Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

If someone claims two players are around the same level, no, I’m not going to assume they actually mean one of them “might” reach the level of the other one in the future. Because that’s a pointless hypothetical.

Your initial claim is just objectively false - Garnacho has never produced at the level Nani has and we have no idea if he ever will, so what’s the point in trying to claim he’s just as good?
Ok so purely on goals and assists for us, Garnacho averages a goal and assist every 149.03 mins, Nani over his career with us averaged a goal and assist every 149.66 mins. So on what they have produced alone, I’d say that’s factually even. What would you say?

That’s taken from transfermarket, and no I don’t have time to check other sites.
 
Which is exactly why it’s pointless to try and claim that Garnacho is as good as Nani. He’s not, but one day he may reach that level.
It’s quite fair to claim Garnacho is better than Nani was at the same age. Garnacho was more productive last season in the Premier League, in a shit team, than Nani was in a far weaker league.
 
It’s quite fair to claim Garnacho is better than Nani was at the same age. Garnacho was more productive last season in the Premier League, in a shit team, than Nani was in a far weaker league.

Which would be great if that’s what the other poster claimed. That’s not what he said though.
 
He beats enough people either taking it past them or using his pace. If you don’t rate him that’s fair enough, but Nani was not a significantly better player.
Nani was much faster though, more two-footed, a better dribbler and could vary his game more. He became even better when he adapted his game and became more direct - did that happen when he destroyed Clichy for pace? Before that he tried too many tricks which slowed down the game too much.

If Garnacho can reach prime Nani levels, then we have a great player!
 
Which would be great if that’s what the other poster claimed. That’s not what he said though.
See my post 2 above, your being very pedantic when I have explained what I was saying to you.

You are factually incorrect but ignore that if you want.
 
Nani was much faster though, more two-footed, a better dribbler and could vary his game more. He became even better when he adapted his game and became more direct - did that happen when he destroyed Clichy for pace? Before that he tried too many tricks which slowed down the game too much.

If Garnacho can reach prime Nani levels, then we have a great player!
Absolutely and I think he can and why I don’t think we should be looking to sell him.
 
Not a bad offer but I've got no idea who we could bring in for a similar amount to improve us in the attacking midfield area. Unless we use the money to bring in a Kerkez or Ait-Nouri to reinforce that area. Can't really see the other in doing it this month though. We are threadbare with Rashford and Garna out of the lineup.

Maybe we could bring in someone like Nkunku on loan? Every time I watch him im really impressed.
 
Why? That’s ridiculously low.
Because people on here are fecking thick. We can all argue about how high Garnacho's potential might actually be, but his goal and assist output is amongst the best in the world for a player his age, and he's doing that in the EPL for a struggling team!

Can you imagine how much that would cost to replace?!
 
No. It’s objectively true that Nani was a more productive player with a more consistent end product per minutes played than Garnacho.

Garnacho may develop into a player as productive as Nani, but he may not.
I know one thing for sure, Garnacho will never have a goal celebration to match Nani's :)
 
Because people on here are fecking thick. We can all argue about how high Garnacho's potential might actually be, but his goal and assist output is amongst the best in the world for a player his age, and he's doing that in the EPL for a struggling team!

Can you imagine how much that would cost to replace?!
Don’t bother, most have made their minds up that we should just give him away and reinvest.
 
Ok so purely on goals and assists for us, Garnacho averages a goal and assist every 149.03 mins, Nani over his career with us averaged a goal and assist every 149.66 mins. So on what they have produced alone, I’d say that’s factually even. What would you say?

That’s taken from transfermarket, and no I don’t have time to check other sites.
Ok so purely on goals and assists for us, Garnacho averages a goal and assist every 149.03 mins, Nani over his career with us averaged a goal and assist every 149.66 mins. So on what they have produced alone, I’d say that’s factually even. What would you say?

That’s taken from transfermarket, and no I don’t have time to check other sites.

No. Garnacho’s stats for the Man Utd first team are a goal/assist every 176 minutes on transfermarket. I suspect you’ve included Garnacho’s u18 and other youth team stats to get to that number.

What a player does at youth levels is not comparable to what a player does at PL and CL levels.
 
No. Garnacho’s stats for the Man Utd first team are a goal/assist every 176 minutes on transfermarket. I suspect you’ve included Garnacho’s u18 and other youth team stats to get to that number.

What a player does at youth levels is not comparable to what a player does at PL and CL levels.
nope I didn’t count those, I counted first team games only.
 
See my post 2 above, your being very pedantic when I have explained what I was saying to you.

You are factually incorrect but ignore that if you want.

