impact. If we're selling him for PSR reasons, why wouldn't we wait until the summer and let his value continue to rise while we can adequately line up proven forwards to bring into the team? You can't take a squad that's utterly starving for goals and sell one of the main goalscorers to bring in a wingback, that's utter madness.
That impact is exaggerated, almost half of his goal contributions have been against a League 2 team and 2nd string relegation candidate in the League Cup. Even last season when he was supposed to be much better than now, he scored in 4 league games out of 36 appearances. He might get you a goal every 7 or 8 appearances while not offering much in general play, United should be able to do better.
 
This is exactly when you hold to potentially valuable players just in case, when most of the ones who have the right age profile are terrible.

Again, not fitting the system well 2 months into a new manager - one who has had the worst start in United's PL history - is madness, especially when you can see the player is trying to adapt.

I am not advocating for a blanket refusal, I agree there's a price for which most of our players should be available - I also agree that it's a subjective view. But this price is not even in the ballpark of that threshold for quite a few posters on here, and for good reason - we have (and other clubs have) spent way more on lesser prospects with shorter contracts. 50-60m is terribly undervaluing our asset.

Also, back ourselves to get two replacements? You realize that's blind faith, right? We've not managed to get two top-performing wingers in more than a decade.

If we had the replacements in, then I'd be more amenable to that price, too. But right now it's madness.

If Wilcox and co can't do better than Woody, Joel and Murtough in the transfer market then it doesn't matter who we do or don't sell, we will remain a midtable club at best. They have to believe they can sign some good replacements or you can stop worrying about "getting back to the top" if not. Nothing wrong with putting trust in youth but you always have to accompany that with good signings. Arsenal with Odegaard, Gabriel, United with Cantona, Schmeichel, Irwin for example.
 
This team desperately needs goals yet we're going to sell one of our most productive players and the only person we're linked with as a result is a raw, unproven left back from a poor Serie A team.

Genuinely not comprehending the strategy here.
He doesn’t start for a team that’s 13th in the league currently described by the manager as the worst Manchester United team of all time. The strategy of selling him is fairly simple to comprehend.
 
He doesn’t start for a team that’s 13th in the league currently described by the manager as the worst Manchester United team of all time. The strategy of selling him is fairly simple to comprehend.

The strategy of selling one of our few young goalscorers and buying wingbacks so if things don't work out with Amorim the next manager has no one to give him the same output? That's the "fairly simple" strategy you're talking about? I don't know why you're throwing up that Amorim quote as if it changes anything about how shortsighted this decision would be.
 
The strategy of selling one of our few young goalscorers and buying wingbacks so if things don't work out with Amorim the next manager has no one to give him the same output? That's the "fairly simple" strategy you're talking about? I don't know why you're throwing up that Amorim quote as if it changes anything about how shortsighted this decision would be.
What if we buy a wingback and a winger?
 
He's 20... If he was 25 yeah fair enough but 20 is nothing, he has years of development ahead.
However the fact that he's 20 is the reason why we can sell high this season, as we can argue to the buying club that they also buy for potential. If he's 25 and you just want to sell him then, he'll have less room from improvements and the price for potential isn't going to be as big as now
 
The strategy of selling one of our few young goalscorers and buying wingbacks so if things don't work out with Amorim the next manager has no one to give him the same output? That's the "fairly simple" strategy you're talking about? I don't know why you're throwing up that Amorim quote as if it changes anything about how shortsighted this decision would be.
Yes. The strategy of selling a winger who currently doesn’t start in a very poor team that doesn’t play wingers and is completely devoid of any attacking quality that needs at least 3 top attacking signings to compete at the highest level is fairly simple to comprehend. I’m not sure why everyone is running around shouting about how young he is - this isn’t fecking playgroup - either he’s good enough for this system and fits the profile or he isn’t and doesn’t. His only elite quality is getting the ball facing goal with lots of space in front of him and progressing the ball quickly - that’s it. He’s never going to be a good 10, just like rashford is never going to be a good 10 and just like Antony is never going to be a good 10 - oh look they’re all wingers and we’re trying to flog them all because we don’t play with wingers - what a crazy difficult strategy to comprehend.

Your argument is against the hiring of Amorim and playing this system - which is an entirely different one. Now we’ve done it and we’re all-in then quite obviously selling someone who doesn’t start when we’re at our shittest because he plays in a position we don’t play in to allow us to sign players who do suit the system and will actually play in an effort to try and no longer be at our shittest is the only logical choice to make.
 
