Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Some people appear to be missing the point, of course there is a list of players who should be moved on before Garnacho, but most of them are running down their final year or simply have zero appeal in the market.

I share the fear of Garnacho moving on and becoming worth £150m in a couple of years, but he isn’t going to do that here. He will never be suitable enough for our No10 role and WB is out of the question. So he will decline in value over the time that Amorim is here.

Bite the bullet, take £50m if we can get it.
 
Would anyone entertain Joao Felix as part of a swap deal? I feel like he would do well in one of the 10 roles.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
There are selling clubs out there who are a hell of a lot better than we are nowadays, despite frequently selling their prospects to fund transfer business. We need to be more hard nosed. I'm not even convinced all players are capable of reaching their full potential by spending their whole careers at the same club. Especially when that club has been as uninspiring as United has been for the past decade. Most players get bored and lose their enthusiasm.
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I agree with this and the fact is, for the foreseeable future, we aren't going to be playing tactics that utilise Garnacho's strengths. This is likely to make him disillusioned if he fails to make the necessary adjustments to his game, which is difficult to do at this level of the game. So his value is likely to depreciate, he may one day become a £150m player but he won't at the current United.

What the team needs are wingbacks to make this system and manager work. Amorim failing here would be more disastrous for us than Garnacho reaching the value at Napoli that he has no chance of reaching here. If this is the cost we have to incur to give both a chance to do their best then so be it, maybe include a sell on clause, just in case.

People saying sell Lindelof first, well the club certainly would if someone was offering us good money for him. As for the fact that we are bad with money, Ineos have had a good start but we are just saddled with too much buggage accumulated from bad decisions of the previous era. Garnacho is one of the few saleable assets we have, who isn't a key starter like Diallo or Bruno and who we can replace (if it's too hard to scout and sign a 20 G+A no.10 with good off the ball work rate, then we might as well fold the club)
 
OleGunnar20 said:
Some kid scored the best goal I've ever seen against us couple of weeks back, an intentional overhead kick from just inside the 18 yard, top corner.

Yes our goalkeeper is 18 stone with a fecked knee and only plays because his rugby team won't start him anymore. Yes half of our team were on then piss the night before. Yes we play in one of the lowest rungs of Welsh football.

I'll forward his details to big Jim, I could be the Welsh Jorge Mendes.
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Siôr Menfflllywyndes and Christopher Vivell could make quite the team.
 
dinostar77 said:
Why would Chelsea want garnacho when Estavio is arriving from Brasil and plays in the same position?
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Chelsea's business strategy appears to be to buy every player in the world, thus removing all competition and winning everything by default
 
gobertan said:
This is what baffles me most about the discussion around these players. Garnacho is a hit and run winger. He has a keen positional sense and finds himself in good areas but his technical ability on the ball is really poor. And it hasn't improved. He's not going to suddenly unlock better dribbling technique at whatever random age interval if it hasn't improved over the last 100 appearances. I like his graft and he has some talent but this side has been crying out for technical players that can retain the ball. And that's one of his biggest weaknesses.
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Tbf that's a great quality, most of the talented youngsters who fail in the PL are because they can't get themselves into games to have any influence. He's almost always dangerous, which is why he made it so far in the PL not looking out of place.
 
I'm against selling to Chelsea unless it's a major fee. He's not a liability like Rashford or Sancho, and far from it.

We're only selling him as he doesn't fit the system, essentially. He's 20, has buckets of talent, and a strong mentality on the pitch.

They've been paying 100m for any old cnut these days so Garnacho should be worth that to them. Otherwise, feck off!
 
tjb said:
TBH I don't know. I genuinely believe as a club, we tend to overrate our youngsters far more than other teams due to our history of bringing through a few. I genuinely don't believe that Martial or Rashford had ever shown the type of talent that led us to reward them with the type of grace and money that we have. I would love for Garnacho to become a top talent, but in all honesty, it really isn't a guarantee like people want to make it seem.

In fact, I'd say, he scares me in some similar ways as Rashford and Martial used to. They were good in specific situations, but outside of those moments, when asked to do other things, they were always found wanting. In Rashford's case, he's has poor iq, poor dribbling, poor movement in the box, an inability to hold the ball and difficulty playing on the ground. His touch was always loose. As an attacker for a team trying to break down teams, outside of a few athletic bursts and strong shooting outside the box, he doesn't offer much. Martial could not play at all with his right foot, making him a completely liability when ever he wasn't given the space to cut inside. He wasn't a strong passer of the ball and struggled on the turn. His movement off the ball was horrendous as well. Not a good finisher either. Outside of using some dribbling ability to cut inside with his right foot, his impact on the game was pretty limited and barely showed signs of growing outside of a brief stint from in August 2020.

That's my big concern with Garnacho. What he has in his game is mostly confidence and being able to drive at the oppositon when given space. He's not a good finisher, cant really go on the outside, doesn't have a great touch, or have a good link up game. He may grow, but as a team, we need good quality now and one we can guarantee based on what they can currently provide.
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Last 3 games, he has set up 3 big chances by going on the outside. If anything, how Garnacho has responded to being benched has impressed me very much. He shows he’s willing to learn and improve. Look at his assist against Liverpool for Amad, assist for Bruno against Arsenal and the 2 times the crossed it in, but there was no one in the middle, and the cross to Antony against Southampton.

I can’t believe that you’re making a comment about him being unable to go on the outside after watching those 3 games. He clearly has a lot more to learn to play this system, but he’s very coach able and has a high ceiling.

I also like the fact that he’s deleted his social media account, and that seems to have come from the manager.

He’s making all the right decisions to fight for his place, unlike Rashford, and if it wasn’t for PSR - United would no way consider selling him.
 
If he cheered up a bit, used his brain a bit more often and finished more chances, there is definitely a player in there.

I'd say Amad is the only player I don't want sold but Garnacho is our only player with genuine pace. I'd keep him unless it's a silly offer. If we had a top striker, Amad/Garnacho/New Striker could be good going forward
 
duffer said:
Then you're left with a player your manager doesn't like and less money to buy ones he does.
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That isn't true. There are other teams interested.

It won't be the worst decision in thee world for us to keep him until the summer and reassess either. He'll get plenty of game-time.
 
duffer said:
Then you're left with a player your manager doesn't like and less money to buy ones he does.
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I'm not convinced Amorim doesn't like him. He's clearly struggling to find his role in the new setup, but he's showing progress and has been singled out for that by the coach
 
hellhunter said:
Feel like the last time they did, they still got good fees for some of their players
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They got over £50m for Lavia when they were relegated though they had spent around £15m to get him from City and City had a 20% sell on clause.

I'm assuming Dibling is an academy product, so they don't need to take into account how much they paid for him or any sell on clauses.
 
So posters on here are willing to get rid of a youngster from our academy who has potential and still has a long way to go because he does not fit in the #10 role, and want to replace him with an unproven right winger whose stats/numbers are nowhere Garnacho’s, to fit him in a position he has never played in. Only on the caf.
 
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