Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

pocco said:
Scoring an overhead kick isn’t the measure of a players technical ability. Otherwise I’ve seen a few Sunday league players we should be having a look at.

I could point to him missing an absolute sitter the other day if that’s the logic we’re using..
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And the other two occasions after he scored that overhead kick where he tried to do it again and didn't even hit the ball.
 
cpresc said:
It honestly blows my mind that so many people here would be happy to sell Garnacho. The kid is mint. Fergie would have loved him
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TBH I don't know. I genuinely believe as a club, we tend to overrate our youngsters far more than other teams due to our history of bringing through a few. I genuinely don't believe that Martial or Rashford had ever shown the type of talent that led us to reward them with the type of grace and money that we have. I would love for Garnacho to become a top talent, but in all honesty, it really isn't a guarantee like people want to make it seem.

In fact, I'd say, he scares me in some similar ways as Rashford and Martial used to. They were good in specific situations, but outside of those moments, when asked to do other things, they were always found wanting. In Rashford's case, he's has poor iq, poor dribbling, poor movement in the box, an inability to hold the ball and difficulty playing on the ground. His touch was always loose. As an attacker for a team trying to break down teams, outside of a few athletic bursts and strong shooting outside the box, he doesn't offer much. Martial could not play at all with his right foot, making him a completely liability when ever he wasn't given the space to cut inside. He wasn't a strong passer of the ball and struggled on the turn. His movement off the ball was horrendous as well. Not a good finisher either. Outside of using some dribbling ability to cut inside with his right foot, his impact on the game was pretty limited and barely showed signs of growing outside of a brief stint from in August 2020.

That's my big concern with Garnacho. What he has in his game is mostly confidence and being able to drive at the oppositon when given space. He's not a good finisher, cant really go on the outside, doesn't have a great touch, or have a good link up game. He may grow, but as a team, we need good quality now and one we can guarantee based on what they can currently provide.
 
tjb said:
TBH I don't know. I genuinely believe as a club, we tend to overrate our youngsters far more than other teams due to our history of bringing through a few. I genuinely don't believe that Martial or Rashford had ever shown the type of talent that led us to reward them with the type of grace and money that we have. I would love for Garnacho to become a top talent, but in all honesty, it really isn't a guarantee like people want to make it seem.

In fact, I'd say, he scares me in some similar ways as Rashford and Martial used to. They were good in specific situations, but outside of those moments, when asked to do other things, they were always found wanting. In Rashford's case, he's has poor iq, poor dribbling, poor movement in the box, an inability to hold the ball and difficulty playing on the ground. His touch was always loose. As an attacker for a team trying to break down teams, outside of a few athletic bursts and strong shooting outside the box, he doesn't offer much. Martial could not play at all with his right foot, making him a completely liability when ever he wasn't given the space to cut inside. He wasn't a strong passer of the ball and struggled on the turn. His movement off the ball was horrendous as well. Not a good finisher either. Outside of using some dribbling ability to cut inside with his right foot, his impact on the game was pretty limited and barely showed signs of growing outside of a brief stint from in August 2020.

That's my big concern with Garnacho. What he has in his game is mostly confidence and being able to drive at the oppositon when given space. He's not a good finisher, cant really go on the outside, doesn't have a great touch, or have a good link up game. He may grow, but as a team, we need good quality now and one we can guarantee based on what they can currently provide.
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Great post, agree, Gernacho reminds me of Rashford's track.
 
Who would people like for us to buy to replace Garnacho?

I've been trying to find someone who is better suited at LAM but honestly it seems much harder to find a quality player than at RAM even if Garnacho doesnt fit the system.

Garnacho's improving his crossing is the main thing ive seen recently so people saying he has nothing to improve on isnt right - he has just added crossing to his game and since he has returned he is making a goal a game assist if we include Antony's howler that Amad would have scored if they switched positions.

In a world we used Cleverley, Anderson, Butt, Fletcher, O'shea, Silvestre, Valencia, Ashley Young and maybe even Nani (the player i feel like he could reach the heights of) - a squad doesnt have to be filled with world class players and for me Garnacho is more than useful.

There's a part of me that think he is getting a bit of too much hate though - the same people who said Maguire & Rashford isnt good enough seems to have found their new target.

For that reason as a young 20 year old he should probably leave early as i feel sorry for the kid and now every time he messes up something he will have alot of people laughing at him and shouting "i told you so".
 
tentan said:
If they offered 50 mill would you sell him?
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No club in the world would let us see a player of his age and profile for 50m.

If INEOS fix nothing else, I hope they at least make us savvier in the market, we overpay whenever we buy and we sell for way too cheap.

I don’t think we should sell at all under ideal circumstances, but context is important. The context here is that he’s a winger in a system with no wingers and we have PSR to contend with and profits from his sale would go a long way in strengthening 2-3 positions in which we are desperate, and that our summer transfers were much better than we’ve seen pre-INEOS. With that context in mind, I would find anything north of 70m very hard to resist.
 
bringbackbebe said:
And replace him with a 70m tosh? We shouldn't sell our best prospects. It's absurd this is even a thing.
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That's my big problem with this. People are just looking at the 50m and are forgetting how bad we are with money.

A better way of looking at it would be to ask yourself would you sell Garnacho for 5/8 of Antony?
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
Who would people like for us to buy to replace Garnacho?

I've been trying to find someone who is better suited at LAM but honestly it seems much harder to find a quality player than at RAM even if Garnacho doesnt fit the system.

Garnacho's improving his crossing is the main thing ive seen recently so people saying he has nothing to improve on isnt right - he has just added crossing to his game and since he has returned he is making a goal a game assist if we include Antony's howler that Amad would have scored if they switched positions.

In a world we used Cleverley, Anderson, Butt, Fletcher, O'shea, Silvestre, Valencia, Ashley Young and maybe even Nani (the player i feel like he could reach the heights of) - a squad doesnt have to be filled with world class players and for me Garnacho is more than useful.

There's a part of me that think he is getting a bit of too much hate though - the same people who said Maguire & Rashford isnt good enough seems to have found their new target.

For that reason as a young 20 year old he should probably leave early as i feel sorry for the kid and now every time he messes up something he will have alot of people laughing at him and shouting "i told you so".
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I don't think the intention would be to replace him with an attacking mid player suited more to the system, but rather use the funds to bolster other positions which are clearly sore weakpoints for the entire system, namely wingbacks and strikers.
 
bringbackbebe said:
And replace him with a 70m tosh? We shouldn't sell our best prospects. It's absurd this is even a thing.
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There are selling clubs out there who are a hell of a lot better than we are nowadays, despite frequently selling their prospects to fund transfer business. We need to be more hard nosed. I'm not even convinced all players are capable of reaching their full potential by spending their whole careers at the same club. Especially when that club has been as uninspiring as United has been for the past decade. Most players get bored and lose their enthusiasm.
 
Castia said:
Yeah I remember the threads 18 months ago of everybody screaming for Amad to be starting games at United

His name was mentioned more in the ‘who to sell’ threads than those expecting him to be a first teamer and that’s a fact
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It's funny how you're trying to be sarcastic, when plenty of people have been calling for that for far longer.
 
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