Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Yes please. Don't care where he goes but it would be fantastic business if we can 60m or more for him. Just a painfully average player that people have hyped to the heavens just cause he's an academy player. Rashford was more talented(better physically, bags of pace, better finisher) than Garnacho when he broke through and he's not close to a world class player either.

Not that I believe it to be true but if there's any semblance of truth behind Mainoo demanding 200k/w for his new contract then he needs to be sold as well.
 
Bon1803 said:
Quite a lot forgot his debut for his. He scored a nice header but the thing that stood out for me was how comfortable he was on the ball.
Some players glide with the ball and he is one of them.

Still struggle to understand why it took so long for him to get a proper run in the side.
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Agreed. Amad was messed about really. We should have given him more opportunities early on. The Rangers loan was terrible and we were fortunate that Tony Mowbray did such a good job with him. Even following that loan, we still fecked him about. It's testament to his talent and mentality that it looks as if he's come through all of this unscathed. We are very fortunate that he didn't tell us where to go. The perception of him as recently as last season was staggering. Mainoo, Garnacho and Højlund were put on a pedestal, whilst Amad was just some other young lad we had on the fringes of the team.
 
Dan_F said:
Yeah we are famously great at player judgement :lol:

I’m pretty sure the reason the club aren’t looking to sell Amad is because he just got a run in the team this season and has been in a great run of form. There would be riots. If we’d have tried to sell him in the summer we’d have struggled to get the money we paid back.

I wouldn’t include me in that. I don’t think he should be a starter for us, I don’t know if he will turn out to be world class. I just don’t think that being in the habit of selling your best 20 year olds is where United should be as a club. What are we going to do? Sell him for £50 million and pay another team more to buy someone else? I have absolutely no faith that they will find someone better than 20 year old Garnacho, let alone what a 25 year old Garnacho could grow into.
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We haven't brought many great players through the academy recently either to any success. I don't think we can look at the past decade and just basically assume that whatever we do will be rubbish. We have to make decisions to the best of our ability.

Re Amad I think it is much more to do with his level as a player. I am perfectly okay with us giving players a good number of games (117 is a very good number imo) and then making a decision on them.

I don't think we are a club that sells top talents routinely and I don't think that is any indication that we are becoming one.
 
Berbaclass said:
Me saying, I don't see anything particularly outstanding about Garnacho is not something I consider to be destructive criticism.

Why would I be wound up? Bit of an odd thing to assume :lol:
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I agree with that as a standalone but the poster referred to your frequency. I think you also called Rashford a cnut? Could be wrong if I am apologies, but it's a bit far.
 
Disappointing to see people here turning back against him. He is not as bad as Sancho , Rashford in terms of both current form and temperament.
He was a phenomenal player for us for last couple of seasons even when others in the squad were pretty bad. He is having bad phase which i think mainly due to the different style of new manager.
Young players go through a phase sometimes. Amorim binning Rashford will bring Garnacho back to ground.
Him and Amad on left and right wings would be the way forward for us , assuming Amad will still be good as he is this season. What we need is a proper CF who can score goals.
 
Nothing less than £100 million upfront from Chelsea for him. They would rinse us if it was the other way around
 
VP89 said:
I agree with that as a standalone but the poster referred to your frequency. I think you also called Rashford a cnut? Could be wrong if I am apologies, but it's a bit far.
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I probably have called Rashford a cnut. Don't remember.

I'll hand myself in to the police.
 
skc_18 said:
Disappointing to see people here turning back against him. He is not as bad as Sancho , Rashford in terms of both current form and temperament.
He was a phenomenal player for us for last couple of seasons even when others in the squad were pretty bad. He is having bad phase which i think mainly due to the different style of new manager.
Young players go through a phase sometimes. Amorim binning Rashford will bring Garnacho back to ground.
Him and Amad on left and right wings would be the way forward for us , assuming Amad will still be good as he is this season. What we need is a proper CF who can score goals.
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Can you name a handful of games in the last 18 months where he has been "phenomenal"?

I'd like to go back and watch them.
 
Dan_F said:
You have more than 3 times the posts of the next person in this thread. I’m assuming it’s similar in the Rashford out thread where you seem to enjoy spending your time. Checks thread. Yes it is.

I can see you wanted Zirkzee sold a month ago and yesterday you were posting how he’s better than Hojlund, man of match, has to start next game.

Unbelievably negative about a kid from our academy who has been completely overused but actually for the most part does run himself into the ground and work for the team. I can’t be arsed anymore, definitely going on mute.
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I don't think the fact he's from our academy should really matter. Running yourself into the ground is supposed to be the bare minimum by the way.
 
skc_18 said:
Disappointing to see people here turning back against him. He is not as bad as Sancho , Rashford in terms of both current form and temperament.
He was a phenomenal player for us for last couple of seasons even when others in the squad were pretty bad. He is having bad phase which i think mainly due to the different style of new manager.
Young players go through a phase sometimes. Amorim binning Rashford will bring Garnacho back to ground.
Him and Amad on left and right wings would be the way forward for us , assuming Amad will still be good as he is this season. What we need is a proper CF who can score goals.
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Not turning against him at all, personally think it's an absolute disgrace we have to sell our talents to stay within PSR. Wouldn't be in this situation if clowns like Woody ran things better in the first place.
 
