So you basically never paid attention to Amad then.
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I have no idea why people are saying this. Did nobody watch Amad at Sunderland? Amad at Sunderland was a better player than Garnacho is now. He's always been more naturally talented too.
He was playing for Sunderland outperforming players like Joao Pedro in the Championship.
After not getting games for Rangers, yes.
Why are you mentalists arguing over Amad's performances at the same age? What bearing do you actually think that has on Garnacho's development?
We know the type of player Garnacho is at this point and he'll improve his traits but he isn't going to fundamentally change as a player.
We know the type of player Garnacho is at this point and he'll improve his traits but he isn't going to fundamentally change as a player.
The undeniable fact is that at 18-20, Garnacho made much greater contributions to the team than Amad. I prefer the current Amad to the current Garnacho, but who knows where Garnacho is in two years with proper coaching and tactical awareness. He will most likely develop physically ang get faster snd stronger, like Amad. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they haven’t watched them both.
It’s just interesting we want to flog off our own 20 year old and go for Dibling, a relatively unproven 18 year old.
Well, Amorim has alluded to him axtually doing that very thing.
Exactly. Garnacho has been overplayed for a start, but it has led to defenders figuring him out a bit. He’s got miles of growing room to go and to consider selling him for anything other than top top money is mad.
Couldn't have said it better
Just because someone disagrees with me? Did you see that post and how ignorant it sounded
They've figured him out because there isn't anything particularly special about him.
There is one key difference in both players, mentality.
Amad was happy to bide his time, went on loan spells and even when he came back, didn't moan.
Garnacho on the other hand thinks he is prime CR7 with his ego.
"One more thing - the price of the brick going up"
Quite a lot forgot his debut for his. He scored a nice header but the thing that stood out for me was how comfortable he was on the ball.
Some players glide with the ball and he is one of them.
Still struggle to understand why it took so long for him to get a proper run in the side.
Sorry I would like to respond back to you but your arguments are basically “I watched him play and I don’t think he is good enough”. Speaking objectively, he is one of the best 20 year old players in the EPL. I will stop there.
Yeah we are famously great at player judgement
I’m pretty sure the reason the club aren’t looking to sell Amad is because he just got a run in the team this season and has been in a great run of form. There would be riots. If we’d have tried to sell him in the summer we’d have struggled to get the money we paid back.
I wouldn’t include me in that. I don’t think he should be a starter for us, I don’t know if he will turn out to be world class. I just don’t think that being in the habit of selling your best 20 year olds is where United should be as a club. What are we going to do? Sell him for £50 million and pay another team more to buy someone else? I have absolutely no faith that they will find someone better than 20 year old Garnacho, let alone what a 25 year old Garnacho could grow into.
It would kinda suck to sell someone like Garnacho. The only way it is justified is if every penny is immediately used to sign an upgrade.
Think anybody would be right in feeling that the money wouldn’t be.
Any other club selling someone like him to a team like us would be looking for 80 million at least. He’s shown enough.
Think anybody would be right in feeling that the money wouldn’t be.
Any other club selling someone like him to a team like us would be looking for 80 million at least. He’s shown enough.
That means nowt. I support Rangers and he was dropped after a poor performance v Celtic in the Old Firm. Media up here decided he was crap and Gio barely played him afterwards. Wasn't because he was crap, he scored on his debut for Rangers but that one game decided his future for the rest of that loan for me. Fecking Scott Wright started over him in the EL final.
Do we boo him when he goes there?
Agreed but there's never smoke without fire! Still, it doesn't mean that he'll actually leave though.
That is not true.. Kvar has moved to PSG for less.
Good. He is 20 years old and has 3 and a half years left on his contract. Glad we're not looking to panic sell a promising academy player in January. There are a dozen other players we should look at shifting first.
Amad is still very similar to how he was back then. It was obvious that he had fantastic technique, very good passing ability and was a good creator. That is where he shines now as well, though he's more productive of course. He has improved a lot physically, so he's more able to use his skills, and through experience and training he's making better decisions now. It was always obvious how Amad could become an absolute top level player, though the difficult thing is of course to do it. Most can't.
With Garnacho, what is he good at? What areas of his play can improve to become a top player? He's pretty good at running with the ball, he's tenacious, and he sometimes finds himself in dangerous positions (his most impressive quality for me). What else?
He can improve physically, but he doesn't really struggle so it won't be huge. He's experienced already, but I'm sure he can still improve his decision making. Can his selfishness be fixed? Possible, somewhat. But, things like his mediocre technique, shooting and finishing, poor passing and crossing, and non-existent creativity, I don't see much happening there. Him establishing himself as simply a pretty good PL level player would be a huge win for me, anything above that would surprise me a lot.
