He's not even exciting to watch anymore.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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What are you on about? Read the tweet. It's about the player Garnacho. The tweet reads there is expectation but on their terms. I said that's weird to say, and it was obvious that it was in the context of that tweet.
Now you're deciding to argue about what is or isn't normal, then arguing about what the quotes were then arguing about the tweet. And your purposely being obtuse about what the tweet was saying when it's so clear. Come on mate.
Best 20 y/o on the league without a doubt at failing to beat his man or smashing it into the side netting.
Take the money and run.
Again, the first half of the full quote is about replacing Kvara. Have you not bothered to read the full quote? No wonder you’re confused.
Have you not bothered to follow my debate with the other poster where it was obvious I was looking at the tweet?
This is dead clear. Why are you struggling so much? I read the tweet. I said that's weird. You're now arguing with yourself about made up things, having changed the topic 3 times.
He is too easily shrugged off the ball, very weak body strength and balance but his dribbling is meant to be his key attribute. Not sure what his strengths are even when we are evaluating him as a winger, let alone a 10 in this system.
I would definitely sell and reinvest the money for a new 10 and LWB.
I would definitely sell and reinvest the money for a new 10 and LWB.
No attacking player had any real impact, didn’t we only have 1 shot on target?
I will keep him. Selling him in Jan is a huge mistake. We won't even know what happens to this manager before end of the season.
Can we afford not to sell him given the scale of the rebuild required. Maybe he’ll get a lot better maybe he won’t, add a sell on clause as some insurance maybe.
It’s not even a reflection on Garnacho just the state of the squad in general and the reality that so many of them are so difficult to get rid of.
It’s not even a reflection on Garnacho just the state of the squad in general and the reality that so many of them are so difficult to get rid of.
Honestly if we can get 50/60mill I say sell him. If peoples worries are selling academy products, well in a couple years time we'll have players like Ibragimov knocking on the same door as Garnacho so. We quite frankly need the space the sale would give us to make signings.
Its irrelevant if United's management has any sense then he definitely would be sold whether now or in Summer , a slightly above average talent with fairly limited skillset United needs to bring in more rounded talents if they are serious about ever getting back to top .
Well, it's relevant if the rationale behind his selling is because he is a misfit to current manager.
Im not an expert to judge his talent but he is only 20 and this is second full season. He is performing exactly how a 20 year old kid will perform. But if they want to sell us , fair enough.
You’re the one that claimed the tweet said something it didn’t say. If you can find a quote from them saying “we expect to sign Garnacho” then present it. Otherwise stop getting upset about things you’ve made up.
The tweet said exactly what I said. That they have an expectation for garnacho on their conditions. Don't be daft now.
Is your argument really - "they say they have expectation but it's not clear what for"? The tweet is about Garnacho for fecksake
Reminds me of Sancho when he was here. Seems to be doing ok now though. I'm all up for selling Garnacho as I think we won't improve in this system, but we need to brace ourselves for him to find his feet and make us eat our words when he moves. It's a tough scenario for the management, because if we move away from 343 in the near future, we will want him back.
He was a second half sub. What did the others do for over an hour?
The queue of players to single out today is long enough without any need to bump thread to criticise one of the subs.
He should leave us and salvage his career where he can. This club is a toxic shithole.
The tweet said exactly what I said. That they have an expectation for garnacho on their conditions. Don't be daft now.
Is your argument really - "they say they have expectation but it's not clear what for"? The tweet is about Garnacho for fecksake
And the full quote which that sentence was taken from is about replacing Kvara. At no point does he ever say “expectation for Garnacho”. So stop lying. He said they are “making some evaluations” (note the plural) and “there is expectation”. An incredibly vague and generic thing to say about their attempts to replace a player they just lost.
What do you mean stop lying? I have shown you the tweet I was referencing. And I made it clear my comments was to the wording of that tweet. It's clear the tweet says "Garnacho?" and then says about how theyl sign on their conditions.
You've got issues mate this shouldn't be difficult to grasp.
You keep claiming that tweet says something it doesn’t say. That is dishonest.
I’ve also pointed out that tweet doesn’t include the first part of the quote which provides some key context. But apparently you would rather complain about something he never said, instead of bothering to read what he actually said. And that is weird behaviour. Certainly weirder than a club representative saying some vague things about transfers after being asked about transfers during a transfer window.
How am I dishonest? The tweet literally says "Garnacho? We are making evaluations, we must not get caught up in the frenzy. There is expectation, we will be ready but on the conditions of Napoli.”
