Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

[Zumbi]

No, it's pretty weird for January 18th for the president to say something like this, especially when it's a smaller club coming to a big club for a marquee signing.

Its generally normal to do a whole song and dance for a window when there's time, with statements to the press and posturing. It's weird to do it when time is running out in the window to get a deal done. We don't need to be on the inside to know that January is a notoriously tricky month to do transfers generally let alone a marquee signing.

If they want him theyl have to be a fair bit closer to our valuation and theyl need to give us time to sort our replacement too. They will also need to know how long theyl need to secure the back up in case it fails with garnacho, and there's barely a couple weeks left.

Is this your first transfer window? This is what every transfer window since the history of transfer windows is like.

 

[Scholsey2004]

Everywhere I have read sounds like we are willing to sell, and at this point looks 50/50.

We might not be pushing him out, but we seem happy to sell. I would imagine we have plans for a better replacement.

We don't need a like for like replacement. Wing backs, remember? I reckon Jack Fletcher could maybe start getting some games next season as one of 2 10's with Fernandes/Mount. The left wing-back position is the position we really need to sort.

 

[VP89]

Is this your first transfer window? This is what every transfer windows since the history of transfer windows is like.

No, it isn't.
This rarely ever happens in January with 2 weeks to go for a marquee player who's not for sale and not out of favour and not nearing the end of the contract. We don't see these types of games with such little time left in January.

Feel free to point to an example to show otherwise if this happens often, as you imply.

 

[Lay]

I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning

 

[VP89]

I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning

Forgot to also say in our discussion that we were looking at Kolo Muani but he's Juve bound if I'm not mistaken. So yeah I don't even know who the replacement would be (I doubt we'd just settle for keeping Rashford).

 

[Zumbi]

No, it isn't.
This rarely ever happens in January with 2 weeks to go for a marquee player who's not for sale and not out of favour and not nearing the end of the contract. We don't see these types of games with such little time left in January.

Feel free to point to an example to show otherwise if this happens often, as you imply.

Yes, we do. And sometimes the clubs come to an agreement and sometimes they don’t and move on to other buyers and sellers. Sometimes the players end up staying put.

In other breaking news, rain is wet and grass is green.

 

[Lay]

Forgot to also say in our discussion that we were looking at Kolo Muani but he's Juve bound if I'm not mistaken. So yeah I don't even know who the replacement would be (I doubt we'd just settle for keeping Rashford).

My pessimistic side thinks if Garnacho is sold it's only because we can't find buyers for Rashford

 

[Scholsey2004]

I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning

Shop window remember mate? That's how clubs do it. The coach makes some noises about not wanting to lose the player but the club makes the decisions. Amorim knows the dance from his time at Sporting.

 

[VP89]

Yes, we do. And sometimes the clubs come to an agreement and sometimes they don’t and move on to other buyers and sellers. Sometimes the players end up staying put.

In other breaking news, rain is wet and grass is green.

We don't when it's two weeks to the end of the January window.

If this happens "every window" irrespective of winter or summer you shouldn't find it too difficult to find a marquee signing example from January where this type of briefing was done so close to the window closing.

 

[Scholsey2004]

My pessimistic side thinks if Garnacho is sold it's only because we can't find buyers for Rashford

That's probably a reasonable position. I think the club will certainly be disappointed with the Rashford interest. Obviously the wages have hamstring us yet again.

 

[VP89]

My pessimistic side thinks if Garnacho is sold it's only because we can't find buyers for Rashford

Potentially but I doubt we'd be willing to integrate Marcus back, its too far gone. So whether Marcus is in Manchester or Milan, we will need to replace Garna if he leaves.

Interesting that Antony came in for the 10 role last game, maybe this is the in house solution for a back up 10, but he looks close to a loan.

 

[Bondi77]

I find it bizarre that he would be sold despite starting the last game. I know this happens often but just seems like shite planning

Surely we must be pushing Rashford over Alejandro on to other clubs as it is clear Ruben does not want him.
I would find it bizarre for us to sell one of our young players that can score goals when that is what we really need to get us out of trouble at the moment.

 

[DavelinaJolie]

I think 'potential' from a fan's perspective is always simply an opinion anyway. There's a recurring theme with youngsters at United of huge initial fan excitement rapidly turning to resentment when people realise the player isn't George Best. It's become a difficult club for players to reach their full potential at imo.

In cases, probably so. There are observable things that can be pointed to in players though. Like, I love Mainoo on the ball, but it feels like his lack of athleticism is going to inhibit his ability in a midfield two and that needs to be taken into account in the players around him.