None of those clubs (bar Chelsea and Palmer) are as reliant on such a young and raw player to carry their attack, and neither should we. But the solution is to get a reliable, established starter in who would be capable of walking in to throse sides and measuring up to such comparisons, not selling our prospects. What's you're expecting of him is ridiculous - again, none of the other clubs expect anything of that sort from their 20 year olds, even Palmer is one of many options that they're constantly looking to upgrade.
We are not reliant on him.
 
Who do you believe can fetch 50-60m pounds in January?

These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year old like Garnacho and Mainoo.
I wouldn't question the list itself, but I would question the accuracy of the actual salaries themselves. It might be that ballpark though. I'm not sure you've included the no UCL paycut, either?

I agree with your general sentiment though. Everyone on his list should be a key player for the first team, but at the moment it's only Fernandes.
 
The strategy of selling one of our few young goalscorers and buying wingbacks so if things don't work out with Amorim the next manager has no one to give him the same output? That's the "fairly simple" strategy you're talking about? I don't know why you're throwing up that Amorim quote as if it changes anything about how shortsighted this decision would be.
The player we’re interested in buying has the same league goals and assists as Garnacho this season. I haven’t included cup games because Dorgu has only played 158 minutes total, compared to Garnacho’s 11 cup games.

I know minutes are different and that’s a very cherry picked selection of stats, however, it doesn’t mean that it won’t be overall better for the team. Dorgu has been playing left wing back and as a right sided attacker, so it’s not like we’re signing someone who can only play in a very specific system.

I honestly think Garnacho wants out and despite him having more potential than a lot of people seem to give him credit for, I felt like this point would come at some point before he was 25 anyway. It does make sense to take the money now when we need to rebuild the squad.
 
Giving that lot Sancho was one thing, giving them one of our brightest prospects with plenty of room to grow still is another. I’m not at all comfortable with this one.
 
You know what would be really, really fecking stupid? Building a squad which only 1% of top managers could get a tune out of.

And when Amorim is sacked in a few months, we can start by buying the next Antony
Amorim is already here and we need to give him a chance to succeed. I personally think what we should do is make sure any significant investment, is on players who fit his system but are also versatile enough to play in others. For example, Dorgu can play LWB now but acn LB or LCB if Amorim doesn't work out and we go back to a back four.

Another thing we should do is make sure any bespoke players who are specialists in Amorim's system but can't excel in most other systems are low cost signs. This way, it won't be a huge loss if we have to sell them because he's gone and they're not good enough to play anywhere else. A good example is that Nene player from RB Salzburg.

What we shouldn't do is make him play players that aren't suited to his system on the off chance that they may become world beaters.
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.

I believe we are not discussing the same topic. My question was, who can we sell now as you mentioned instead of Garnacho, that can fetch 50-60 million pounds?
  1. Casemiro - £350k - No Interest, not even from Saudi. It was pretty damning when Al Ahli's spokesperson directly said they are not interested
  2. Fernandes - £300k - He wont be sold
  3. Rashford - £300k - No interested whatsoever, loan at best, and not even that might happen now
  4. Mount - £250k - You cant sell him injured
  5. Antony - £200k - - No interested whatsoever, loan at best
  6. De Ligt - £195k - He wont be sold
  7. Maguire - £190k - He wont be sold
  8. Eriksen - £150k - You cant sell him with 4 months left on his contract, as he can already sign for a club outside the UK, and get a nice sign on bonus in the summer
  9. Shaw - £150k - You cant sell him injured
  10. Lindelof - £120k - You cant sell him injured and he has 4 months left on his contract, as he can already sign for a club outside the UK, and get a nice sign on bonus in the summer
I'm not for selling perspective youngsters, however, I do understand the logic. We need money, Ratcliff can not pour more of his money into the club, and we need 2-3 new players.
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.
This pretty much sums up our issue apart from average signings.
I wish you are one of the board member put this for discussion and force the actions.
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.

I think the bolded are already leaving or will leave United come summer. Wage bill wise the club is doing the correct moves. I think that's another discussion entirely.
 
United should follow NBA where the owners will rebuild the team once the dynasty has ended. United should find takers for these players even a free transfer is helpful to save on the wages been paid. Start buying 18-22 young players with athletic, strong, fast with a good engine. Give them 2-3 years of development, sell those who doesn't progress with a back but clause. United needs a rebuild now.Any players above 25 should be consider for sale if they are not in XI.
 
