Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

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FrankDrebin said:
They need to be good enough for starters and, I could be wrong, there's no obvious candidate in the youth sides who warrants a promotion at the present.

Anyway, unless it's a absolute necessity, I don't think Amorim is going to promote many reserve players in the immediate future . If the funds are available, Amorim will bring In instant first team players.

I think the youth teams will take a backseat for the time being in Ruben's mind. The first team is the priority.
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I agree we need ready starters, but if we don't buy anyone, and only sell/loan some of our first team squad, we won't even be able to fill a match whole match squad.

He already has Collyer, Thwaites, Moorehouse, Kukonki and few others training with the main team. Collyer and Kukonki have already made match squads (I believe) and Collyer has come on as sub. All are impressive players and I can see some of these make their debuts if we don't buy in Jan, and only let some players leave on loan.
 
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If I were a United fan I would be hurt to see him go because Garnacho is a very proming youngster. I think it woud be a mistake to sel him.

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gulli_G said:
I agree we need ready starters, but if we don't buy anyone, and only sell/loan some of our first team squad, we won't even be able to fill a match whole match squad.

He already has Collyer, Thwaites, Moorehouse, Kukonki and few others training with the main team. Collyer and Kukonki have already made match squads (I believe) and Collyer has come on as sub. All are impressive players and I can see some of these make their debuts if we don't buy in Jan, and only let some players leave on loan.
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Don't read too much into that. There's a handful of youngsters in first team training before every match and they're often not the same kids. A lot of the time it'll be about experience for the kids or simply to make up the numbers for training matches.
 
Pochard said:
Garnacho hasn’t shown he’s anywhere near those players. It’s a ridiculous comment.
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It’s relative to the status of the club at the moment. Is he a Suarez, RvP etc? Clearly not.

But he’s still one of the most impactful players in this team.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
It’s relative to the status of the club at the moment. Is he a Suarez, RvP etc? Clearly not.

But he’s still one of the most impactful players in this team.
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It hardly matters. Outside of a handful of players, this team needs dismantling and rebuilt. He's an obvious asset who can give us significant profit to allow that rebuild to begin
 
I imagine we will get one more offer from Napoli or €60m, so a shade over £50m. I wouldn't be shocked to see the club accept that.
 
gulli_G said:
I agree we need ready starters, but if we don't buy anyone, and only sell/loan some of our first team squad, we won't even be able to fill a match whole match squad.

He already has Collyer, Thwaites, Moorehouse, Kukonki and few others training with the main team. Collyer and Kukonki have already made match squads (I believe) and Collyer has come on as sub. All are impressive players and I can see some of these make their debuts if we don't buy in Jan, and only let some players leave on loan.
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Collyer was promoted by ETH, right?
 
Zumbi said:
Nope. There's just over two weeks left.

That is what I said. Clubs don't stop posturing because it's January, or because there are two weeks left. It's a perfectly normal aspect of transfer negotiations. Sometimes the posturing isn't even aimed at the selling club but at fans.

Like I said before, any example I give you will qualify and excuse and nitpick, because that's what you do here.
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So you chose to argue for the sake of arguing. I have never seen someone so pedantic about time left in the January window :lol:. I said barely two weeks initially then under two weeks which is neither here nor there and takes nothing away from my point.

Anyway for the 100th time there's nothing normal about this given the timing of the statement, which is why it doesn't happen. Does posturing generally happen? Yes. Does it happen in the situation of a player comfortable at a big club and not really for sale, with the buying club wanting to seal a deal within two weeks? No.

There is no "qualify and excuse". Garnacho isn't asking to leave, he isn't nearing the end of his contract, he hasn't fallen out with Amorim and we are not desperate to sell him. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

For a club to claim they expect to sign him under their conditions given these facts, with two weeks to go is weird and has rarely happened, if ever. They don't have the time for that game given we will need to sign a replacement too, or they will need to sort out conditions for his replacement in that time if it didn't work.

Now move on, and stop arguing for the sake of it.
 
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The main issue with this transfer is that after getting the money, United will spend months thinking about, considering and monitoring different players, to then buy the worst possible choice imaginable. Who'd be the Mount and Van de Beek of 2025? It'd be that player.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I imagine we will get one more offer from Napoli or €60m, so a shade over £50m. I wouldn't be shocked to see the club accept that.
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I don’t personally want to sell him as he’s only 20 and will improve massively. Only way I’d sell him is if we replace him with another young talent like Dibling.
 
Telsim said:
The main issue with this transfer is that after getting the money, United will spend months thinking about, considering and monitoring different players, to then buy the worst possible choice imaginable. Who'd be the Mount and Van de Beek of 2025? It'd be that player.
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It's weird that people keep saying this. Our business in the summer was a marked improvement, this was our first transfer window under this structure.
 
DJ_21 said:
I don’t personally want to sell him as he’s only 20 and will improve massively. Only way I’d sell him is if we replace him with another young talent like Dibling.
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How exactly does it improve us though? Dibling is less experienced than Garnacho and we would expect immediate improvement over Garnacho.

