aah, sorry. However you never know on the cafAlejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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aah, sorry. However you never know on the cafI think selling him would be a mistake. Is he the second coming of Ronaldo, probably not but I still feel like selling a talent like him would me a mistake.
It’s all just clickbait nonsense.
He is going nowhere.
Why would we sell him, make the squad weaker when we cannot even spend the money this window anyway.
Let’s be thankful that we’re getting £25m at the end of the season from Chelsea for Sancho.
He is going nowhere.
Why would we sell him, make the squad weaker when we cannot even spend the money this window anyway.
Let’s be thankful that we’re getting £25m at the end of the season from Chelsea for Sancho.
It's just not clickbait though is it.
Is he likely to go in January? Probably not, but there is clearly interest, which is backed up by multiple credible sources.
A whooping 107 posts before our match, with half of them asking who he is and how he plays like
So you were wrong then.
If it makes you sleep at night, sure
You are odd.
Hell yes.
Possibly, if we got something like £70 million from Chelsea for Garnacho and then we paid something like £30-35 for Felix I think it would be a worthwhile deal.
I would be sad if he leaves, but I feel he doesn't quite fit into Amorim's system, even though he hasn’t yet been tried as a wingback. That said, I can understand the decision to sell him if a decent offer comes in. Letting him go would show that the club fully trusts Amorim and is committed to going all in on his vision.
This is what i dont understand.
He has started to create goal scoring chance every game since his return to first 11.
Surely it cant be only us who can see this?
Hopefully amorim does because i need to see Garnacho, Zirkzee and Amad playing in a front 3 before deciding if Garnacho is good enough or not for us long term.
I think Garancho can atleast reach Nani level was for United at similar age of Nani's peak. Obviously Garnacho cant reach Ronaldo and Rooney's level.
My god you are always here making comments like this that dont add anything to a dicussion arent you
its like Garancho slept with your partner or something. Crazy support.If Garnacho does stay, would you support him by the way?
It would great to hear a "yes" because somethings telling me it's not easy for you!
I mean theres people here who say they would be open to selling him at the right offer and theres people like you are trying to push him out for pennies as soon as possible
I like Amorim but I thought we were past going all in on a manager. If Amorim gets sacked in a year and we likely go back to a common 433 or 4231 then we’ll all be saying should have kept Garnacho when we end up having to go buy wingers
That’s my view as well. Trust the manager? Yes. But Amorim is at the club like what half a year maybe and selling one of our better players right after? Doesn’t sound good planning and business.
Careful now, you'll be called ignorant any momentThis is what i dont understand.
He has started to create goal scoring chance every game since his return to first 11.
Surely it cant be only us who can see this?
Hopefully amorim does because i need to see Garnacho, Zirkzee and Amad playing in a front 3 before deciding if Garnacho is good enough or not for us long term.
I think Garancho can atleast reach Nani level was for United at similar age of Nani's peak. Obviously Garnacho cant reach Ronaldo and Rooney's level.
My god you are always here making comments like this that dont add anything to a dicussion arent you
If Garnacho does stay, would you support him by the way?
It would great to hear a "yes" because somethings telling me it's not easy for you!
I mean theres people here who say they would be open to selling him at the right offer and theres people like you are trying to push him out for pennies as soon as possible
That's a pretty good point. He's also showing early signs of adapting to a new role
Garnacho isn't having a great season but he's a 20 year old PL proven winger. Scored in the FA Cup final. Won the Puskas award.
If we were trying to buy him the price tag would be around the £100m mark.
If we were trying to buy him the price tag would be around the £100m mark.
Yes he might be a bit profligate in front of goal but heck he's still only 20 and he gets you off your seat. Isn't that part of what being a United fan is?
Depending on your vintage, we've been brought up on Best, Morgan, Hill, Coppell, Sharp, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Rooney, Ronaldo (apologies for those I've missed out) etc and because tactical geniuses in here think he doesn't (yet) fit into the manager's system he can go. What??
Very short memories forget that he set up our two open play goals away to Liverpool and Arsenal recently and also layed one on a plate for Antony on Thursday.
Come on.....I for one would be disappointed to see him go.
Depending on your vintage, we've been brought up on Best, Morgan, Hill, Coppell, Sharp, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Rooney, Ronaldo (apologies for those I've missed out) etc and because tactical geniuses in here think he doesn't (yet) fit into the manager's system he can go. What??
Very short memories forget that he set up our two open play goals away to Liverpool and Arsenal recently and also layed one on a plate for Antony on Thursday.
Come on.....I for one would be disappointed to see him go.
I agree. He’s still got a lot of potential and he’s obviously going to improve end product etc. he’s only 20. He just needs to learn the new role Amorim wants. Like you said he’s got us a few assist recently and he’s exciting, always looks to take on the defenders. Maybe there’s an issue with his attitude that needs sorting but surely he’ll learn.
