Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Sandikan said:
It might, and stay with me on this one, might be something to do with being a winger, and us not playing wingers any more?
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You are probably right. Just sad to see that he seems to have lost a lot of the flair that made him exciting to watch in his first season.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
You are probably right. Just sad to see that he seems to have lost a lot of the flair that made him exciting to watch in his first season.
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I think he's hesitant and lacking confidence. Very much an instinct player and is taking too long to make decisions, usually the wrong one at the moment and it makes him look like he's lost a yard of pace.
 
Tallis said:
Agreed. Whoever backs down should be asked to leave redcafe and find another club (similar to Rashford)
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Well given his embarrassing love affair with a failing Ten Hag over the past year, I’m guessing VP would be happy to take whichever club he ends up at.
 
I didn’t really see that huge an issue with selling him for a big fee. That was until I was reminded by how atrocious the rest of our attacking options are, and now I’m worried. Imagine spending the money from his sale on players like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I didn’t really see that huge an issue with selling him for a big fee. That was until I was reminded by how atrocious the rest of our attacking options are, and now I’m worried. Imagine spending the money from his sale on players like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
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We shouldn't be scared to loose anyone in this group. He's not as good as Rashford under Mourinho and Rashford under Mourinho wasn't a guaranteed starter and even that side wasn't good enough to compete with the best.
Is this fear of loosing a gem that the likes of Rashford and Martial leveraged to put up mediocre performances and keep their places.
We must show ruthlessness to keep the players on their toes.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I didn’t really see that huge an issue with selling him for a big fee. That was until I was reminded by how atrocious the rest of our attacking options are, and now I’m worried. Imagine spending the money from his sale on players like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
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Keeping a player who’s half arsed and just shoots all the time isn’t going to be great. I think he’s wanted out since he got some flack online and that knob who was giving him shite from the United stand incident.
I’d expect Ruben to have a decent amount of input on replacements and he’s going to have a fair idea of the profile of player we need.
 
I think he'll go by the end of the window for about £50 million plus add ons.

My worry is that he won't be replaced and then the attack is even worse.
 
Trex said:
We shouldn't be scared to loose anyone in this group. He's not as good as Rashford under Mourinho and Rashford under Mourinho wasn't a guaranteed starter and even that side wasn't good enough to compete with the best.
Is this fear of loosing a gem that the likes of Rashford and Martial leveraged to put up mediocre performances and keep their places.
We must show ruthlessness to keep the players on their toes.
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Agreed. Nobody in this group of players has come anywhere near the quality and consistency of performance to be labelled indispensable.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I didn’t really see that huge an issue with selling him for a big fee. That was until I was reminded by how atrocious the rest of our attacking options are, and now I’m worried. Imagine spending the money from his sale on players like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
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I’m know and especially in January, someone like Cunha would be great for us but there’s no way Wolves sell him to us unless it’s an extortionate fee.

But the reality is we need so many players that if we can’t improve our recruitment it’s completely irrelevant whether we sell Garnacho or not.

I think he will go in the next week or so, Antony, Malacia and Rashford will al go on loan as well. The big problem will be when only 1 or 2 come in and they won’t be of the profile a lot are expecting.
 
Roboc7 said:
I’m know and especially in January, someone like Cunha would be great for us but there’s no way Wolves sell him to us unless it’s an extortionate fee.

But the reality is we need so many players that if we can’t improve our recruitment it’s completely irrelevant whether we sell Garnacho or not.
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We need to try though we can't maintain things as it is. We're not heading in any positive direction at the moment.
 
Trex said:
We need to try though we can't maintain things as it is. We're not heading in any positive direction at the moment.
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I agree we have to try something or we may as well just give up, There has to be an injection of money from somewhere and we have to be realistic about who we can actually sell to do it.

It’s a nice idea selling Casemiro to Saudi Arabia but the reality is we’ll have to pay him off to go or let him see out his contact. And we have too many players like that.
 
Roboc7 said:
I agree we have to try something or we may as well just give up, There has to be an injection of money from somewhere and we have to be realistic about who we can actually sell to do it.

It’s a nice idea selling Casemiro to Saudi Arabia but the reality is we’ll have to pay him off to go or let him see out his contact. And we have too many players like that.
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Agreed, yeah Garnacho doesn't fit into any position within the new managers system and he's the guy who can fetch decent money and also being counted as a youth product is a bonus for psr.
I do like him and he's young enough to be coached (if he's willing) but the club needs to be practical.
 
