Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Zumbi said:
He is quite good for a 20 year old. Is he good enough to turn down a 60 million offer for him if someone makes one? I’m not so sure.
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In the context of him not fitting the system, I don't think he is. However, we don't know how much the manager rates him in those roles, nor Garnacho's thoughts on the matter. If he wants to stay, and the manager wants him to stay, then we should keep him.
 
It's going to take a lot to convince me that we should part with a young, talented player who is and has the potentially to be very useful for us. There's a lot of shit in the squad that needs to go. I'd rather we work on that first before we get to him.

It'll be farcical if we manage to move on Garnacho before Shaw, Mount, and Casemiro.
 
Superunknown said:
It's going to take a lot to convince me that we should part with a young, talented player who is and has the potentially to be very useful for us. There's a lot of shit in the squad that needs to go. I'd rather we work on that first before we get to him.

It'll be farcical if we manage to move on Garnacho before Shaw, Mount, and Casemiro.
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and also logical, because nobody wants them

the only thing it would take to convince me is if him or the manager want the move
 
Superunknown said:
It's going to take a lot to convince me that we should part with a young, talented player who is and has the potentially to be very useful for us. There's a lot of shit in the squad that needs to go. I'd rather we work on that first before we get to him.

It'll be farcical if we manage to move on Garnacho before Shaw, Mount, and Casemiro.
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How are we supposed to move injured players on? Why would any clubs be shopping in our physio room?
 
hellhunter said:
Why would we reluctantly sell a player on their conditions and not ours?
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Cause some people just see ‘pure profit’ and think we’ll kick start a squad building revolution by selling him for a ‘fair’ price. Sod fair price, if we have to sell then fleece someone for him, if we can’t keep him and sell the absolute dross for whatever we can get for them.
 
Hammondo said:
That's fair, but your wording is ridiculous.
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Why? They don't call the shots and have no leverage on this deal. They will want to replace their star player soon. If they don't meet our valuation they can move on, it's that simple. I don't think there's some middle road where we need to compromise on "their conditions".
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Agree.
Unless you are a mid table football club.
Mid lower table clubs always end up selling their best young players.
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We’re still Man Utd FFS. We are not a soulless club the likes of Chelsea or city. For us to rebuild and eventually back to champions league football requires young players with huge potential not selling them off.
 
VP89 said:
Why? They don't call the shots and have no leverage on this deal. They will want to replace their star player soon. If they don't meet our valuation they can move on, it's that simple. I don't think there's some middle road where we need to compromise on "their conditions".
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"Their conditions can go feck themselves" is ridiculous to something very reasonable.
 
Giggsy13 said:
We’re still Man Utd FFS. We are not a soulless club the likes of Chelsea or city. For us to rebuild and eventually back to champions league football requires young players with huge potential not selling them off.
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What huge potential?
 
Giggsy13 said:
We’re still Man Utd FFS. We are not a soulless club the likes of Chelsea or city. For us to rebuild and eventually back to champions league football requires young players with huge potential not selling them off.
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No it requires selling young prospects and using the money to buy better ones. And there are a feck ton of better prospects out there than Garnacho.
 
Giggsy13 said:
We’re still Man Utd FFS. We are not a soulless club the likes of Chelsea or city. For us to rebuild and eventually back to champions league football requires young players with huge potential not selling them off.
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That’s what others always told themselves when their best kept being sold.

Arsenal would have been saying it when RvP signed for us. Liverpool likewise when Sterling, Suarez and others were leaving.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
That’s what others always told themselves when their best kept being sold.

Arsenal would have been saying it when RvP signed for us. Liverpool likewise when Sterling, Suarez and others were leaving.
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Garnacho hasn’t shown he’s anywhere near those players. It’s a ridiculous comment.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
That’s what others always told themselves when their best kept being sold.

Arsenal would have been saying it when RvP signed for us. Liverpool likewise when Sterling, Suarez and others were leaving.
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There is a far bigger list of the players kept that didn't work out.
 
Hammondo said:
"Their conditions can go feck themselves" is ridiculous to something very reasonable.
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There's nothing reasonable about thinking they can facilitate a deal on their terms for a player who isn't for sale.
 
One of those recruitment decisions which for most managers wouldn’t make sense. Amorim is quite niche in his system and once again if it doesn’t work out prob won’t look like a great decision. I’d much rather he’s given more time to adjust his game at this juncture until we are 110% sure on the manager.
 
Hammondo said:
"Their conditions can go feck themselves" is ridiculous to something very reasonable.
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Not at all. They want a player who is more or less highly rated and is not for sale.
So, if they want him it will be more under our conditions.
If they would want Rashford (who we want to get rid) then it would be more under their conditions.

Anyway, in either case, there is no "only under my conditions".
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Not at all. They want a player who is more or less highly rated and is not for sale.
So, if they want him it will be more under our conditions.
If they would want Rashford (who we want to get rid) then it would be more under their conditions.

Anyway, in either case, there is no "only under my conditions".
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It's very clear he is for sale.

That's not how negotiations work, both sides conditions have to be met.
 
Hammondo said:
No they said they need their conditions met, which is the absolute norm.
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Its not normal got a club to have an expectation for a player on "their conditions" who is 1) not for sale and 2) their first choice signing and 3) racing against time.

They are welcome to say it, and a feck off is a fair reply. There is no way we need to compromise on our price. We have a valuation, they can meet it or go. This little dance inbetween is just posturing which we need not entertain.
 
VP89 said:
Its not normal got a club to have an expectation for a player on "their conditions" who is 1) not for sale and 2) their first choice signing and 3) racing against time.

They are welcome to say it, and a feck off is a fair reply. There is no way we need to compromise on our price. We have a valuation, they can meet it or go. This little dance inbetween is just posturing which we need not entertain.
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Your reply was perfectly valid, it's certainly a weird hill to die on
 
VP89 said:
Its not normal got a club to have an expectation for a player on "their conditions" who is 1) not for sale and 2) their first choice signing and 3) racing against time.

They are welcome to say it, and a feck off is a fair reply. There is no way we need to compromise on our price. We have a valuation, they can meet it or go. This little dance inbetween is just posturing which we need not entertain.
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He is clearly for sale, and yes it's the complete norm. Both sides have conditions for every transfer, that's how negotiations are done.
 
Hammondo said:
It's very clear he is for sale.

That's not how negotiations work, both sides conditions have to be met.
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i just said that. Only question is which side wants it more (so they need to back down more).

All this chat started with Napoli saying that they will dictate conditions which is ridiculous in this case. He is maybe for sale but only for right price. We don't mind keeping him.
 
hellhunter said:
Your reply was perfectly valid, it's certainly a weird hill to die on
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Yeah I don't know why we are still going on this.

Hammondo said:
He is clearly for sale, and yes it's the complete norm. Both sides have conditions for every transfer, that's how negotiations are done.
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He is not for sale. It's been briefed quite clearly that we would consider a very big offer but Garnacho is not one of the players in the shop window, unlike say Rashford or Antony. Being "for sale" isn't being interpreted in the same way between us it seems. Every player technically has a price but that doesn't mean every player is for sale.

Negotiations are dependent on the variables of the target, and in this case the variables favour us as price makers. If they can't get to the valuation they can move on, but their manager is set on him, the club had a very big windfall from a player sale and the target in question is not actually in the shop window. So if they want to change that they have to pay a very big fee, it's really not that unreasonable.
 
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