Me interpreting that tweet to say Napoli have an expectation for Garnacho but on their conditions is in no way dishonest. Don't be daft.
It is when I’ve explained to you again and again that the full quote is about them replacing Kvara. They are making “evaluations”. And they’ll do it on their terms. That’s just him saying they won’t be held to ransom on price, which is exactly the sort of thing clubs say during transfer windows all the time.
At no point does he say they expect to buy Garnacho. Because that would be a stupid thing to say when trying to shop around and get a deal on a replacement when they have €60 plus million burning a hole in their pocket.
“Manna was asked specifically whether Napoli will try to lure Garnacho over from United. While he refused to go into details, he acknowledged the club are working hard to find Kvaratskhelia's replacement.
"We are making some evaluations, we must not get carried away by the frenzy," he told Sky Sports Italy. "There is expectation, we will be ready but on Napoli's terms."
How many times do you need to be told my discussions were about the tweet, not the full quote?
Do you have issues? This is a serious question. It was clear my reply to the tweet that sparked my debate with the other poster was about the tweet. I've told you that I referenced the tweet. I then had to explain to you 3 times what the tweet says.
I know what you're saying about the full quote, but for the 100th fecking time, my initial reply and discussion with the other poster was about the wording in the tweet. feck sake it's crazy that you relentlessly argue for the sake of arguing.
You called it weird. And in response I explained it wasn’t weird if you look at what he actually said. But instead of looking at what he actually said, you’ve repeatedly ignored it and instead spent about four pages arguing back and forth insisting he said something that isn’t even in the tweet, let alone in the full quote. And that’s weird behaviour.
Yes I said the wording was weird, and it was to do with the tweet. That was obvious. I then explained it to you 3 times that it was the tweet wording. You even claimed the tweet never said that, when it did.
What's weird is you needing that wording presented to you twice before finally understanding what I referenced. You came here to argue for no reason, replying during the game too
that's not just weird, it's sad.I know he's only 20, and extremely talented, but outside of moments of brilliance, I can't remember him absolutely dominating a full game? I would personally just take the 50-60M and run.
Yes I said the wording was weird, and it was to do with the tweet. That was obvious. I then explained it to you 3 times that it was the tweet wording. You even claimed the tweet never said that, when it did.
What's weird is you needing that wording presented to you twice before finally understanding what I referenced. You came here to argue for no reason, replying during the game too
No. You said they said “they expect to sign him under their conditions”. And even the tweet didn’t say that. It was far more vague than that. I pointed that out, and I also pointed out that the actual quote was even more vague, and not specifically about Garnacho. But you keep dodging that fact because it undermines your original point.
As for for the posting during the game thing - there are lots of stoppages in football, during which time one can type couple of sentences on their phone, whilst watching the game. I know you know this because you also made posts during the game. As did hundreds of other posters on this forum. But laughing at others for something you also did is exactly the sort of hypocritical behaviour I would expect from a poster like you. Sad indeed.
Arguing with another member
fecking hell, no it wasn't
it was one sentence and the first word is Garnacho? Move on, you're just on a wind up now literally making things up at this stage.
Arguing with another member
fecking hell, no it wasn't
Move on, you're just on a wind up now literally making things up at this stage.
Says the guy who posts during games whilst calling people who post during games sad. Absolute child.
He's fairly typical of what the academy has churned out of late in that he's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is. He has great potential for sure but thinks he's 2009 Ronaldo. He doesn't have the physical quality, let alone the shooting or decision making of a first team player. And I'd guess that with his ego he won't develop to the level required. Anything north of £60m and we should be snapping their hand off.
Agreed. For me he typifies the main issue with our attack and our team more generally - a lack of football IQ. It pervades our decision making in all areas of the pitch. We consistently do dumb things in defence and dumb things in attack. The reason Amad and Mazraoui stand out so much is because they are intelligent players. The rest of them are fairly brain dead.
If we sell him for 50m and can get two solid players in, it would be worth the risk of potentially losing a gem. The problem is, I have zero confidence in our ability to correctly identify and scout talents.
Does feel like something has gotta give in the next two weeks, especially in the context of our wretched form..
Haha, staring contest next? Seriously though, I’m done. Sorry for cnuting up the thread everyone.
Yes I think it's sad to continue to argue when there is a game on. It tells me your priority is to argue than watch the game, and I do find that sad. Now let's move on.
It might, and stay with me on this one, might be something to do with being a winger, and us not playing wingers any more?
Form or actual level?