It'd be good for him and I hope he takes it. For a young player, escaping from this graveyard is all that matters.
 
Garnacho like Rashford is suited to playing on the break when he can get in behind and use his pace, right now he is going backwards, the more the games go pm the less I see from him, right now it is hard to judge because all the players are trash but can only see him leaving at some point, may as well sell when the price is at its highest
 
He needs a change of scenery. The formation we are trying to play doesn't suit him. He is the most likely player to generate funds. His effectiveness in this formation is poor. So all in all I'm prepared to lose him provided we get some alternative in. His attitude and football IQ doesn't strike me as elite level talent so I would be ok with cashing in on him.
 
I mean, if he wants to go we should probably let him go (for the right price).

I'm never one to really think we should be striving to keep players here that simply don't want to play for us. (unless they're just throwing a tantrum or something)
 
Roboc7 said:
I’m know and especially in January, someone like Cunha would be great for us but there’s no way Wolves sell him to us unless it’s an extortionate fee.

But the reality is we need so many players that if we can’t improve our recruitment it’s completely irrelevant whether we sell Garnacho or not.

I think he will go in the next week or so, Antony, Malacia and Rashford will al go on loan as well. The big problem will be when only 1 or 2 come in and they won’t be of the profile a lot are expecting.
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Just extended and with our limited budget, it's just an impossible signing.
 
Pretty clear he's leaving if we're talking to Dorgu.

A shame. Whilst he's completely out of form, he's still only 20 and there's potential there to be a very good player.

I wonder if we'll put a buy back clause in the contract.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I didn’t really see that huge an issue with selling him for a big fee. That was until I was reminded by how atrocious the rest of our attacking options are, and now I’m worried. Imagine spending the money from his sale on players like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
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The issue is that at the moment he could spiral downwards and be just like them in a couple of years. If we are keeping Amorim, more likely we are, we need to support him with suitable players to give him a fair chance.
 
hellhunter said:
Some question marks if they'd get in each others way, but sounds juicy enough on paper for me
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You'd just need a top striker and I'd be happy with that midfield/forward line going forward.

-------------------Striker---------------------
-----------Cunha--------Bruno------------
Dorgu - Mainoo - Ugarte - Amad

Obviously could put in Maz/Dalot if you wanted to be a bit more defensive at times too.
 
SonOfFergie said:
He needs a change of scenery. The formation we are trying to play doesn't suit him. He is the most likely player to generate funds. His effectiveness in this formation is poor. So all in all I'm prepared to lose him provided we get some alternative in. His attitude and football IQ doesn't strike me as elite level talent so I would be ok with cashing in on him.
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Spot on.
 
Berbaclass said:
Where are all the apologists today? Another game with zero impact.
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I, for one, am not an apologist, I just referenced his recent assists, the fact that he's the sort to get you off your seat and expressed my disappointment should he end up going.
That said, I'm not into player fandom. I support the team and the manager and if he thinks Garnacho isn't quite a fit for him and his sale makes FFP and PSR sense then so be it.
I don't really care what the names on the shirts say, I care how the team performs regardless of the personnel.
 
I dont want to sell him.

I know he is not there yet and that he has room for improvement, but what 20 year old does not? He has a lot of potential, we should not be selling Academy players like this...
 
freddie the red said:
I, for one, am not an apologist, I just referenced his recent assists, the fact that he's the sort to get you off your seat and expressed my disappointment should he end up going.
That said, I'm not into player fandom. I support the team and the manager and if he thinks Garnacho isn't quite a fit for him and his sale makes FFP and PSR sense then so be it.
I don't really care what the names on the shirts say, I care how the team performs regardless of the personnel.
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I was joking mate. I think Garnacho has got stuck in a bit of a rut and I think it would be very difficult for him to turn it around and progress here. He started out promising a few years ago but has developed some bad habits.

I will say that in the last few games (aside from yesterday), he did seem to be trying to be more of a team player and be a bit smarter with his decision-making.

Ultimately the club has failed him by almost forcing him to play at times due to other poor attacking players around him, which was probably not the best for his overall development.
 
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