I could do with 50 million, so yes.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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And replace him with a 70m tosh? We shouldn't sell our best prospects. It's absurd this is even a thing.
Who would people like for us to buy to replace Garnacho?
I've been trying to find someone who is better suited at LAM but honestly it seems much harder to find a quality player than at RAM even if Garnacho doesnt fit the system.
Garnacho's improving his crossing is the main thing ive seen recently so people saying he has nothing to improve on isnt right - he has just added crossing to his game and since he has returned he is making a goal a game assist if we include Antony's howler that Amad would have scored if they switched positions.
In a world we used Cleverley, Anderson, Butt, Fletcher, O'shea, Silvestre, Valencia, Ashley Young and maybe even Nani (the player i feel like he could reach the heights of) - a squad doesnt have to be filled with world class players and for me Garnacho is more than useful.
There's a part of me that think he is getting a bit of too much hate though - the same people who said Maguire & Rashford isnt good enough seems to have found their new target.
For that reason as a young 20 year old he should probably leave early as i feel sorry for the kid and now every time he messes up something he will have alot of people laughing at him and shouting "i told you so".
I've been trying to find someone who is better suited at LAM but honestly it seems much harder to find a quality player than at RAM even if Garnacho doesnt fit the system.
Garnacho's improving his crossing is the main thing ive seen recently so people saying he has nothing to improve on isnt right - he has just added crossing to his game and since he has returned he is making a goal a game assist if we include Antony's howler that Amad would have scored if they switched positions.
In a world we used Cleverley, Anderson, Butt, Fletcher, O'shea, Silvestre, Valencia, Ashley Young and maybe even Nani (the player i feel like he could reach the heights of) - a squad doesnt have to be filled with world class players and for me Garnacho is more than useful.
There's a part of me that think he is getting a bit of too much hate though - the same people who said Maguire & Rashford isnt good enough seems to have found their new target.
For that reason as a young 20 year old he should probably leave early as i feel sorry for the kid and now every time he messes up something he will have alot of people laughing at him and shouting "i told you so".
No club in the world would let us see a player of his age and profile for 50m.
If INEOS fix nothing else, I hope they at least make us savvier in the market, we overpay whenever we buy and we sell for way too cheap.
I don’t think we should sell at all under ideal circumstances, but context is important. The context here is that he’s a winger in a system with no wingers and we have PSR to contend with and profits from his sale would go a long way in strengthening 2-3 positions in which we are desperate, and that our summer transfers were much better than we’ve seen pre-INEOS. With that context in mind, I would find anything north of 70m very hard to resist.
That's my big problem with this. People are just looking at the 50m and are forgetting how bad we are with money.
A better way of looking at it would be to ask yourself would you sell Garnacho for 5/8 of Antony?
I don't think the intention would be to replace him with an attacking mid player suited more to the system, but rather use the funds to bolster other positions which are clearly sore weakpoints for the entire system, namely wingbacks and strikers.
£55 - £60m probably. Under that don't sell.
There are selling clubs out there who are a hell of a lot better than we are nowadays, despite frequently selling their prospects to fund transfer business. We need to be more hard nosed. I'm not even convinced all players are capable of reaching their full potential by spending their whole careers at the same club. Especially when that club has been as uninspiring as United has been for the past decade. Most players get bored and lose their enthusiasm.
£50m + £5m in add ons would probably be a good price, depending on the payment structure.
It's funny how you're trying to be sarcastic, when plenty of people have been calling for that for far longer.
Not even for 8/5 of Antony.
He's not getting picked, you don't need to replace him. You'd spend the money selling him would free up on a left back or centre forward I'd imagine.
Madness to think of selling him when you think of the other players our squads made up of, you sell the worst players not the decent ones,
Let’s worry about shifting dross like Rashford and Anthony first while maybe getting in one or 2 to let him grow without pressure before thinking of getting rid, he’s 20 and £50m wouldn’t even replace him
Let’s worry about shifting dross like Rashford and Anthony first while maybe getting in one or 2 to let him grow without pressure before thinking of getting rid, he’s 20 and £50m wouldn’t even replace him
Which doesn’t make any sense at all because the people overseeing transfers now are completely different to the people who made the Anthony transfer.