 

[Hammondo]

We don't need a like for like replacement. Wing backs, remember? I reckon Jack Fletcher could maybe start getting some games next season as one of 2 10's with Fernandes/Mount. The left wing-back position is the position we really need to sort.

I agree we need a wingback, but we would still need to replace Garnacho.

 

[Hammondo]

How often do we go from hearing a name for the first time to signing a player in less than 12 days?

Well usually we hear about 100 players which are total nonsense. It does happen that a club buy someone quickly.

 

[Zumbi]

We don't when it's two weeks to the end of the January window.

If this happens "every window" irrespective of winter or summer you shouldn't find it too difficult to find a marquee signing example from January where this type of briefing was done so close to the window closing.

Given your history of arguing in bad faith, I’m not going to spend my evening trawling the internet for examples that will no doubt fail to meet your increasingly specific criteria for what kind of posturing qualifies as matching the exact circumstances of this Garnacho statement.

Posturing between clubs mid transfer window is perfectly normal and it’s weird that you think it’s weird.

 

[Cheekiey]

Not his biggest fan but I don’t see the point in selling now. Losing Rashford and Garnacho halfway through the season just seems mad to me.

Who are we linked with that makes this make any sense?

Mbeumo

 

[VP89]

Given your history of arguing in bad faith, I’m not going to spend my evening trawling the internet for examples that will no doubt fail to meet your increasingly specific criteria for what kind of posturing qualifies as matching the exact circumstances of this Garnacho statement.

Posturing between clubs mid transfer window is perfectly normal and it’s weird that you think it’s weird.

You're having a mare. Every time you quote my posts you fail to actually put something reasonable to discuss and defer to posting history as some sort of golden ticket.

Anyway, no one is "arguing", I politely asked for one example in January with such a short time left, since this allegedly happens in every window. If it's so frequent I'd have assumed you wouldn't need to "trawl through the Internet". Your inability to find one pretty much illustrates my point.

It's not normal in January to do this stuff, so yes it's weird for Napoli to say this. If you disagree that's fine, bit of an odd hill to die on but you do you.

 

[gulli_G]

So this is how it works. Just disagree with a well made point without bothering to explain your rationale.

If you read some of my replies I have explained, in this thread and in other threads. Just don't have the energy to keep repeating the same points.

 

[Zumbi]

You're having a mare. Every time you quote my posts you fail to actually put something reasonable to discuss and defer to posting history as some sort of golden ticket.

Anyway, no one is "arguing", I politely asked for one example in January with such a short time left, since this allegedly happens in every window. Your inability to find one pretty much illustrates my point.

It's not normal in January to do this stuff, so yes it's weird for Napoli to say this. If you disagree that's fine, bit of a weird hill to die on but you do you.

“Short time left”. We’re barely halfway through. You must know transfers happen all the way until closing day, even in January?

Not dying on any hill. I’ve just made the incredibly boring statement that posturing between clubs in any transfer window is a very normal thing. You can try and qualify and deny that fact all you like - doesn’t change the reality.

 

[VP89]

“Short time left”. We’re barely halfway through. You must know transfers happen all the way until closing day, even in January?

Not dying on any hill. I’ve just made the incredibly boring statement that posturing between clubs in any transfer window is a very normal thing. You can try and qualify and deny that fact all you like - doesn’t change the reality.

Unsure why you need to ask that question since I told you how long is left in this window. But here you go - January is a shorter window as it is, and as I mentioned a few posts ago, there is less than a couple weeks left.

If you had said it's a normal thing generally then sure I'd agree. But it's not normal in these conditions which is why it hardly ever happens, and that's also why you won't really find an example of it. January windows aren't like the summer windows for many reasons. So yeah, it is weird in this context. If you disagree that's fine but any more circular debates without actually backing up your case would be arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

No, it isn't.
This rarely ever happens in January with 2 weeks to go for a marquee player who's not for sale and not out of favour and not nearing the end of the contract. We don't see these types of games with such little time left in January.

Feel free to point to an example to show otherwise if this happens often, as you imply.

Cf: DeJong, Frenkie
Sounds right up our tree.

 

[VP89]

Cf: DeJong, Frenkie
Sounds right up our tree.

Ha. A target I try to erase from memory, though we at least sorted the fee with Barcelona in the summer in decent time.