Bud, you’ve since admitted Garnacho “might” reach those levels after claiming he already had. Make your mind up.
 
If we are considering a sale, I think we have to be asking for at least £60m. Not sure it would be worth it for much less.
 
Because people on here are fecking thick. We can all argue about how high Garnacho's potential might actually be, but his goal and assist output is amongst the best in the world for a player his age, and he's doing that in the EPL for a struggling team!

Can you imagine how much that would cost to replace?!
Mate not worth the ban! I do think it’s ridiculous that everyone is on board with this, we are not a soulless club like Chelsea or city.
 
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Bud, you’ve since admitted Garnacho “might” reach those levels after claiming he already had. Make your mind up.
Haha you took what I said to mean he had already reached them, you said Nani was significantly a better player than Garnacho and that was a fact. Their g/a to minutes on the pitch isn’t that much different no matter how you look at it and that’s not taking into account Nani playing in one of the best teams we’ve ever had compared to one of the worst.
 
Nobody is selling anybody at that fee. Napoli are memeing with those offers.
 
If we are considering a sale, I think we have to be asking for at least £60m. Not sure it would be worth it for much less.

So, how does it work out...if we sell him for £60m do we get to spend the whole fee in Jan? Or would we able to spend more due to Klarna, Mike? Selling and leaving us with lack of options upfront...doesn't appeal to me.
 
So, how does it work out...if we sell Jim for £60m do we get to spend the whole fee in Jan? Or would we able to spend more due to Klarna, Mike? Selling and leaving us with lack of options upfront...doesn't appeal to me.
Moneyball, Spoons.

But seriously, I’d only be considering a sale if the club thinks he’s not up to scratch or has attitude problems.
 
Not his biggest fan but wouldn’t sell him for anything below 80-100M GBP. He is young, has a good end-product and one of our very few players who has some pace on him. While the current formation does not support wingers: a) he is very young and should be able to adjust as a No. 10, b) no guarantee that Amorim would be here long term.

Selling him for what Napoli is offering would be ridiculous, that is basically somewhere in between what we paid for Zirkzee and Mount, far less than Hojlund Sancho or Antony, all worse players than him. It would be extremely hard to get a better player, especially if young, for that amount of money
 
Disregarding the pros and cons of selling Garnacho, the fact that with just 2 weeks to go this window we've not heard a peep as to who might be his replacement, makes me quite certain we won't be selling him this window.
 
I enjoyed Moneyball, Mike.
The problem we're trying to solve is that there are rich teams and there are poor teams. Then there's fifty feet of crap, and then there's us. It's an unfair game. And now we've been gutted.

Spoons, you're still trying to replace Garnacho. I told you we can't do it, and we can't do it. Now, what we might be able to do is re-create him. Re-create him in the aggregate.
 
Disregarding the pros and cons of selling Garnacho, the fact that with just 2 weeks to go this window we've not heard a peep as to who might be his replacement, makes me quite certain we won't be selling him this window.
The media have made more out of this January window than any I've ever seen. It's business as usual for clubs in January, as in naff alls happening
 
Disregarding the pros and cons of selling Garnacho, the fact that with just 2 weeks to go this window we've not heard a peep as to who might be his replacement, makes me quite certain we won't be selling him this window.
Was thinking that the other day. Surely we wouldn't sell him without replacement, right?!
 
The problem we're trying to solve is that there are rich teams and there are poor teams. Then there's fifty feet of crap, and then there's us. It's an unfair game. And now we've been gutted.

Spoons, you're still trying to replace Garnacho. I told you we can't do it, and we can't do it. Now, what we might be able to do is re-create him. Re-create him in the aggregate.


Problem is I enjoy winning the odd game and doing the likes of Arsenal and City over. I don't like PSR and the blinking loophole. And bring back your podcast, Mike.
 
Was thinking that the other day. Surely we wouldn't sell him without replacement, right?!
Assuming Rashford is leaving, and if we sell Garnacho, we'll be left with the following for the front 3 positions- Hojlund, Zirkzee, Bruno, Amad, Mount (who it would be insane to rely on to stay fit) and Antony ( who might leave himself, even if he doesn't having him as a #10 option makes me want to cry).

So it would be utter madness to sell Garnacho now. Any player we want to buy to replace him would be massively overpriced and would arrive under immense pressure. Even if we do want to sell, it should absolutely wait until the summer.
 
Just for context. If we sell him for £50m. That’s 50m instant profit.

To re-invest that in 1 transaction that is £250m. £250m player that gets you spread across a 5 year contract. This is why this sale makes good business.