Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Scholsey2004 said:
I think 'potential' from a fan's perspective is always simply an opinion anyway. There's a recurring theme with youngsters at United of huge initial fan excitement rapidly turning to resentment when people realise the player isn't George Best. It's become a difficult club for players to reach their full potential at imo.
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Our strategic planning is terrible when we have to rely too much on too young players such as Mainoo and Garnacho.
 
VP89 said:
Yes all of this is normal operations for a window but it's January 18th and they are posturing with a couple weeks to go. Their reported back up is toaster toes Timo which is quite the cliff edge from Garnacho.

Bit weird to me that they think they've got time to play the standard transfer games. They will need to wrap it up for us to have sufficient time to get Garnacho replaced too, especially noting Antony may advance to Betis.

As I said, if they said these things whilst being close to our valuation I'd get it, because they're sending a message that they aren't far off. But they're saying there's an expectation to sign garnacho on their conditions which is weird, given the second bid needs some revision.
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Again, this is completely normal behaviour for any transfer window. Clubs will posture until the last day, let alone with weeks left.

I still don’t have the foggiest clue how completely normal transfer posturing between buying and selling clubs is “weird”. It’s the most normal thing imaginable.

Especially when you consider the fact that what is reported is only a fraction of what actually goes on behind the scenes without our knowledge.
 
Zumbi said:
Again, this is completely normal behaviour for any transfer window. Clubs will posture until the last day, let alone with weeks left.

I still don’t have the foggiest clue how completely normal transfer posturing between buying and selling clubs is “weird”. It’s the most normal thing imaginable.

Especially when you consider the fact that what is reported is only a fraction of what actually goes on behind the scenes without our knowledge.
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No, it's pretty weird for January 18th for the president to say something like this, especially when it's a smaller club coming to a big club for a marquee signing.

Its generally normal to do a whole song and dance for a window when there's time, with statements to the press and posturing. It's weird to do it when time is running out in the window to get a deal done. We don't need to be on the inside to know that January is a notoriously tricky month to do transfers generally let alone a marquee signing.

If they want him theyl have to be a fair bit closer to our valuation and theyl need to give us time to sort our replacement too. They will also need to know how long theyl need to secure the back up in case it fails with garnacho, and there's barely a couple weeks left.
 
VP89 said:
I've only seen the Werner link that came from Di Marzio (would be quite funny).

I dont think we need to sell Garnacho though. Getting Rashford, Casemiro, Lindelof, Malacia and maybe Antony off our books should be sufficient.
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The Werner links may die due to his injury. I do know that Cherki, Zhegrova, Yeremey Hernandez, Adeyemi have all been linked. Garnacho seems the priority but I wonder if it's just to appease the fans who are upset that Kvicha has been sold. Neres is deputising quite fine at the moment anyway.
 
Lay said:
The Werner links may die due to his injury. I do know that Cherki, Zhegrova, Yeremey Hernandez, Adeyemi have all been linked. Garnacho seems the priority but I wonder if it's just to appease the fans who are upset that Kvicha has been sold. Neres is deputising quite fine at the moment anyway.
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Garna is apparently the one Conte really wants. I'm unsure on the others and also unsure on the quality drop from Garnacho to one of them.

But if they are looking at them seriously theyl need to cut a deal with those clubs and theyl need to have a buffer for the end of the window to do it. So whatever they're doing with us needs to be resolved in one way or another quite soon. We will also need to plan ourselves.
 
VP89 said:
No, it's pretty weird for January 18th for the president to say something like this, especially when it's a smaller club coming to a big club for a marquee signing.

Its generally normal to do a whole song and dance for a window when there's time, with statements to the press and posturing. It's weird to do it when time is running out in the window to get a deal done. We don't need to be on the inside to know that January is a notoriously tricky month to do transfers generally let alone a marquee signing.

If they want him theyl have to be a fair bit closer to our valuation and theyl need to give us time to sort our replacement too. They will also need to know how long theyl need to secure the back up in case it fails with garnacho, and there's barely a couple weeks left.
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Is this your first transfer window? This is what every transfer window since the history of transfer windows is like.
 
Hammondo said:
Everywhere I have read sounds like we are willing to sell, and at this point looks 50/50.

We might not be pushing him out, but we seem happy to sell. I would imagine we have plans for a better replacement.
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We don't need a like for like replacement. Wing backs, remember? I reckon Jack Fletcher could maybe start getting some games next season as one of 2 10's with Fernandes/Mount. The left wing-back position is the position we really need to sort.
 
Zumbi said:
Is this your first transfer window? This is what every transfer windows since the history of transfer windows is like.
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No, it isn't.
This rarely ever happens in January with 2 weeks to go for a marquee player who's not for sale and not out of favour and not nearing the end of the contract. We don't see these types of games with such little time left in January.