 

[Zumbi]

Unsure why you need to ask that question since I told you how long is left in this window. But here you go - January is a shorter window as it is, and as I mentioned a few posts ago, there is less than a couple weeks left.

If you had said it's a normal thing generally then sure I'd agree. But it's not normal in these conditions which is why it hardly ever happens, and that's also why you won't really find an example of it. January windows aren't like the summer windows for many reasons. So yeah, it is weird in this context. If you disagree that's fine but any more circular debates without actually backing up your case would be arguing for the sake of arguing.

Nope. There's just over two weeks left.

That is what I said. Clubs don't stop posturing because it's January, or because there are two weeks left. It's a perfectly normal aspect of transfer negotiations. Sometimes the posturing isn't even aimed at the selling club but at fans.

Like I said before, any example I give you will qualify and excuse and nitpick, because that's what you do here.

 

[hellhunter]

Nope. There's just over two weeks left.

That is what I said. Clubs don't stop posturing because it's January, or because there are two weeks left. It's a perfectly normal aspect of transfer negotiations. Sometimes the posturing isn't even aimed at the selling club but at fans.

Like I said before, any example I give you will qualify and excuse and nitpick, because that's what you do here.

Not if it closes January 31st

 

[Zumbi]

Not if it closes January 31st

It doesn’t.

 

[hellhunter]

It doesn’t.

It does indeed not! Was under the assumption it'd close end of the month, but it's, like you said, a bit more than two weeks on Monday, February 3rd

 

[Zumbi]

It does indeed not! Was under the assumption it'd close end of the month, but it's, like you said, a bit more than two weeks on Monday, February 3rd

Yep, normally closes on a business day so the exact date depends where the weekend falls.

 

[bgoodall]

Keep seeing the same thing over and over again. “He’s not that good” “He doesn’t fit the system.” “50m is more than enough to get someone else.”

Who may I ask is out there that’s 1) young, 2) not injury prone 3) knows this system and 4) available for what we can afford?

 

[golden_blunder]

Imagine garnacho gets sold, and Rashford is his replacement in the team. The scenes

 

[FrankDrebin]

Imagine Garnacho gets sold, Rashford moves out on loan and we just bring in the vital... 4th choice GK.

 

[Zumbi]

Keep seeing the same thing over and over again. “He’s not that good” “He doesn’t fit the system.” “50m is more than enough to get someone else.”

Who may I ask is out there that’s 1) young, 2) not injury prone 3) knows this system and 4) available for what we can afford?

That'll be the job of Amorim, our scouting team and our DoF to figure out. I don't think they'll sanction the sale of Garnacho without having options lined up.

 

[gulli_G]

That'll be the job of Amorim, our scouting team and our DoF to figure out. I don't think they'll sanction the sale of Garnacho without having options lined up.

I reckon Ruben has had a look at some of our youth and will decide to promote them.

 

[hellhunter]

I reckon Ruben has had a look at some of our youth and will decide to promote them.

Zero indication of that happening so far

 

[dubplate warrior]

Keep seeing the same thing over and over again. “He’s not that good” “He doesn’t fit the system.” “50m is more than enough to get someone else.”

Who may I ask is out there that’s 1) young, 2) not injury prone 3) knows this system and 4) available for what we can afford?

Garnacho clearly doesn't fit into the system.

But I agree without replacing him for pace we'd be worse off. Best to entertain bids in the summer where we can replace him.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I reckon Ruben has had a look at some of our youth and will decide to promote them.

They need to be good enough for starters and, I could be wrong, there's no obvious candidate in the youth sides who warrants a promotion at the present.

Anyway, unless it's a absolute necessity, I don't think Amorim is going to promote many reserve players in the immediate future . If the funds are available, Amorim will bring In instant first team players.

I think the youth teams will take a backseat for the time being in Ruben's mind. The first team is the priority.

 

[Zumbi]

I reckon Ruben has had a look at some of our youth and will decide to promote them.

I think he’ll definitely promote some youth as well, but I can’t imagine the club selling someone as high profile as Garnacho for a large fee and not bringing at least one new body in.

 

[Zumbi]

Zero indication of that happening so far

He’s already promoted four academy players to first team training. Just because they haven’t hit a match day squad yet doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

 

[Ekeke]

He’s already promoted four academy players to first team training. Just because they haven’t hit a match day squad yet doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

Eventually some youngsters will be tried, like all the previous managers did

 

[Red in STL]

What if we sack the manager? We spend £100m on a replacement as the new manager wants to play 433?

Well we'll be no worse off because that's what we've done for the last decade