Invest that money on a starter suited to his style.
 
bond19821982 said:
How exactly does it improve us though? Dibling is less experienced than Garnacho and we would expect immediate improvement over Garnacho.

Invest that money on a starter suited to his style.
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I don’t want us selling a 20 year old though and buying a late 20s player. I’d rather buy a young talent we can develop into a world class star. That’s the way you also make profit aswell. Signing older players means you won’t be getting the money back that you paid for them if you then want to sell later on.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
It's weird that people keep saying this. Our business in the summer was a marked improvement, this was our first transfer window under this structure.
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Relax. It was a good window relatively, but let's not get carried away here. One swallow does not a summer make.

And Zirkzee was also amongst the arrivals. The capacity to feck things up is still alive and well.
 
He's not on astronomical wages, and he still has three years left on his current contract. There's no hurry to sell. Next summer, more teams will be ready and willing to bid for him. If Napoli want to replace their star man right here and right now, amidst what seems to be a gruelling title race, they should pay a premium price for the privilege. At least, that would be my stance.
 
Telsim said:
Relax. It was a good window relatively, but let's not get carried away here. One swallow does not a summer make.

And Zirkzee was also amongst the arrivals. The capacity to feck things up is still alive and well.
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Relax? I said it was a marked improvement. Which it clearly was.

It was literally the only window under the people who will be running our recruitment moving forwards. Far more relevant than Mount or whoever else you named.

Zirkzee is a good player.
 
Steve Bruce said:
Why would we want mctominay back? He wasn't good enough first time round. I'm glad he's playing well in Italy which is a lower standard but still a good league. But as far as United is concerned, he's just not good enough for where we want to be.
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It was a joke, as much as I like him :lol:
 
Maybe it’s not just his suitability for the system but an attitude thing as well. He does seem a very emotional guy.

Why was he left out of the Manchester derby awhile back? I can’t remember. I remember last season him and his brother were causing a few minor problems with social media stuff and a year before that there were some rumors of attitude problems.
 
VP89 said:
So you chose to argue for the sake of arguing. I have never seen someone so pedantic about time left in the January window :lol:. I said barely two weeks initially then under two weeks which is neither here nor there and takes nothing away from my point.

Anyway for the 100th time there's nothing normal about this given the timing of the statement, which is why it doesn't happen. Does posturing generally happen? Yes. Does it happen in the situation of a player comfortable at a big club and not really for sale, with the buying club wanting to seal a deal within two weeks? No.

There is no "qualify and excuse". Garnacho isn't asking to leave, he isn't nearing the end of his contract, he hasn't fallen out with Amorim and we are not desperate to sell him. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

For a club to claim they expect to sign him under their conditions given these facts, with two weeks to go is weird and has rarely happened, if ever. They don't have the time for that game given we will need to sign a replacement too, or they will need to sort out conditions for his replacement in that time if it didn't work.

Now move on, and stop arguing for the sake of it.
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For a guy that’s claiming I’m arguing for the sake of it, you’re putting an awful lot of effort in to doing the same.

Napoli never said they “expect to sign him”. That’s something you seem to have made up so you can get all upset at Napoli and try to pretend like it’s uniquely different type of posturing that’s never ever happened before, when it’s actually just run of the mill transfer type talk.

What the president actually said was “We must not get carried away even if we know that an important player has left, a top player as the manager defined him and therefore the expectations are high. But we will do something on Napoli’s terms.”

“Napoli’s terms” just seems like a fairly generic way of saying they won’t pay over the odds for a particular player to replace Kvara. Which seems in line with the latest reports that they won’t meet Utd’s valuation and are moving on to other targets - all stuff that is incredibly typically of normal transfer windows posturing.

You can call me pedantic all you like. I just prefer to base what I’m saying on the facts, not things I’ve made up. You should try it some time.
 
Zumbi said:
For a guy that’s claiming I’m arguing for the sake of it, you’re putting an awful lot of effort in to doing the same.

Napoli never said they “expect to sign him”. That’s something you seem to have made up so you can get all upset at Napoli and try to pretend like it’s uniquely different type of posturing that’s never ever happened before, when it’s actually just run of the mill transfer type talk.

What the president actually said was “We must not get carried away even if we know that an important player has left, a top player as the manager defined him and therefore the expectations are high. But we will do something on Napoli’s terms.”

“Napoli’s terms” just seems like a fairly generic way of saying they won’t pay over the odds for a particular player to replace Kvara. Which seems in line with the latest reports that they won’t meet Utd’s valuation and are moving on to other targets - all stuff that is incredibly typically of normal transfer windows posturing.

You can call me pedantic all you like. I just prefer to base what I’m saying on the facts, not things I’ve made up. You should try it some time.
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I replied to the words from the tweet being weird. Look at what that tweet said, then come back.

There's nothing factual about what you said about this window. You took something that generally happens in longer windows when there's good time left and applied it to a different context.

I'm quite shocked you chose to narrate your point during the game. I waited till half time to respectfully ask you to only reply if you have a sensible point to make. You can see the tweet I replied to and it's evident my context was toward the wording in that tweet.

