Name me 20 year old premier league proven attackers than Napoli and Chelsea want for £60m?
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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Name me 20 year old premier league proven attackers than Napoli and Chelsea want for £60m?
United are currently paying the wage of their best winger. Don’t listen to them.
The views in here on Garnacho are all over the place? Hardly an echo chamber.
Ridiculous decision if we let him go. One of the few real talents we have in the squad. I still replay that bicycle kick at Everton. Absolute world class strike.
I'd trade Garnacho if it means we get two great wingbacks and we can not rely on Dalot, Shaw or Malacia ever again.
One we get those pieces working well this year even as a write off year we can get the forward line in a great shape next year once Rashford leaves and we free up some wage budget from other players contract expiry
One we get those pieces working well this year even as a write off year we can get the forward line in a great shape next year once Rashford leaves and we free up some wage budget from other players contract expiry
Truly believe that £60m for him would be the best bit of business we've done sales wise in well over a decade but that's viewed as a derisory bid seemingly
You're just trying to boost your argument with these specific descriptions.
I'll show you a list instead of wingers and number 10s who moved in the past 2 years for not more than 60m, with most, if not all of them being better players than Garnacho with higher potential ceilings too:
Neto, Gordon, Olise, Kudus, Barcola, Palmer, Cunha, Dembelé, Maddison, Johnson, Doku, Minteh, Doué, Olmo, Diaby
So why exactly would Garnacho be hard to replace? Also, if we can't replace someone like Garnacho, at least another decade of mediocrity awaits anyways, because it's really not a difficult task to do, espcially for a club with the resources that United have, plus the size and expertise of our scouting department. Not being able to adequately replace him is almost impossible, considering how there are great attacker prospects available on the market basically every summer.
A list of players several years old than the 20 year old. Thought so.
Welcome to 5-3-2 United where we play with 7 defensive players against a midtable team at Old Trafford and two of our most exciting young player coming through doesn't fit in any position.
Why does that matter? Do you assume Garnacho will turn into a world class player just because of the level he's showed from 18 to 20?
Amazing how quickly things change in football. When he scored in the FA Cup Final in May, I don't think people would expect him to be half way out the door a few months later.
He doesn't suit Amorim's system and is a saleable asset so I get it, but when a manager's shelf life is short these days it could prove to be a daft decision long term if he is sold. Time will tell.
He doesn't suit Amorim's system and is a saleable asset so I get it, but when a manager's shelf life is short these days it could prove to be a daft decision long term if he is sold. Time will tell.
I’m not surprised Chelsea fans are saying that because their squad is already very stocked of players Garnacho’s age and prospect. They need more maturity in their squad. That doesn’t make Garnacho a bad player, it’s just Chelsea don’t need to take a risk buying him.
I don't like this, he may not be great but the fact we are selling an attacker that looks at least vaguely capable of scoring a goal while we are stuck with utter dross because we allowed ETH to spend money on utter crap, before then keeping him in the summer despite the garbage season, and not only keeping him, but allowing him to waste even more money, is inexcusable on Ineos imo.
Let's sell one of the few players that actually gets fans excited, great stuff. Yes he may not fit RA system, but I'd rather keep him until the summer, as he at least vaguely looks capable of doing something, while the likes of Antony clearly aren't, and Rashy and his ego need to also be sent packing
We have 2 inept strikers, perma sick notes, and just utter mediocrity throughout the squad, but let's sell a player who's capable of creating chances and scoring.
Let's sell one of the few players that actually gets fans excited, great stuff. Yes he may not fit RA system, but I'd rather keep him until the summer, as he at least vaguely looks capable of doing something, while the likes of Antony clearly aren't, and Rashy and his ego need to also be sent packing
We have 2 inept strikers, perma sick notes, and just utter mediocrity throughout the squad, but let's sell a player who's capable of creating chances and scoring.
Pissing away this potential for a system and manager that most likely won't be here in 2/3 years time.
Don't think it's worth selling. I have no faith in them reinvesting wisely.
Pissing away this potential for a system and manager that most likely won't be here in 2/3 years time.
Yes. With proper coaching, in a functioning team, he can push on and be much better.
Pissing away this potential for a system and manager that most likely won't be here in 2/3 years time.
What does this prove about Garnacho's potential?
At the "who gives a feck" stage to be honest. Sell them all. Bring in people just as shit. Why not. feck it. Put the prices of cups of tea up in the canteen as well. I'm numb to this ownership.
