I will say it once again to the people who say don't sell him, so who else can we get money for in our current situation. I have already said ideally we don’t sell him but how else do we get cash.
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I feel like he's a bit of a bad egg too
Yep! It's too attractive not to sell.
I say this for everyone humming and ah'ing in general about the Garnacho sale. Consider the following, in bold for emphasis :-
If we sell Garnacho for the 60m pounds that we're asking, would would be able to spend 180m pounds due to PSR rules!
This, for a player that doesn't fit the system too! Amorim would be able to bring in 3-4 of his own guys just for offloading an underperforming player who doesn't fit his system.
More folks should be happy about these developments and not upset!
I think we both need to do it as the squad is in dire need of reinforcements (for the right price £60m+), but will also regret losing a player with such potential in the years to come.
Both things can be true.
Both things can be true.
Spot on.
I will say it once again, why are you defending the Glazers and Sir Jim Glazer, the fact the club can't afford players isnt on the club, its exclusively on the owners, and you are absolving them of guilt and making excuses for them.
Why should the biggest football team in the world be held back by the reluctance of the owners to properly invest?
I can't believe we have gotten to the point where fans are arguing to sell one of our most promising players in decades because it will help the glazers out financially. It's amazing how easily people are brainwashed, stand up for some principles once in a while.
€70 million from Napoli and never encounter him again or €100 million from Chelsea and face him at least twice a year for years.
Yeah that's a very valid point
It would be sad if he's sold.
But he's a frustrating player in that he can't really dribble well. To me, a great winger can beat players from a standing start as well as at pace.
I know he's 20 but typically tricky wingers are at their dribbling best when they are young and simply iron out decision making into their mid 20s.
He's productive and is confident and has intensity. But will he develop dribbling, passing, protecting the ball and decision making? I'm not sure.
But he's a frustrating player in that he can't really dribble well. To me, a great winger can beat players from a standing start as well as at pace.
I know he's 20 but typically tricky wingers are at their dribbling best when they are young and simply iron out decision making into their mid 20s.
He's productive and is confident and has intensity. But will he develop dribbling, passing, protecting the ball and decision making? I'm not sure.
2nd option because I think he's overrated just because he's a young player. Similar to Januzaj.
Don't ever accuse me of defending those Yankee leeches and that rat. If you look at my posts it's obvious I am INEOS OUT. I just don’t know where we get money from for players that we so desperately need right now
£300 million if we had the cash.
So can anyone who understands PSR properly explain how a sale of say £60m means £180m to spend or am I misunderstanding
£60 million allows you to spend up to £300 million in theory due to amortisation as you can spread the cost over the length of the contract (up to 5 years)
They got 75m euros for Kvara, just give that money to United now.
The way Chelsea operate they will need to sell some of those players in the summer though. They've got themselves in a situation where they constantly need to buy and sell players.
Let’s say we get 60m for Garnacho, its considered pure profit. and any incomings can have their cost spread over 5 years.
then say we sign three players for total of 180m, but we spread it over 5 years, So for one year it’s actually 36m on the books.Means you could buy three 60m players with the £60m Garnacho money and still have £24m left over on the current per year.
€70m package and agree a €50m deal for Osimhen?
Cheers for clearing that up
2 years ago Amad was very underwhelming in many of his appearances.
He still has poor games now.
Young players are up and down, they all are, scholes, giggs and the rest included. We used to have patience and let them develop.
Now people want to sell, and for what?
12 years ago we had wayne rooney and robin van persie as our forwards.
Now we have two kids. And everyone seems to think giving MORE money to the people who did that is the answer?
Jesus christ.
Would be nice to take him from under Chelsea's nose as they are convinced he joins in summer
I presume wages are factored into that though?
Even though my stance on this sale has softened, I still think it’s sad. It wouldn’t be happening right now if the clubs finances weren’t a total mess.
I don't believe wages count.
I would let him go if there is any club thats genuinely interested in signing him, maybe offer him to Napoli in exchange for Victor Oshimen and 10m
Where is the £180 million coming from? Assuming we had the cashflow to purchase the players £60 million in profit allows up to £300 Million in spending.
Well wages are naturally calculated that way because they are paid that way rather than one lump sum. The wage bill obviously is part of PSR calculations but this wouldn't make any difference to how it's calculated.
Yes that's what I meant.
Do Napoli have a clause to recall Osimhen? Then it would actually be an interesting option. Garnacho + 10m for Victor
Hyperbole is not going to help you, even if you were remotely correct.
What's hyperbolic about that statement?
Although on a macro level it does seem to be having the overall effect of longer contracts with potentially lower weekly wages.
Happening to all clubs and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. Different discussion though.
Osimhen wants ridiculously high wages and is probably already on a pretty good amount. Add to that he has been a bit of a problem for the club hasn't he? Isn't this what we're trying to avoid?
Neither was Amad when he was Garnacho's age ffs.
"Nowhere near" is a term you'd use to compare Buffon and Onana. One is a solid 9/10 and the other is a 6 at best. Garnacho and Amad are on very similar levels, but recency bias dictates that Garnacho is shit now and Amad is the next best thing.
Amad is a bit of a late bloomer. Garnacho was more physically developed than Amad hence him getting a chance in the first team and Amad going to the Championship.
They have played roughly the same amount of professional games.
Garnacho and Amad are not at similar levels. What is the Caf smoking
100M obviously.
It's not about being underwhelming or not. In his best appearances, what has Garnacho shown that there's a potential world class player in there? Can he dribble from a standpoint? Can he pick out a pass to unlock defences? Finishing ability? Raw pace where he leaves defenders in the dust? Any semblance of physicality to hold off defenders? Or what about his selfishness?
What exactly has he shown in his 120 odd appearances that people feel we will miss out on? He's tenacious and keeps trying that's about it. He's nothing more than average and he hasn't shown that he can get better in those aspects so far. The only thing that can get better from this point on is his decision making. The other weaknesses are very hard to improve that much.
I've supported the decision to rotate Amad alongside others but you could always see he had way more technical ability than Garnacho and Rashford. He was lacking in his end product which he seems to have added now. Garnacho looks potentially a solid midtable PL winger nothing more than that. Certainly nowhere near world class potential or that we shouldn't be selling him no matter what.
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