Absolutely. It's crazy the favours people want us to be doing other clubs, when we'd never come by the same.
don't know how old you were when Nani was at his peak but he was at one point one of the best wingers in the league. He also had way more to his game, really good at consistently beating a man, and could score from anywhere. His decision making could be iffy though. I don't see Garnacho anywhere near the same level of ability.This is what i dont understand.
He has started to create goal scoring chance every game since his return to first 11.
Surely it cant be only us who can see this?
Hopefully amorim does because i need to see Garnacho, Zirkzee and Amad playing in a front 3 before deciding if Garnacho is good enough or not for us long term.
I think Garancho can atleast reach Nani level was for United at similar age of Nani's peak. Obviously Garnacho cant reach Ronaldo and Rooney's level.
My god you are always here making comments like this that dont add anything to a dicussion arent you
If Garnacho does stay, would you support him by the way?
It would great to hear a "yes" because somethings telling me it's not easy for you!
I mean theres people here who say they would be open to selling him at the right offer and theres people like you are trying to push him out for pennies as soon as possible
The only issue I have with him leaving is we don't have much pace if he goes, but as an actual player, or as a talent he's nothing special imo.
Of course we should sell those first, but how many clubs would actually want to buy any of those players? You can't sell if no-one wants to buy.
Yes, but what do you do? Do you keep trying a player who doesn't fit into the current system, potentially devaluing an asset? Or do you try to sell them and buy better players for the current system? It's a tough decision, but I can understand the club selling if a good offer comes in. However, the list of players who should go first — but won't due to crazy contracts — is quite long.
I'd entertain it, he would be a good match for the system and could probably play anywhere across the front 3 relatively comfortably. My concern would be his wages and also where he stands if Amorim was to leave. Felix is a talented player but also a bit of a luxury player. He's not so good that he plays anyway and I think he's a specialist type of player that doesn't fit into every system.
Not the word I would have used, but it will do.
I'll admit I'm not 100 % sure how this 'pure profit' thing works, but say we sell him for £60 million, does that mean we get all that money in at once from an accounts point of view.
So in theory as transfers are amortised over 4-5 years this means we actually have £240 million-£300 million of new new money to potentially spend on new and previous transfers in the fitst year?
So in theory as transfers are amortised over 4-5 years this means we actually have £240 million-£300 million of new new money to potentially spend on new and previous transfers in the fitst year?
As far as I understand it yeah. But that 300m you’ve spent on new players will continue to hinder you over the coming years, so it isn’t free money but it does kick the problem down the road.
Great post
Nani was always extremely frustrating similar to Garnacho now and his ability has increased over the years by the looks of it. He was a good player for us, might have had the odd great season but that’s about it. Most people only remember his red card against Madrid and go on about that like we’d have won the whole thing if he hadn’t got it.
Garnacho is a good player and I think has the ability and more importantly the mentality to become a very good one. To your points above, he can also beat players consistently and has already shown can score from anywhere.
No-one in their right mind would pay £100m for hi.
Good, means we can keep him.
If other clubs want to buy our young talent fine but they can pay over the odds like we have to.
Not my first choice either
We pay over the odds because we're stupid tbf.
Nani was shadows below Ronaldo, Rooney and even Tevez at our best CL years. Nani was a very annoying player until he reached his peak.
Its only when Ronaldo and Tevez left that Nani became more our first team regular and still his peak was only a year and a half at max for me during the Rooney Bycicle Kick Era.
Garnacho is easily capable of that level of gameplay of being a player on top form for 1 &a half years continuosly which is how i would personally describe Nani. Considering he is 20, i feel like he can be as good as Nani or even better but unlikely to be elite standard either.
Even at 20, Garnacho's goals have been better for me to watch with some already having importance in the FA Cup etc & he has a good 7-8 years to go before reaching peak Nani levels.
Yes that makes sense, base everything we do on the metric of our worst ever signing. A signing made by people who aren't at the club anymore too.
I'd certainly swap him for another player of the level of Ugarte or 4 players of the level of Mazraoui.
Please. I ask you to go watch Nani at his peak and don't just focus on his end product. Garnacho hasn't shown anywhere near the level of talent Nani showed at age 20. This overrating of Garnacho is crazy.
I get that and he's struggled to fit in at a couple of clubs now. He's certainly looked good for Chelsea in Europe, albeit against weaker teams and there's something about him that suggests he'd thrive in the right environment. Presumably Amorim will be backed to bring in players to suit his system. He would be an odd appointment if that wasn't the case.
Yeah, so you either need to continue to sell a player like this each year, or buy the players that get us back in the CL.
It does make alot of sense, as Amorim needs to be given a proper chance to buy the players he wants, and I don't see where we get any money from if we don't do something like this.
What would be a kick in the teeth though is if we do it and most of the money just goes on our previous years mistakes, as I have no idea where we are with that.
Arsenal and Chelsea paid similar money for Mudryk and Havertz. Liverpool paid £100m for Nunez.
Young talent comes at a (massive) premium these days. Garnacho is probably our most valuable player when you take age and contract length into account.