That impact is exaggerated, almost half of his goal contributions have been against a League 2 team and 2nd string relegation candidate in the League Cup. Even last season when he was supposed to be much better than now, he scored in 4 league games out of 36 appearances. He might get you a goal every 7 or 8 appearances while not offering much in general play, United should be able to do better.
Thank you. Anyone stating his all comps G/A is having the wool pulled over their eyes by 1 or 2 easy cup matches where stat padded.

If we look at the the Prem and Europa League this season, he has 4 goals and 1 assist in 27 games (admittedly a few of those from the bench). If we can get get £60m for him then it’s a no brainer from a PSR perspective.
 
Not sure why people are upset we are selling him. Takes a lot of shots and doesn't score many goals. Constantly makes the wrong decision in attack. He is a good player but the last 2 years he has stalled in his progression despite getting a ton of minutes.

I feel this is another instance where we as fans overvalue our own players when in reality they are just ok players, not world beaters like we pretend they are.
He’s 20 and look at his stats already ffs
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.
Do we have to keep going over and over this? It comes down to PSR.

Selling those ten achieves virtually bugger all. The reality is, we'd be booking losses for most of them, which actually REDUCES our budget for 2025/2026. Which one of those listed do you think we can sell for more than their current "book value"?

Conversely, selling Mainoo or Garnacho represents pure profit. If we sell Garnacho for £60m, that effectively means we can sign £300m worth of footballers on 5YR contracts...although...

....obviously you have to factor in the wages of the lads coming in...and THIS is where getting rid of Casemiro, Lindelof, Eriksen etc...does help.

The fact is, we have wasted money on crap and we're going to have to pay the price and sacrifice a homegrown talent.
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.

We can't get rid of them easily because of those wages, as has been discussed before. Some are going to leave in the summer on a free (Lindelof, Eriksen), some were looking for/have gotten loans for (Antony, Rashford) and others just aren't movable because of fitness issues and contract/outstanding amounts on transfer fees (Mount, Shaw, Casemiro). The others are regular players we need right now.

It would be lovely to have Case, Rashford Antony and Shaw off the books without taking a hit, but it's just not feasible. The best we can hope for is an offer from Saudi for Case that helps us break even either now or in the summer, and potentially selling Rashford at an affordable cost if he's willing to take a wages hit on a new contract with a new club. Otherwise it's loans to massage the wage numbers.

No one is disputing the problems, but it's wishful thinking to believe we can just tidy this up right now. Meanwhile Garnacho represents good value as a sale and doesn't appear to be a good fit for the system.
 
I would absolutely hate to sell Garnacho. People say he does not for the system but there is a not so small chance Amorim won‘t be here in the long term and the next guy wants some traditional wingers and Garnacho has the potential to become one of the best in this position.
 
It’s widely accepted we have one of the worst collection of attacking players in the top 10, we need at least 3 top signings in that area to ever hope to challenge for big trophies and despite our “star” attacker in rashford being awol Garnacho doesn’t start…oh and he plays in a position Amorim doesn’t actually play. Explain how it’s disgusting? Flogging him abroad for 60+ million would be the most logical thing we’ve done in 11 years.

Because I reckon we are going to end up regretting it and it highlights how much of an utter shitshow our squad is, that we have to sell the likes of Garnacho instead of being able to off load the likes of Casemiro/Rashford/Antony etc.

Its a result of utterly disgraceful management over the years hence my disgust.


Also the post above somes it up quite well but I cant quote it for some reason.
 
It would be madness to sell him, specially for the low prices recorded by journalists.

Who do you replace him with? Yamal? Barcelona will ask for 180-200. Arda Güller? Madrid will ask por 120-150. Wirtz or Musiala? Will cost at least 100.

You simply don’t sell your top talents.

I will start seriously doubting Ineos if they let him go, and replace him with a lesser player.

First of all, 3 of those 4 players you listed are some of the best in the world already in their positions, except for Güler (who won't even cost half of 150m if Madrid decides to sell him) with their career trajectory looking like being the best players of their generation with genuine Ballon d'Or potential.

Garnacho is nowhere near that bracket and clearly doesn't have the potential to arrive there one day, either.

