Amad is a bit of a late bloomer. Garnacho was more physically developed than Amad hence him getting a chance in the first team and Amad going to the Championship.
They have played roughly the same amount of professional games.
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They have played roughly the same amount of professional games.
Garnacho and Amad are not at similar levels. What is the Caf smoking
100M obviously.
It's not about being underwhelming or not. In his best appearances, what has Garnacho shown that there's a potential world class player in there? Can he dribble from a standpoint? Can he pick out a pass to unlock defences? Finishing ability? Raw pace where he leaves defenders in the dust? Any semblance of physicality to hold off defenders? Or what about his selfishness?
What exactly has he shown in his 120 odd appearances that people feel we will miss out on? He's tenacious and keeps trying that's about it. He's nothing more than average and he hasn't shown that he can get better in those aspects so far. The only thing that can get better from this point on is his decision making. The other weaknesses are very hard to improve that much.
I've supported the decision to rotate Amad alongside others but you could always see he had way more technical ability than Garnacho and Rashford. He was lacking in his end product which he seems to have added now. Garnacho looks potentially a solid midtable PL winger nothing more than that. Certainly nowhere near world class potential or that we shouldn't be selling him no matter what.
Technically he was
It was just an arbitrary number to explain the amortization process.
Fair enough.
It's either the Glazer-Jimbo axis or Qatar.
Depends which principles are which.
They have; although it's clearly logical to point out that Garnacho's have all come under the Manchester United spotlight while Amad was able to go far more under the radar in Scotland and the Championship. As a result, Garnacho's faults and struggles have been amplified, whereas Amad's have been largely swept aside (and rightly so; he was a young player in a foreign country out on loan). Even in the last month there have been matches Amad has practicually ghosted through and they're largely being ignored because, rightly, he is performing in other games and more importantly, he's a young player with whom you will always see inconsistencies. I'm not even against Garnacho moving on if the fee is right, the right clauses are put in place and the money is properly reinvested, but it's completely unreasonable to look past Amad being two years ahead of Garnacho mentally and in his overall learning of the game - particularly now we have a manager who's game is far more suited to Amad's game than Garnacho's, one was given the time to learn and adapt and I don't think it's unfair to suggest the other should be too.
I do think it's a statement of how far we have fallen if we consider selling Garnacho.
Every season we have a youngster in the academy that we are all excited about and want to rush into the first team as the new hope and saviour of our problems (see Amass, Obi-Martin for this season for example). So a few seasons ago we did that with Garnacho....and now at 20 years old he's not good enough, doesn't have enough output, etc! Some of these players need time, patience and development, and will have bad patches! The lad scored in the FA Cup final a few months ago! And we have all forgot about the trio celebration with Mainoo and Hoijlund pretty quick!!
Plus if we are selling him because he is not good enough for United, then we need to hold a mirror up because Chelsea and Napoli are both progressing better than us in 13th at the minute! So sell to improve other teams, while limiting options for ourselves, great strategy!
I love that we got Amorim in, but we can't sell a player because we are never going to play a winger ever again! How about being flexible in formation or tactics, or having players adapt to player secondary roles. SAF teams were full of adaptable players!
Disappointing that we are selling a player at 20 years old was being hailed as one our new superstars last season.
Every season we have a youngster in the academy that we are all excited about and want to rush into the first team as the new hope and saviour of our problems (see Amass, Obi-Martin for this season for example). So a few seasons ago we did that with Garnacho....and now at 20 years old he's not good enough, doesn't have enough output, etc! Some of these players need time, patience and development, and will have bad patches! The lad scored in the FA Cup final a few months ago! And we have all forgot about the trio celebration with Mainoo and Hoijlund pretty quick!!
Plus if we are selling him because he is not good enough for United, then we need to hold a mirror up because Chelsea and Napoli are both progressing better than us in 13th at the minute! So sell to improve other teams, while limiting options for ourselves, great strategy!
I love that we got Amorim in, but we can't sell a player because we are never going to play a winger ever again! How about being flexible in formation or tactics, or having players adapt to player secondary roles. SAF teams were full of adaptable players!