Feel free to point to an example to show otherwise if this happens often, as you imply.
 
I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning
 
Lay said:
I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning
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Forgot to also say in our discussion that we were looking at Kolo Muani but he's Juve bound if I'm not mistaken. So yeah I don't even know who the replacement would be (I doubt we'd just settle for keeping Rashford).
 
VP89 said:
No, it isn't.
This rarely ever happens in January with 2 weeks to go for a marquee player who's not for sale and not out of favour and not nearing the end of the contract. We don't see these types of games with such little time left in January.

Feel free to point to an example to show otherwise if this happens often, as you imply.
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Yes, we do. And sometimes the clubs come to an agreement and sometimes they don’t and move on to other buyers and sellers. Sometimes the players end up staying put.

In other breaking news, rain is wet and grass is green.
 
VP89 said:
Forgot to also say in our discussion that we were looking at Kolo Muani but he's Juve bound if I'm not mistaken. So yeah I don't even know who the replacement would be (I doubt we'd just settle for keeping Rashford).
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My pessimistic side thinks if Garnacho is sold it's only because we can't find buyers for Rashford
 
Lay said:
I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning
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Shop window remember mate? That's how clubs do it. The coach makes some noises about not wanting to lose the player but the club makes the decisions. Amorim knows the dance from his time at Sporting.
 
Zumbi said:
Yes, we do. And sometimes the clubs come to an agreement and sometimes they don’t and move on to other buyers and sellers. Sometimes the players end up staying put.

In other breaking news, rain is wet and grass is green.
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We don't when it's two weeks to the end of the January window.

If this happens "every window" irrespective of winter or summer you shouldn't find it too difficult to find a marquee signing example from January where this type of briefing was done so close to the window closing.
 
Lay said:
My pessimistic side thinks if Garnacho is sold it's only because we can't find buyers for Rashford
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That's probably a reasonable position. I think the club will certainly be disappointed with the Rashford interest. Obviously the wages have hamstring us yet again.
 
Lay said:
My pessimistic side thinks if Garnacho is sold it's only because we can't find buyers for Rashford
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Potentially but I doubt we'd be willing to integrate Marcus back, its too far gone. So whether Marcus is in Manchester or Milan, we will need to replace Garna if he leaves.

Interesting that Antony came in for the 10 role last game, maybe this is the in house solution for a back up 10, but he looks close to a loan.
 
Lay said:
I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning
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Surely we must be pushing Rashford over Alejandro on to other clubs as it is clear Ruben does not want him.
I would find it bizarre for us to sell one of our young players that can score goals when that is what we really need to get us out of trouble at the moment.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
I think 'potential' from a fan's perspective is always simply an opinion anyway. There's a recurring theme with youngsters at United of huge initial fan excitement rapidly turning to resentment when people realise the player isn't George Best. It's become a difficult club for players to reach their full potential at imo.
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In cases, probably so. There are observable things that can be pointed to in players though. Like, I love Mainoo on the ball, but it feels like his lack of athleticism is going to inhibit his ability in a midfield two and that needs to be taken into account in the players around him.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
We don't need a like for like replacement. Wing backs, remember? I reckon Jack Fletcher could maybe start getting some games next season as one of 2 10's with Fernandes/Mount. The left wing-back position is the position we really need to sort.
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I agree we need a wingback, but we would still need to replace Garnacho.
 
VP89 said:
We don't when it's two weeks to the end of the January window.

If this happens "every window" irrespective of winter or summer you shouldn't find it too difficult to find a marquee signing example from January where this type of briefing was done so close to the window closing.
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Given your history of arguing in bad faith, I’m not going to spend my evening trawling the internet for examples that will no doubt fail to meet your increasingly specific criteria for what kind of posturing qualifies as matching the exact circumstances of this Garnacho statement.

Posturing between clubs mid transfer window is perfectly normal and it’s weird that you think it’s weird.
 
Zumbi said:
Given your history of arguing in bad faith, I’m not going to spend my evening trawling the internet for examples that will no doubt fail to meet your increasingly specific criteria for what kind of posturing qualifies as matching the exact circumstances of this Garnacho statement.

Posturing between clubs mid transfer window is perfectly normal and it’s weird that you think it’s weird.
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You're having a mare. Every time you quote my posts you fail to actually put something reasonable to discuss and defer to posting history as some sort of golden ticket.

Anyway, no one is "arguing", I politely asked for one example in January with such a short time left, since this allegedly happens in every window. If it's so frequent I'd have assumed you wouldn't need to "trawl through the Internet". Your inability to find one pretty much illustrates my point.