How is he going to do that? He's good at most things but not exceptional at anything. What's going to significantly change about his game?
Really? That's quite funny
Imagine we sell Garna, and keep Rash. I would be genuinely gutted.
I'm okay with him being sold, even to Chelsea. The bigger worry I have is not how good Garnacho will be but how we might waste the money on a worse option.
Potential is nothing. How many promising players go to shit? How many decent looking players have United come through that turned out not very good?Pissing away this potential for a system and manager that most likely won't be here in 2/3 years time.
The argument can be reversed, how many managers go to shit, what's to say Amorim is going to break the cycle?
I'd at least hang onto a player who has been improving season by season (rare for our players). There is much more shit in this club to sell.
Check his response to my defence of Garnacho in an earlier post.Really? That's quite funny
Indeed and truth is somewhere in the middle. He's good, could be great but nothing more. He'll have the same limitations Rashford has had basically.
I don't for a second believe he's being forced out so if he doesn't want to be here then it's fine as long as we get decent money.
Thats like me asking you how are you so sure that he won’t do it. We are both guessing. He might, he might not. I don’t expect United to sell exciting young talents.
This season and last month. You can surely see that with names like Duran, Neves, Gittens and Delap.
If we can't scout some good players to replace him with £70m then we might as well just keep promoting new random forwards from the U21s and selling them every 5 years as we're not going to win anything anyway. Nothing against Garnacho but I doubt he's going to be world class, he seemingly wants out, and we have a number of holes to fill in the squad. We may also get some sort of sell on clause for him which may not be of negligible value given what his resale ought to be if he moved on again.
Not sure what his upside is that people want to hang on to. For his athletic build, he needs to be a lot better on the ball than he is for me to think theres a great player here.
Guessing? I just told you he's not exceptional at anything. If you disagree with that, I'd like you to elaborate on that and tell me what he's so great at. IMO he has a good base level, but what trait will he suddenly develop to a level that will make him world class? He doesn't have exceptional pace, acceleration, power, carrying ability, ball striking, passing, crossing, decision making, 1v1s, technique, athleticism, physique, creativity, etc.
He has a good base level to be a solid Premier League level winger with good output. He's also a hard worker, and he's relentless, which is probably his best trait.
But what exactly is going to make him explode into a world class player? I don't see anything in his game that's outstanding, or anything that could develop into outstanding, even if it isn't at that level right now.
It also says a lot that you are like the 5th poster I'm having this conversation as well, and no one has answered my question yet. It's always just his age, the stats, the Puskas award, etc. that gets brought up as to why we should keep him or why he has "massive potential".
He's a good talent, but he's not a special talent. Mainoo is a special talent. Yoro is a special talent. Even Hojlund can be coached into a special player because he has the tools, and the stuff he doesn't have yet can be taught and coached into him. Rashford and Martial at 20 were outstanding, and very much special talents. Shaw as well at 20 before the leg break. You could see that based on ability, the sky is the limit for these kinds of players.
Garnacho is nowhere near these guys at the same age. And players never outgrow their profiles. His profile is just not valuable enough to be considered an unsellable asset and if a club offers 60m for him, it's probably around what he would realistically cost at his peak, which he hasn't entered yet presumably...so why wouldn't you sell him?
Uhm, no actually, there isn’t and that’s the issue.
This is the sort of thing city do to be fair. They sell there youngsters and make quite a bit of money of it. I doubt we’d be even thinking about it if it wasn’t for the new FFP rules.
Wait what is Mainoo’s special talent? And what tools or outstanding quality do you see that suggests Hojlund is special talent in comparison to Garnacho not being one?
How are the two anywhere close to Rashford or Martial at 20?
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I just don't see it also, he is no young Ronaldo or Rooney, where you see the raw talent and it just needs a bit of honing. Gernacho and Rashford seem at the same level where they are decent nothing special.
There is. The problem is other teams know that too which is why they won’t touch them with a barge pole.
You aren’t a scout or an oracle or whatever. You can’t tell the future. You are guessing. I think he will improve, that’s my opinion. Deal with it.
Fantastic if we can get £50m+ for him, has no standout attributes, not that quick, average dribbler, passing is ok but nothing in him makes me think he is going to be one of the best players in the league/or even close and we need to aim for that.
I'm not greedy. Palmer would do.
Were being linked with Néné Dorgeles as a replacement for Garnacho. Seems like the new structure is all about signing young talent and hopefully developing them rather than well known stars.