I could just as easily say would you sell Garnacho for two Amads?
The answer to that one is yes, obviously, but that also wouldn’t make any sense because the people who made the Amad transfer are completely different to the people overseeing transfers now.
The only question that makes sense currently is would you sell Garnacho to fund the current set ups transfer targets? And no one’s got a fecking clue what they are because we haven’t yet seen a single transfer under the current Amorim/Ineos set up.
You owe us from the Mount sale. First as a gesture of goodwill you should buy Antony from us, and then we discuss Garnacho a few years down the road
I don't want Garnacho or Antony thank you very much!You owe us from the Mount sale. First as a gesture of goodwill you should buy Antony from us, and then we discuss Garnacho a few years down the road
Well we (fans) didn’t want Mount either, but such is life
I have no idea why there are these Chelsea rumours when you are already stacked there and already have Sancho lined up for a permanent deal.
The question is, would we replace Ganarcho? If so how much would it cost for the upgrade of a 20y.o Ganarcho?
Chuck Felsea.
Surely the correct wording on the cafe is 'Check Felsea'.
More than the selling price
There are so many players we should get rid off ahead of Garnacho to free up funds:
1. Rashford (16m/year)
2. Lindelof (6m/year)
3. Antony (10m/year)
4. Sancho (on the way out) (10m/year)
5. Casemiro (18m/year)
6. Eriksen (8m/year)
7. Mount (13m/year)
Total Gross Savings = 81m/year
Replacements @ 5m/year = 35m
Net Savings in Wages = 46m/year
Cost of Acquisition = 200m (40m/year amortized)
The above players barely contribute anything any longer and have no scope for development (except maybe Mount if he stays injury free). Add Luke Shaw to that list as well.
Garnacho is one of the best prospects in the world right now and was recently in the golden boy nominee list. Selling him at 20 is madness.
Well i think Bruno is horrible as an AM in this system and provides no width, when looking at sporting lisbon and cosindering how much people want gyokeres - its more width playing creative players we need than Bruno as a LAM since he is better centrally than outwide.
We are going to get rid of Rashford, Eriksen, Casemiro, Lindelof, Antony, Shaw, Malacia, Bayindir and Evans.
I dont know how PSR works but surely getting rid of all those wages is going to help with our spending because if not then every team in the PL should struggle without making a sale.
Id also sell Hojlund & Onana before Garnacho considering how much they cost.
I dont think Garnacho is unsellable, but 50 million is only going to get you one Ugarte level player at best - not 2 or 3 & whilst Ugarte has been amazing, im not sure if he is world class yet either.
Bit torn on this because we have complained in the past that we're not savvy sellers, and if we're going to be savvy sellers, that also means selling at a time when general consensus is that it's slightly premature or that we're losing a talented player.
I have my doubts about Garnacho. He's very useful as a sort of touchline hugging winger in a counter-attacking team but he's another who is quite one dimensional and struggles against low-blocks.
I have my doubts about Garnacho. He's very useful as a sort of touchline hugging winger in a counter-attacking team but he's another who is quite one dimensional and struggles against low-blocks.
If you sell a homegrown player like Garnacho for 50m the amount we can spend as a result almost triples.thats why we saw so many silly transfers during the summer between English clubs.
And therein lies the problem. We are skint.
This is exactly the kind of strong leadership and decision making needed- properly backing the manager which is what we’ve all been calling for.
Amorim doesn’t play with wingers and Garnacho doesn’t have the craft to play as a 10 and will never be a brilliant wing back so you have to put the emotion aside and sell him to be able to invest in the areas that really need investment to enable the system that we now play.
It’s a tough call but the right call.
Amorim doesn’t play with wingers and Garnacho doesn’t have the craft to play as a 10 and will never be a brilliant wing back so you have to put the emotion aside and sell him to be able to invest in the areas that really need investment to enable the system that we now play.