It's not normal in January to do this stuff, so yes it's weird for Napoli to say this. If you disagree that's fine, bit of an odd hill to die on but you do you.
 
Shiva87 said:
So this is how it works. Just disagree with a well made point without bothering to explain your rationale.
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If you read some of my replies I have explained, in this thread and in other threads. Just don't have the energy to keep repeating the same points.
 
VP89 said:
You're having a mare. Every time you quote my posts you fail to actually put something reasonable to discuss and defer to posting history as some sort of golden ticket.

Anyway, no one is "arguing", I politely asked for one example in January with such a short time left, since this allegedly happens in every window. Your inability to find one pretty much illustrates my point.

It's not normal in January to do this stuff, so yes it's weird for Napoli to say this. If you disagree that's fine, bit of a weird hill to die on but you do you.
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“Short time left”. We’re barely halfway through. You must know transfers happen all the way until closing day, even in January?

Not dying on any hill. I’ve just made the incredibly boring statement that posturing between clubs in any transfer window is a very normal thing. You can try and qualify and deny that fact all you like - doesn’t change the reality.
 
Zumbi said:
“Short time left”. We’re barely halfway through. You must know transfers happen all the way until closing day, even in January?

Not dying on any hill. I’ve just made the incredibly boring statement that posturing between clubs in any transfer window is a very normal thing. You can try and qualify and deny that fact all you like - doesn’t change the reality.
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Unsure why you need to ask that question since I told you how long is left in this window. But here you go - January is a shorter window as it is, and as I mentioned a few posts ago, there is less than a couple weeks left.

If you had said it's a normal thing generally then sure I'd agree. But it's not normal in these conditions which is why it hardly ever happens, and that's also why you won't really find an example of it. January windows aren't like the summer windows for many reasons. So yeah, it is weird in this context. If you disagree that's fine but any more circular debates without actually backing up your case would be arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
VP89 said:
No, it isn't.
This rarely ever happens in January with 2 weeks to go for a marquee player who's not for sale and not out of favour and not nearing the end of the contract. We don't see these types of games with such little time left in January.

Feel free to point to an example to show otherwise if this happens often, as you imply.
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Cf: DeJong, Frenkie
Sounds right up our tree.
 
VP89 said:
Unsure why you need to ask that question since I told you how long is left in this window. But here you go - January is a shorter window as it is, and as I mentioned a few posts ago, there is less than a couple weeks left.

If you had said it's a normal thing generally then sure I'd agree. But it's not normal in these conditions which is why it hardly ever happens, and that's also why you won't really find an example of it. January windows aren't like the summer windows for many reasons. So yeah, it is weird in this context. If you disagree that's fine but any more circular debates without actually backing up your case would be arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Nope. There's just over two weeks left.

That is what I said. Clubs don't stop posturing because it's January, or because there are two weeks left. It's a perfectly normal aspect of transfer negotiations. Sometimes the posturing isn't even aimed at the selling club but at fans.

Like I said before, any example I give you will qualify and excuse and nitpick, because that's what you do here.
 
Zumbi said:
Nope. There's just over two weeks left.

That is what I said. Clubs don't stop posturing because it's January, or because there are two weeks left. It's a perfectly normal aspect of transfer negotiations. Sometimes the posturing isn't even aimed at the selling club but at fans.

Like I said before, any example I give you will qualify and excuse and nitpick, because that's what you do here.
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Not if it closes January 31st
 
hellhunter said:
It does indeed not! Was under the assumption it'd close end of the month, but it's, like you said, a bit more than two weeks on Monday, February 3rd
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Yep, normally closes on a business day so the exact date depends where the weekend falls.
 
Keep seeing the same thing over and over again. “He’s not that good” “He doesn’t fit the system.” “50m is more than enough to get someone else.”

Who may I ask is out there that’s 1) young, 2) not injury prone 3) knows this system and 4) available for what we can afford?
 
Imagine Garnacho gets sold, Rashford moves out on loan and we just bring in the vital... 4th choice GK.
 
bgoodall said:
Keep seeing the same thing over and over again. “He’s not that good” “He doesn’t fit the system.” “50m is more than enough to get someone else.”

Who may I ask is out there that’s 1) young, 2) not injury prone 3) knows this system and 4) available for what we can afford?
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That'll be the job of Amorim, our scouting team and our DoF to figure out. I don't think they'll sanction the sale of Garnacho without having options lined up.
 
Zumbi said:
That'll be the job of Amorim, our scouting team and our DoF to figure out. I don't think they'll sanction the sale of Garnacho without having options lined up.
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I reckon Ruben has had a look at some of our youth and will decide to promote them.
 
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