LARulz said:
Nothing less than £100 million upfront from Chelsea for him. They would rinse us if it was the other way around
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Shame he’s not in his last year with a crippling injury record, we might get a decent fee for him then. Hang on, that was us wasn’t it.
 
skc_18 said:
Disappointing to see people here turning back against him. He is not as bad as Sancho , Rashford in terms of both current form and temperament.
He was a phenomenal player for us for last couple of seasons even when others in the squad were pretty bad. He is having bad phase which i think mainly due to the different style of new manager.
Young players go through a phase sometimes. Amorim binning Rashford will bring Garnacho back to ground.
Him and Amad on left and right wings would be the way forward for us , assuming Amad will still be good as he is this season. What we need is a proper CF who can score goals.
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I think both Sancho and Rashford looked better/more exciting players at the same age he is now, particularly Sancho. Both quite didn't progress much from there in many ways, which is something I think may well happen to Garna.
 
saik said:
Yes please. Don't care where he goes but it would be fantastic business if we can 60m or more for him. Just a painfully average player that people have hyped to the heavens just cause he's an academy player. Rashford was more talented(better physically, bags of pace, better finisher) than Garnacho when he broke through and he's not close to a world class player either.

Not that I believe it to be true but if there's any semblance of truth behind Mainoo demanding 200k/w for his new contract then he needs to be sold as well.
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Sort of my point earlier. At least with teenage Rashford you could see he was raw and needed development, but had clear standout abilities (gamebreaking explosive pace, excellent take on threat, serious ball striking talent) so the building blocks from there were evident. He ultimately didn't develop into the finished product but the potential always made sense. Gr**nwood clearly had an ultra rare ability to strike the ball and finish with both feet that few players in football can rival. Even Mainoo, who some people have gotten frustrated with, has an elite ability to keep the ball under pressure and carry it past defenders for a midfielder. With Garnacho, he doesn't have any of those standout abilities and generally people just point to some solid raw numbers (in terrible teams and generally with poor 90 minute performances outside of the production) and the fact that he is a dogged player always trying to be direct. But the buck generally stops there, apart from the "he's dangerous every game" cliches that don't really have evidence to back up the claim.
 
2 man midfield said:
How so?
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He didn't have a crippling injury record at Chelsea. That's a massive exaggeration/untruth.

He played:
19/20 - 53 games (0 missed)
20/21 - 54 games (0 missed)
21/22 - 53 games (4 missed)
22/23 - 35 games (13 missed)

That's a pretty fantastic record aside from when he got a pelvic injury in the last 3-4 months he was at Chelsea which kept him out for 12 games.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Sort of my point earlier. At least with teenage Rashford you could see he was raw and needed development, but had clear standout abilities (gamebreaking explosive pace, excellent take on threat, serious ball striking talent) so the building blocks from there were evident. He ultimately didn't develop into the finished product but the potential always made sense. Gr**nwood clearly had an ultra rare ability to strike the ball and finish with both feet that few players in football can rival. Even Mainoo, who some people have gotten frustrated with, has an elite ability to keep the ball under pressure and carry it past defenders for a midfielder. With Garnacho, he doesn't have any of those standout abilities and generally people just point to some solid raw numbers (in terrible teams and generally with poor 90 minute performances outside of the production) and the fact that he is a dogged player always trying to be direct. But the buck generally stops there, apart from the "he's dangerous every game" cliches that don't really have evidence to back up the claim.
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I made a similar point in Garnacho's performance thread a couple of months ago: there isn't a single standout attribute in his game that makes me believe he's destined to become a world-class player. I don't think we'd regret selling him at this point. Aside from his off-the-ball movement, which allows him to get into positions for numerous attempts on goal, and his tenacity, there's not much else to his game.

Sure, his decision-making can improve, but that’s not the only area that needs work. He’s physically weak, often brushed off the ball with ease, and his pace is just about average for his position. His technique—whether it’s finishing or dribbling—is very average at best. After around 120 senior appearances, there’s been little progress in these aspects, and they’re not traits that can be drastically improved just because he's still only 20. So yea, I'd say we should sell him while his stock is high.
 
Berbaclass said:
I think both Sancho and Rashford looked better/more exciting players at the same age he is now, particularly Sancho. Both quite didn't progress much from there in many ways, which is something I think may well happen to Garna.
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It can swing both ways, Salah was thrown aside by Chelsea and grown into an incredible player, he may not be better than Rashford or Sancho at equivalent ages but the club have faith he will push on to become a better player. TBH any body progressing at this club is miles better than the player regression we have seen over the past 10 years when joining the club.
 
