Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

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Uncle Mainoo said:
Just for context. If we sell him for £50m. That’s 50m instant profit.

To re-invest that in 1 transaction that is £250m. £250m player that gets you spread across a 5 year contract. This is why this sale makes good business.
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Selling your best young players is never good business as a football club.
 
moses said:
It depends on who they spend the money on.

Garnacho is only starting because we are short of attackers. As good as he is, he's not ready to start, and we need someone who is. It's the opposite of kicking through can down the road in that regard.

Ideally we could keep him, back his development and supplement the squad but if we have no cash, and his attitude is not 100%, and the offer is good then a sale makes sense.
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Just thinking financially. If you sell for 50M and spend 250M, that's fine for PSR. This year. But will mean you need to sell again shortly
 
I wonder if another team will come into contention here.

I've always seen him as a player who would interest Simeone.
 
hellhunter said:
Just thinking financially. If you sell for 50M and spend 250M, that's fine for PSR. This year. But will mean you need to sell again shortly
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The hope is by then we have a team that we can promote the very promising youth teams into I suppose. And if they are not good enough, we can sell them.

This current team is not ideal for blooding young players.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Agree.
Unless you are a mid table football club.
Mid lower table clubs always end up selling their best young players.
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Are Chelsea and City mid table clubs then? They seem to doing fine even after selling their best young players.

Just off the top of my head Chelsea sold Livramento, Hall, Guehi, Tomori, Hutchinson, Maatsen, Tammy Abraham and other academy players I'm missing. Same with City and Palmer, Lavia, Delap, Harwood-Belis, Sancho, Pedro Porro, Frimpong etc.

This notion that we will be a mid table club just cause we will sell Garnacho is funny. We will be absolutely fine with selling Garnacho if we get a good few million for him. It's not like we are selling a certified world class player here.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
Just for context. If we sell him for £50m. That’s 50m instant profit.

To re-invest that in 1 transaction that is £250m. £250m player that gets you spread across a 5 year contract. This is why this sale makes good business.
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Who is this £250m player, that will want to come to United after 2 years without UCL football?

That's my biggest concern. We might be able to go out and get a couple of players that fit the new system better than Garnacho does, but how good are they actually going to be? We're not getting Mendes or Davies as a LWB.

More then likely it'll be someone else young and developing, not ready made. Seems like a huge gamble to me.
 
saik said:
This notion that we will be a mid table club just cause we will sell Garnacho is funny. We will be absolutely fine with selling Garnacho if we get a good few million for him. It's not like we are selling a certified world class player here.
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I would think that the notion is more about replacing him.

In the dozen or so seasons since Sir Alex left the club, I can count the number of players who have been replaced by someone better on a single hand.

I have not seen a single thing that suggests anything has improved in scouting to suggest the money from garnacho would turn into improvements in the squad.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I would think that the notion is more about replacing him.

In the dozen or so seasons since Sir Alex left the club, I can count the number of players who have been replaced by someone better on a single hand.

I have not seen a single thing that suggests anything has improved in scouting to suggest the money from garnacho would turn into improvements in the squad.
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Well if we are persisting with Amorim and his system then we won't need to replace Garnacho directly anyways as he's a winger and we don't play with one in this system. We will go for a creative player who is comfortable playing at no.10.

And, it might just be me, but we have a new structure now and I rate the summer business we have done. De Ligt, Ugarte, Mazraoui are all good players signed at a good age and good price point. Didn't overpay for any of those. I argue Zirkzee was at the right age and right price point as well but hasn't had the impact we hoped for yet. I believe they will continue business in the same way and get in players at a good age and price point.
 
The whole PSR discussion is a bizarre development in football.

Every fan is an accountant these days. Getting giddy about pure profit just seem so far removed from why we all started watching football in the first place.

Odd to celebrate flogging a kid that won the youth cup a few years back and has gotten double figures G/A every season since.
 
duffer said:
I wonder if Simeone had any say whatsover when Atletico sold him to Man United. He was only 16 but must've been on his radar as one of their best prospects.
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No idea how reliable Ben Jacobs is but according to him Simeone really likes Garnacho as a player but there is a bit of bitterness over how he left. Apparently they refer to him as Gazpacho cause they found him very cold and disrespectful.
 
RuudTom83 said:
The whole PSR discussion is a bizarre development in football.

Every fan is an accountant these days. Getting giddy about pure profit just seem so far removed from why we all started watching football in the first place.

Odd to celebrate flogging a kid that won the youth cup a few years back and has gotten double figures G/A every season since.
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Well said
 
RuudTom83 said:
The whole PSR discussion is a bizarre development in football.

Every fan is an accountant these days. Getting giddy about pure profit just seem so far removed from why we all started watching football in the first place.

Odd to celebrate flogging a kid that won the youth cup a few years back and has gotten double figures G/A every season since.
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It’s not that bizarre if you think about it. Fans have always wanted new signings, but PSR wasn’t a consideration a few years ago. Fans ultimately only care about PSR because they still want those signings. And who can blame them? It’s clear we need huge investment, and it’s also fairly apparent that Garnacho isn’t ideal in this system, and there’s growing question marks over what his potential actually is.
 