Disappointing that we are selling a player at 20 years old was being hailed as one our new superstars last season.
I wish there was a non state full sale option
This is such speculative nonsense.
Yeah dreadful source
Napoli wouldn't bid if they don't have an agreement with a player
You would think so yes.
Interesting no one reliable talking about offering a discounted price for Osimhen in return for smooth negotiations, looks like nothing in that unfortunately
I did say a few months ago that he'd be sold in the Summer given he doesn't seem to match Amorim's system - but I am surprised if it happens in January. Would be a hell of a deal for Napoli.
He's clearly talented, but we support the club and not the player. He just doesn't fit in Amorim's system and it just won't work for him unless he shows some moments of individual brilliance. For us to win games week in week out, we need players who function in the system. Sounds glaringly obvious.
He's clearly talented, but we support the club and not the player. He just doesn't fit in Amorim's system and it just won't work for him unless he shows some moments of individual brilliance. For us to win games week in week out, we need players who function in the system. Sounds glaringly obvious.
Garancho sale is dependant on Ineos more than Amorim.
I recreckon INeos are in charge of transfers and Amorim has to use whats at his disposal.
I recreckon INeos are in charge of transfers and Amorim has to use whats at his disposal.
I don't support INEOS whatsoever, like I said in my previous post I wanted a full sale option
I believe so
I think it's more a sign of how we overrate or react to young players coming through. Maybe we should cool our jets before we anoint young players as potential world class?
Chelsea spent, what, £100m on Mudryk? Just because they are willing to spend a lot of money it doesn't mean Garnacho is of a level or will be of a level to meet that transfer fee.
We dont really have many players that fit the system, as others have said we need to build a first team. And flexibility and adaptation doesn't mean walking away from the principles of the general style of play or formation.
The statement of how far the club has fallen are the performances on the pitch.
When he was linked with Chelsea on the last deadline day Kaveh Solhekal reported that he is asking Chelsea for 300k per week which is the same we would save if Rashford goes and less than what we'll save if Casemiro goes.
Im not sure he has been a big problem for Napoli, I think he fell out with them because of something that was posted on their social media that he felt was mocking him.
Totally agree.
City just gave Marmoush 300k per week
This is a sale we will likely regret, very sad turning point in the clubs history. We aren't even linked with any attacking players.
I think some are just in a frenzy about our current situation and want shiny new toys ASAP. I can understand the desperation but I also think it will be a big shame to give up on a big talent this early. The mismanagement of the club has put us in this position, unfortunately.
Funny or realistc? I would go for the latter.Really? That's quite funny
260 apparently. I would say Marmoush is a better player.
Well we know who to blame and it's not Ruben
Plus Mainoo doesn't have the physicality or athleticism.
He's not a more proven striker, exactly what we still lack, than Osimhen at all.
Osimhen is proven in 3 different leagues/countries at just a year older than Marmoush
Well yeah obviously. Funny because of people on here rating him.
This is the best news of January. Anyone telling otherwise are deluded. Absolutely dreadful performances whole season. Have very very poor decision making and misses chance after chance. Do not suit the system so better cashout and go for someone that actually can perform.
I'd prefer to keep Garnacho, at least through the end of the season to see how he adapts to Amorim's system, but I've really lowered my opinion of his potential over the last 2 seasons. I don't think his technical or physical level will ever put him in the top bracket of attacking players and the logic of getting in a big fee for him which opens up the possibility to fund purchases that better suit the system and raise our floor, again, technically and physically has merit even if I get why it feels soulless or cold to many supporters.
Technically Amad is pretty much the same player as he was two years ago, physically obviously not. Amad has always had elite attributes, which is the main reason people have had high hopes for him even when he wasn't performing.
Garnacho has no elite attributes, and isn't especially good at anything, even when he's performing.
Think we would keep him if those clowns at the top hadn't put us in such a PSR mess
Yea more proven, no doubt, but I don't think he has the same level of talent. I do not think Osimhem is the type of striker that would world well for us, but if we buy him I will go in with an open mind.