Secondly, here's a list of players that are attainable or likely will become attainable in the next few windows, because this notion that we cannot replace him is just becoming ridiculous now.

Most of these players are superior to Garnacho IMO, especially in the number 10 role. I don't think anyone on the list can be considered objectively inferior to him, either.

Mohammed Kudus
Morgan Gibbs-White
Matheus Cunha
Morgan Rogers
Tyler Dibling
Antoine Semenyo
Nico Williams
Arda Güler
Rodrygo Goes
Xavi Simons
Mathys Tel
Jamie Gittens
Rafa Leao
Kenan Yildiz
Nico Paz
Ademola Lookman
Desire Doue
Rayan Cherki
Bradley Barcola
Pedro Goncalves

You're right that we shouldn't sell our top talents...but those are Yoro, Mainoo, Hojlund, Amad, and potentially a couple of kids that are still playing in the academy. Garnacho is just a good talent.

He had a purple patch when he was bothered, he still had limits, but decided to play to his best attributes. However he has never been in the Suarez, Rooney, Aguero category for me. He could have of he applied himself like Rooney or Ronaldo.

But unfortunately, Gernacho inherited his bad habits, maybe even got too big for his boots, hence both of them getting dropped.

Rashford is 27 with 3 bad seasons under his belt in his career so far, including the current one. Coincidentally, in all of those three seasons United have collectively been performing like a mid-table side, and we're talking about three of the four worst seasons in the last 30 years, with the only comparable one being 13/14 under Moyes...and you're trying to tell me Rashford only has purple patches. 7 good seasons and 3 terrible ones in abysmal teams equals purple patch. Let's not continue this discussion I think.
 
Putting aside his ability, selling him would be a bold move which if invested well would see us progress much faster than the conservative way we have handled the transfer market the last 10 years.

If we sell him and bring in Cunha its a win, plus however much more we have to amortize on 3 other players.
 
I would absolutely hate to sell Garnacho. People say he does not for the system but there is a not so small chance Amorim won‘t be here in the long term and the next guy wants some traditional wingers and Garnacho has the potential to become one of the best in this position.

Then we need to sack Amorim. There's no point bringing in a manager who has a dogmatic approach to a system then not working with him to build a squad that fits that system. We can't keep players around because of future possibilities like the manager going, because firstly it will hinder Garnacho's development. But also, it leaves us with a mishmash squad that will cause the manager to fail anyway.

I get that failure from previous managers makes us all expect this to fail, but you have to keep trying until you get it right. Don't get me wrong, I think going for a manager who's style differs so radically from the previous ones is odd, but it's happened now.
 
I think people forget he's 20. In an ideal world he's rotating in and out of a competent team, but we've ended up pinning most hopes on him and other players of similar ages.

Would be sad if we were to sell him. I think in terms of attacking metrics he's still up there with some of the best young players in the world. Sure he makes awful decisions at times but he's a kid. He only learns as he ages. Technically he's lacking a bit and sometimes I do feel he's a bit of a kick and run player, but I don't really see how selling one of the better of a bad bunch of attackers at such a young age would benefit us.
 
These are United's top 10 earners:
  1. Casemiro - £350k
  2. Fernandes - £300k
  3. Rashford - £300k
  4. Mount - £250k
  5. Antony - £200k
  6. De Ligt - £195k
  7. Maguire - £190k
  8. Eriksen - £150k
  9. Shaw - £150k
  10. Lindelof - £120k
Seven of these ten are not even playing - between them, these seven are taking £77m per year in salary. These should be United's star players and key members of the first XI - instead, they are contributing absolutely nothing. That is United's problem. Salaries are the real cost in football, not transfer fees and I'd much rather get rid of this lot than sell off promising 19/20 year olds like Garnacho and Mainoo.

I think everyone here would prefer to sell those players. No one wants to buy them though.
 
From a Chelsea supporter’s perspective I think it’s absolutely fecking insane that this is a genuine possibility. We are already a squad filled to the brim with young, pretty raw players all over the pitch and with many more to come in this summer, including in the attacking areas. Yet we’re going after another attacking midfielder who is young and super raw for a ridiculous sum of money?

We are desperate beyond belief for a lethal #9 and have been for as long as I can remember and yet we may offer 70m for Garnacho? This is just mind boggling.
 
I'm just telling myself that Man Utd is not the right environment for any young player to reach their full potential and that Garnacho will not develop here as people are hoping. Cash in.