CallyRed said:
If Chelsea make a 150m double bid for Kobbie and Garnacho do we accept?
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Mainoo should not be for sale. He’s a special talent.

Garnacho is a good young player who doesn’t suit our system. I’d want him to develop here but it makes sense to be open to offers.
 
Berbaclass said:
Just because someone disagrees with me? Did you see that post and how ignorant it sounded :lol:
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Not sure I agree that ignorance Is easily captured or assessed on a forum where half of us aren’t as concerned with elaborating our opinions, especially on a mobile.

Amad is interesting to me because besides being great and fun to watch, I’ve wanted a player like him in our squad as long as I csn remember. Have we had similar?
 
Rossa said:
Not sure I agree that ignorance Is easily captured or assessed on a forum where half of us aren’t as concerned with elaborating our opinions, especially on a mobile.

Amad is interesting to me because besides being great and fun to watch, I’ve wanted a player like him in our squad as long as I csn remember. Have we had similar?
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It read to me as very dismissive personally.
 
romufc said:
There is one key difference in both players, mentality.

Amad was happy to bide his time, went on loan spells and even when he came back, didn't moan.

Garnacho on the other hand thinks he is prime CR7 with his ego.
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See, how can you know this? Do you have access to his thoughts, values and mental toughness or are you a mainstay at Carrington? Assessing someones mentality or ego from afar is guesswork.

We all thought Nani was mentally frail, but according to Rio, he was very tough mentally.
 
Whether this is a clause in that pathetic takeover they were allowed to extract themselves from Roman, or that ridiculous hotel thing they were allowed to do, I just don't get how Chelsea are seemingly unaffected by PSR.
 
Berbaclass said:
It read to me as very dismissive personally.
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Well, I am hardly one to argue how others should form their opinions. As I said, I prefer the current Amad. Very few players are of that calibre and skillset.

Garnacho is a much more «common» winger. He is very direct, quick, can be quite productive and arguably stretches defenses more than Amad.

I think we should be cautious of selling either, but only Amad is a complete no-go for me.
 
Berbaclass said:
He didn't have a crippling injury record at Chelsea. That's a massive exaggeration/untruth.

He played:
19/20 - 53 games (0 missed)
20/21 - 54 games (0 missed)
21/22 - 53 games (4 missed)
22/23 - 35 games (13 missed)

That's a pretty fantastic record aside from when he got a pelvic injury in the last 3-4 months he was at Chelsea which kept him out for 12 games.
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He was injured when we bought him though, and had been for 4 months. We couldn’t have waited 12 months to see if he got over his problems and signed him on a free?
 
We'd be dumb to sell someone his age who actually has talent. And 5 times as dumb only a couple of months into hiring a new manager and part way through a season which could end up being 60+ games long.

I wonder what the opinion of players like Salah or Mane would have been on here when they were Garnacho's age? Or even Amad.

Players like Rashford who've developed and then stagnated yes, ship them out of the manager isnt getting enough from them. Players who you don't even know how good they'll be yet and would have to spend a bucket of money and give a much bigger contract to a replacement, absolutely do not sell, for self explanatory reasons..
 
2 man midfield said:
He was injured when we bought him though, and had been for 4 months. We couldn’t have waited 12 months to see if he got over his problems and signed him on a free?
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That's fair but as I said he did not at all have a crippling injury record like you suggested, quite the opposite. He had a pelvic injury that required an operation in the months before we signed him and obviously has just had terrible luck since.
 
Starting to get Adan Januzaj vibes from the lad. Played too much, too early due to lack of options.

There's a definite talent there but unconvinced he'll make it here under the present management, don't see him as a No 10, don't see him as a wing back. If the number is right, move him on with best wishes,
 
saik said:
I made a similar point in Garnacho's performance thread a couple of months ago: there isn't a single standout attribute in his game that makes me believe he's destined to become a world-class player. I don't think we'd regret selling him at this point. Aside from his off-the-ball movement, which allows him to get into positions for numerous attempts on goal, and his tenacity, there's not much else to his game.

Sure, his decision-making can improve, but that’s not the only area that needs work. He’s physically weak, often brushed off the ball with ease, and his pace is just about average for his position. His technique—whether it’s finishing or dribbling—is very average at best. After around 120 senior appearances, there’s been little progress in these aspects, and they’re not traits that can be drastically improved just because he's still only 20. So yea, I'd say we should sell him while his stock is high.
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Pretty much my conclusion as well (which people seem to take as "oh you hate our own players etc). Think he can be a useful player for a good team, but I certainly don't think there's some big chance he becomes a world beater and thus making him unsellable. He has huge value right now because of the numbers and his age.
 
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