Nothing less than £100 million upfront from Chelsea for him. They would rinse us if it was the other way around
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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I probably have called Rashford a cnut. Don't remember.
I'll hand myself in to the police.
Can you name a handful of games in the last 18 months where he has been "phenomenal"?
I'd like to go back and watch them.
I don't think the fact he's from our academy should really matter. Running yourself into the ground is supposed to be the bare minimum by the way.
Not turning against him at all, personally think it's an absolute disgrace we have to sell our talents to stay within PSR. Wouldn't be in this situation if clowns like Woody ran things better in the first place.
Shame he’s not in his last year with a crippling injury record, we might get a decent fee for him then. Hang on, that was us wasn’t it.
I think both Sancho and Rashford looked better/more exciting players at the same age he is now, particularly Sancho. Both quite didn't progress much from there in many ways, which is something I think may well happen to Garna.
Sort of my point earlier. At least with teenage Rashford you could see he was raw and needed development, but had clear standout abilities (gamebreaking explosive pace, excellent take on threat, serious ball striking talent) so the building blocks from there were evident. He ultimately didn't develop into the finished product but the potential always made sense. Gr**nwood clearly had an ultra rare ability to strike the ball and finish with both feet that few players in football can rival. Even Mainoo, who some people have gotten frustrated with, has an elite ability to keep the ball under pressure and carry it past defenders for a midfielder. With Garnacho, he doesn't have any of those standout abilities and generally people just point to some solid raw numbers (in terrible teams and generally with poor 90 minute performances outside of the production) and the fact that he is a dogged player always trying to be direct. But the buck generally stops there, apart from the "he's dangerous every game" cliches that don't really have evidence to back up the claim.
If you are talking about Mount then that's just inaccurate.
You completely didn’t understand my post, no one is talking about Chelsea making a statement but you
How so?
He didn't have a crippling injury record at Chelsea. That's a massive exaggeration/untruth.
He played:
19/20 - 53 games (0 missed)
20/21 - 54 games (0 missed)
21/22 - 53 games (4 missed)
22/23 - 35 games (13 missed)
That's a pretty fantastic record aside from when he got a pelvic injury in the last 3-4 months he was at Chelsea which kept him out for 12 games.
I made a similar point in Garnacho's performance thread a couple of months ago: there isn't a single standout attribute in his game that makes me believe he's destined to become a world-class player. I don't think we'd regret selling him at this point. Aside from his off-the-ball movement, which allows him to get into positions for numerous attempts on goal, and his tenacity, there's not much else to his game.
Sure, his decision-making can improve, but that’s not the only area that needs work. He’s physically weak, often brushed off the ball with ease, and his pace is just about average for his position. His technique—whether it’s finishing or dribbling—is very average at best. After around 120 senior appearances, there’s been little progress in these aspects, and they’re not traits that can be drastically improved just because he's still only 20. So yea, I'd say we should sell him while his stock is high.
50m for him and another 50m to take Mount back.
It can swing both ways, Salah was thrown aside by Chelsea and grown into an incredible player, he may not be better than Rashford or Sancho at equivalent ages but the club have faith he will push on to become a better player. TBH any body progressing at this club is miles better than the player regression we have seen over the past 10 years when joining the club.
Mainoo should not be for sale. He’s a special talent.
Garnacho is a good young player who doesn’t suit our system. I’d want him to develop here but it makes sense to be open to offers.
Not sure I agree that ignorance Is easily captured or assessed on a forum where half of us aren’t as concerned with elaborating our opinions, especially on a mobile.Just because someone disagrees with me? Did you see that post and how ignorant it sounded
Amad is interesting to me because besides being great and fun to watch, I’ve wanted a player like him in our squad as long as I csn remember. Have we had similar?
It read to me as very dismissive personally.
Swap for Chilwell + Sterling. Everyone is happy.
See, how can you know this? Do you have access to his thoughts, values and mental toughness or are you a mainstay at Carrington? Assessing someones mentality or ego from afar is guesswork.
We all thought Nani was mentally frail, but according to Rio, he was very tough mentally.
Whether this is a clause in that pathetic takeover they were allowed to extract themselves from Roman, or that ridiculous hotel thing they were allowed to do, I just don't get how Chelsea are seemingly unaffected by PSR.
Not even in jest duffer.
How much sterling? £70 million
Well, I am hardly one to argue how others should form their opinions. As I said, I prefer the current Amad. Very few players are of that calibre and skillset.
Garnacho is a much more «common» winger. He is very direct, quick, can be quite productive and arguably stretches defenses more than Amad.
I think we should be cautious of selling either, but only Amad is a complete no-go for me.
He was injured when we bought him though, and had been for 4 months. We couldn’t have waited 12 months to see if he got over his problems and signed him on a free?
We'd be dumb to sell someone his age who actually has talent. And 5 times as dumb only a couple of months into hiring a new manager and part way through a season which could end up being 60+ games long.
I wonder what the opinion of players like Salah or Mane would have been on here when they were Garnacho's age? Or even Amad.
Players like Rashford who've developed and then stagnated yes, ship them out of the manager isnt getting enough from them. Players who you don't even know how good they'll be yet and would have to spend a bucket of money and give a much bigger contract to a replacement, absolutely do not sell, for self explanatory reasons..
I wonder what the opinion of players like Salah or Mane would have been on here when they were Garnacho's age? Or even Amad.
Players like Rashford who've developed and then stagnated yes, ship them out of the manager isnt getting enough from them. Players who you don't even know how good they'll be yet and would have to spend a bucket of money and give a much bigger contract to a replacement, absolutely do not sell, for self explanatory reasons..
That's fair but as I said he did not at all have a crippling injury record like you suggested, quite the opposite. He had a pelvic injury that required an operation in the months before we signed him and obviously has just had terrible luck since.
Chelsea enquire about 100 different players every single window. Nothing new here
Well yeah, but they also buy half of them.
Starting to get Adan Januzaj vibes from the lad. Played too much, too early due to lack of options.
There's a definite talent there but unconvinced he'll make it here under the present management, don't see him as a No 10, don't see him as a wing back. If the number is right, move him on with best wishes,
There's a definite talent there but unconvinced he'll make it here under the present management, don't see him as a No 10, don't see him as a wing back. If the number is right, move him on with best wishes,
Pretty much my conclusion as well (which people seem to take as "oh you hate our own players etc). Think he can be a useful player for a good team, but I certainly don't think there's some big chance he becomes a world beater and thus making him unsellable. He has huge value right now because of the numbers and his age.
Surprised they're not interested in Rashford tbh.
They’ve got sancho for the bad attitude. Doubt even they’d want 2 of them.
100m for Chelsea. They can get fecked. Why not just give them Rashford. They love crazy wages.
They have a very specific recruitment model and Rashford is actually too old for what they are looking for. I am sure I read that moving forward they won't sign anyone over 25 as resale value is seen as an essential part of their model.
The media reports that we do that. I wonder how much if it is true.
Do we?
Reasonable wages seem crazy to us, after being indoctrinated by Woodward's logic of paying as much as humanly possible per week.
The game in Scotland is way more physical than the PL , he wasn't physically developed enough TBH, that was a piss-poor decision to send him there on loan IMO
Mowbray really managed his game time well in the Championship too, at that point in his career he had barely played any first-team football. Mowbray was fantastic for his development and deserves a lot of credit.
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