Crimson King said:
Who is this £250m player, that will want to come to United after 2 years without UCL football?

That's my biggest concern. We might be able to go out and get a couple of players that fit the new system better than Garnacho does, but how good are they actually going to be? We're not getting Mendes or Davies as a LWB.

More then likely it'll be someone else young and developing, not ready made. Seems like a huge gamble to me.
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I understand that but the scenario you are painting happens whether Garnacho is here or not. If he stays we don’t climb to 4th. If he leaves like your pointing out we don’t climb to 4th. But atleast we have room to build a squad.

It’s up to the club to decide how that is done. It shouldn’t be this hard to build a competitive team. We have to stop pretending our rivals are more attractive because of champions league football. Are players going to start to pick Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest or Newcastle over us because of league position?

We are still comfortable top 6 for any player looking to come to the prem or playing in the prem. Me personally you use that money in January to get a LWB and a 10. Who that is; find one. You probably have £80-100m to play with. Who would you go for with that? Let’s see if the team looks better with the players you think?
 
I mean if Kvara who is extremely rated on here (world class for some) went for €70m surely €55m seems fair for Garnacho? Not every football clubs are as silly as we are, certainly not italian ones. No one is paying more than that.
 
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RuudTom83 said:
The whole PSR discussion is a bizarre development in football.

Every fan is an accountant these days. Getting giddy about pure profit just seem so far removed from why we all started watching football in the first place.

Odd to celebrate flogging a kid that won the youth cup a few years back and has gotten double figures G/A every season since.
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Who is celebrating?

Seems to me some fans just think that selling a player who doesn’t fit in that well with Amorim’s system so we can invest in players who do fit in with Amorim’s system is worth considering if the right money is offered. Even if you disagree with that, it still seems like a fairly pragmatic assessment based on the reality of where we’re at as as club right now.
 
Don't see the issue.
We'll just buy him back for triple the price in a few years time.
 
saik said:
Are Chelsea and City mid table clubs then? They seem to doing fine even after selling their best young players.

Just off the top of my head Chelsea sold Livramento, Hall, Guehi, Tomori, Hutchinson, Maatsen, Tammy Abraham and other academy players I'm missing. Same with City and Palmer, Lavia, Delap, Harwood-Belis, Sancho, Pedro Porro, Frimpong etc.

This notion that we will be a mid table club just cause we will sell Garnacho is funny. We will be absolutely fine with selling Garnacho if we get a good few million for him. It's not like we are selling a certified world class player here.
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Chelsea and City? Are always going to spend big to replace anybody they sell.
 
Zumbi said:
No. It’s objectively true that Nani was a more productive player with a more consistent end product per minutes played than Garnacho.

Garnacho may develop into a player as productive as Nani, but he may not.
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What are the stats at the same age though? Garnacho is quite good for a 20 year old.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
Just for context. If we sell him for £50m. That’s 50m instant profit.

To re-invest that in 1 transaction that is £250m. £250m player that gets you spread across a 5 year contract. This is why this sale makes good business.
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did you find the tories magic money tree?
 
RuudTom83 said:
The whole PSR discussion is a bizarre development in football.

Every fan is an accountant these days. Getting giddy about pure profit just seem so far removed from why we all started watching football in the first place.

Odd to celebrate flogging a kid that won the youth cup a few years back and has gotten double figures G/A every season since.
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Absolutely agree in general with you. That is why i would never (even for 100 mil) sell Mainoo.
Same would go for Garnacho IF we play with wingers. But we don't anymore. I would rather have no10 player who is natural on that position than trying to fit Garnacho there who is just not no10 player. So, if we can get big fee for him it would be wise to sell him. Despite the fact that it will leave bad taste.
 
It's crazy how overrated Garnacho is in the eyes of a lot of United fans. Just because he's young and has been decent for us, doesn't automatically warrant world class potential.

It feels like every poster claiming it would be idiotic to sell him only brings up his age in his favour and how he's got a lot of room to grow...but does he really? What about him as a player makes you think he's gonna become one of the best wingers in the world? He's good at most things but exceptional in nothing.
 
Tarrou said:
What are the stats at the same age though? Garnacho is quite good for a 20 year old.
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He is quite good for a 20 year old. Is he good enough to turn down a 60 million offer for him if someone makes one? I’m not so sure.
 
Zumbi said:
He is quite good for a 20 year old. Is he good enough to turn down a 60 million offer for him if someone makes one? I’m not so sure.
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In the context of him not fitting the system, I don't think he is. However, we don't know how much the manager rates him in those roles, nor Garnacho's thoughts on the matter. If he wants to stay, and the manager wants him to stay, then we should keep him.
 
It's going to take a lot to convince me that we should part with a young, talented player who is and has the potentially to be very useful for us. There's a lot of shit in the squad that needs to go. I'd rather we work on that first before we get to him.

It'll be farcical if we manage to move on Garnacho before Shaw, Mount, and Casemiro.
 
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