If you have a problem with that you can argue with yourself about it. I think that's the only reason you seem to post in the first place.
 
The question isn’t should you sell Garnacho for 60/70m, it’s do you trust Manchester United to spend that money to improve the squad vs just keeping him.
 
Garnacho looks like a player who is muddled in a transfer saga. We have seen it before and his performances are suffering. Needs the end of the window and all this put to bed. Either way.
 
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VP89 said:
I replied to the words from the tweet being weird. Look at what that tweet said, then come back.

There's nothing factual about what you said about this window. You took something that generally happens in longer windows when there's good time left and applied it to a different context.

I'm quite shocked you chose to narrate your point during the game. I waited till half time to respectfully ask you to only reply if you have a sensible point to make. You can see the tweet I replied to and it's evident my context was toward the wording in that tweet.

If you have a problem with that you can argue with yourself about it. I think that's the only reason you seem to post in the first place.
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I read the tweet. It did not say they expect to sign him. You’ve made that up. You should try rereading it. Or, even better, read the full quote where he’s talking about losing Kvara, there being an expectation, and they’re making evaluations.

Again, boringly generic and vague transfer window posturing. Use your brain man - a club isn’t going to come out and say “we need a replacement and we’re only interested in this one player and we’ll pay whatever they’re asking”.

As for being “shocked” - spare me the faux outrage. You should check out the activity on all the other threads in the past 90 minutes. You’ll have kittens.
 
The technical quality on this guy is disgustingly low. It feels like his feet and the ball are repelling each other.
 
If 40m actually has been offered we are insane if we don't accept it. Can run in a straight line and take a poor shot from a bad angle, got nothing else.
 
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Zumbi said:
I read the tweet. It did not say they expect to sign him. You’ve made that up. You should try rereading it. Or, even better, read the full quote where he’s talking about losing Kvara, there being an expectation, and they’re making evaluations.

Again, boringly generic and vague transfer window posturing. Use your brain man - a club isn’t going to come out and say “we need a replacement and we’re only interested in this one player and we’ll pay whatever they’re asking”.

As for being “shocked” - spare me the faux outrage. You should check out the activity on all the other threads in the past 90 minutes. You’ll have kittens.
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This is getting extremely tiresome. The tweet literally said "there are expectations but on the condition for Napoli".
Here's a tip: 1) Read the tweet better, 2) know that I was speaking in reference to the tweet and 3) reply if you have something reasonable to say.

Otherwise as I said before, go and argue with yourself. I never said the Napoli president has to say anything in the first place, you're now winding yourself up.
 
We really overrate our players. Just look at some midtable teams in the prem. There are dozens of better wingers/attackers. Even today, Mitoma, Minteh, Pedro, so easy for them to press all game and when in possession to have the ball glued to them, pick the right pass.

Where was even Minteh before? Why dont we recruit these players? Everyone in the Brighton team will turn into a 70m player these days with ease, but we spent it on dross.
 
VP89 said:
This is getting extremely tiresome. The tweet literally said "there are expectations but on the condition for Napoli".
Here's a tip: 1) Read the tweet better, 2) know that I was speaking in reference to the tweet and 3) reply if you have something reasonable to say.

Otherwise as I said before, go and argue with yourself. I never said the Napoli president has to say anything in the first place, you're now winding yourself up.
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You said they said they, and I quote “expect to sign him under their conditions”. That is not what the tweet or the quote says. They have never said they “expect to sign him”. Again, that is something you have made up.

The tweet and the quote is a much more vague and generic “there is expectation” and they’re making “evalauations”. Expectation of what? Replacing Kvara? Buying Garnacho? The fact that they’ve reportedly moved on to other targets suggests the former, but who knows, because the tweet is just vague and generic transfer posturing.
 
Zumbi said:
You said, and I quote “they expect to sign him under their conditions”. That is not what the tweet or the quote says. They have never said they “expect to sign him”. Again, that is something you have made up.
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The tweet literally says there is expectation but on the condition of Napoli.

You're having a nightmare and you're now trying to move goalposts because you can't provide a single example of a similar narrative from January with two weeks left, for a player not even for sale.

Take a break mate.
 
Berbaclass said:
Where are all the apologists today? Another game with zero impact.
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I don’t see why anyone would have a problem selling him if the fee is decent.

He’s never been as good as we hoped he would be or sometimes try to convince ourselves he is.

We play teams below mid table every week that have better attacking players than him.
 
VP89 said:
The tweet literally says there is expectation but on the condition of Napoli.

You're having a nightmare and you're now trying to move goalposts because you can't provide a single example of a similar narrative from January with two weeks left, for a player not even for sale.

Take a break mate.
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Again, an expectation of what? You are trying to claim it’s an expectation to sign Garnacho, but the tweet/quote doesn’t actually say that. It never did.

Seems to me you’re twisting it to give yourself something to get upset about. That faux outrage thing you seem to be so fond of. Which is a lot weirder than a club during a transfer window saying vague things about making evaluations to possibly replace a player they just lost.
 
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