It’s a tough call but the right call.
Absolutely! Then go buy Tyler Dibling for 25 mill, he'll be a better player than Garnacho
Well, right now we’re struggling to even loan anyone out, what makes you think it’s possible to sell them? And without outgoings there won’t be incomings.
£50m would surely enable us to replace him, and even address other gaps in the squad.
(Ideally we wait until the summer with selling/recruiting so that there’s a greater pool of replacements to choose from)
One off moves aren't a good indicator of technical ability.
Players can neither consistent pull it off and the number of times a situation where one could even attempt it aren't frequent enough
There's a reason player don't usually train for overhead kicks
Same here. We should keep our best youngsters and continue to promote the best players from the academy. If our financial situation is as bad as reported (I feel it's exaggerated) then we shouldn't spend unless we offload the likes of Rashford, Casemiro and Antony.
Some kid scored the best goal I've ever seen against us couple of weeks back, an intentional overhead kick from just inside the 18 yard, top corner.
Yes our goalkeeper is 18 stone with a fecked knee and only plays because his rugby team won't start him anymore. Yes half of our team were on then piss the night before. Yes we play in one of the lowest rungs of Welsh football.
I'll forward his details to big Jim, I could be the Welsh Jorge Mendes.
Over half of the 7 players are leaving at the end of the season on a free/sale or actively looking, or the club is looking, for a loan move for them now. The other two (Casemiro, Mount) are impractical to try and move because of their contract situation. Maybe in Case's case there's a chance Saudi can cough up enough to help him move. So it seems obvious there's a will at the club for the majority of these players to go.
Getting permanent moves for Antony and Rashford is also hard for the same reason as Case/Mount. In Mount's case it's purely injury for me, if he can get and stay fit he's a good fit for the system and the manager clearly rates him as a player.
It's all well and good saying these players need to go before Garnacho, but it's easier said than done. I get people don't like that, but that's just the price of making bad transfer decisions. The reason there's a split in this thread over Garnacho being sold is down to opinions of him as a player and how people view his potential.
Why do you (and others) assume Dibling will be so cheap?
Some people appear to be missing the point, of course there is a list of players who should be moved on before Garnacho, but most of them are running down their final year or simply have zero appeal in the market.
I share the fear of Garnacho moving on and becoming worth £150m in a couple of years, but he isn’t going to do that here. He will never be suitable enough for our No10 role and WB is out of the question. So he will decline in value over the time that Amorim is here.
Bite the bullet, take £50m if we can get it.
I share the fear of Garnacho moving on and becoming worth £150m in a couple of years, but he isn’t going to do that here. He will never be suitable enough for our No10 role and WB is out of the question. So he will decline in value over the time that Amorim is here.
Bite the bullet, take £50m if we can get it.
They paid 70m for Mudryk. We shouls accept no less.
r u crazy. garnacho is a beast, still undeveloped, but great player. under 100 mil no way i would sell him for less..
Would anyone entertain Joao Felix as part of a swap deal? I feel like he would do well in one of the 10 roles.
I agree with this and the fact is, for the foreseeable future, we aren't going to be playing tactics that utilise Garnacho's strengths. This is likely to make him disillusioned if he fails to make the necessary adjustments to his game, which is difficult to do at this level of the game. So his value is likely to depreciate, he may one day become a £150m player but he won't at the current United.
What the team needs are wingbacks to make this system and manager work. Amorim failing here would be more disastrous for us than Garnacho reaching the value at Napoli that he has no chance of reaching here. If this is the cost we have to incur to give both a chance to do their best then so be it, maybe include a sell on clause, just in case.
People saying sell Lindelof first, well the club certainly would if someone was offering us good money for him. As for the fact that we are bad with money, Ineos have had a good start but we are just saddled with too much buggage accumulated from bad decisions of the previous era. Garnacho is one of the few saleable assets we have, who isn't a key starter like Diallo or Bruno and who we can replace (if it's too hard to scout and sign a 20 G+A no.10 with good off the ball work rate, then we might as well fold the club)
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