Garnacho is 20 and has proven himself in the biggest league in football. Now he’s definitely not as talented (right now) as him but he has a chunk of time left on his contract too.
If someone of a similar age and productivity level played for Dortmund and we came calling, how much would you genuinely think they’d ask for?
If we’re in the business of selling our academy players and teams are interested, should we set our stall out early on and tell teams the can come in and low ball us?
City sold their academy keeper to Burnley for 15 million after playing well for fecking Bolton.
If Garnacho played for Dortmund he would still look like an average player. He doesn't have a footballing brain and is technically poor in many areas.
Proven himself? By doing what?
Garnacho's productivity? You mean his lack of productivity? He loses the ball a hell of a lot for someone who you value at 80+.
Its because City's players are actually very technical, Garnacho unfortunately, isnt.
You have more than 3 times the posts of the next person in this thread. I’m assuming it’s similar in the Rashford out thread where you seem to enjoy spending your time. Checks thread. Yes it is.
I can see you wanted Zirkzee sold a month ago and yesterday you were posting how he’s better than Hojlund, man of match, has to start next game.
Unbelievably negative about a kid from our academy who has been completely overused but actually for the most part does run himself into the ground and work for the team. I can’t be arsed anymore, definitely going on mute.
So you have no answer to the criticism of the player so you choose to try and criticise me instead. Well done.
I look forward to not having you reply to me anymore.
And FYI, most of the posts in here will be tweets...
I think his point is constructive criticism is worth debating, but knee jerk whinging or inordinate moaning suggests you might be wound up more than actually display fair criticism.
"Omar (Berrada) coming yo"
It’s not just about technicality though? He loses the ball because he tries to do something positive with it!
He creates chances any game he plays in. He also plays for a team that are maybe the worst in the world at converting said chances. Himself included.
If you’ve watched him play for us and can’t see the talent he has, the work ethic and the ability to win games then I’m sorry but it looks like we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Any other clubs fans would be demanding up and beyond the amount. He’s done far more at the top level than some others who’ve recently moved for huge fees. Cough Mudryk Cough. Hardly a fecking technical player.
Me saying, I don't see anything particularly outstanding about Garnacho is not something I consider to be destructive criticism.
Why would I be wound up? Bit of an odd thing to assume
I think he loses the ball a lot because he lacks proper decision-making and footballing intelligence.
80 million would be a fair price if he reaches 90% of his potential. I still rate him 50% at the moment.
But alas potential is not always a guarantee. Not everyone will continue their trajectory.
I'd take 50M without having to gamble he can improve the extra 40%
We've had countless academy player we thought the sky is the ceiling turns out they're 2 star rated FM regen who happens to hit their 2 star early.
But alas potential is not always a guarantee. Not everyone will continue their trajectory.
I'd take 50M without having to gamble he can improve the extra 40%
We've had countless academy player we thought the sky is the ceiling turns out they're 2 star rated FM regen who happens to hit their 2 star early.
Well my answer is Garnacho. But one of Hojlund/Zirkzee would fetch a decent fee. Offloading Casemiro to Saudi would be nice for PSR with his wages. Potentially Dalot in the summer. I'd even be open to Bruno if a fat offer came in given his age and still meh fit in the team.
Yes please. Don't care where he goes but it would be fantastic business if we can 60m or more for him. Just a painfully average player that people have hyped to the heavens just cause he's an academy player. Rashford was more talented(better physically, bags of pace, better finisher) than Garnacho when he broke through and he's not close to a world class player either.
Not that I believe it to be true but if there's any semblance of truth behind Mainoo demanding 200k/w for his new contract then he needs to be sold as well.
Not that I believe it to be true but if there's any semblance of truth behind Mainoo demanding 200k/w for his new contract then he needs to be sold as well.
Agreed. Amad was messed about really. We should have given him more opportunities early on. The Rangers loan was terrible and we were fortunate that Tony Mowbray did such a good job with him. Even following that loan, we still fecked him about. It's testament to his talent and mentality that it looks as if he's come through all of this unscathed. We are very fortunate that he didn't tell us where to go. The perception of him as recently as last season was staggering. Mainoo, Garnacho and Højlund were put on a pedestal, whilst Amad was just some other young lad we had on the fringes of the team.
Yeah we are famously great at player judgement
I’m pretty sure the reason the club aren’t looking to sell Amad is because he just got a run in the team this season and has been in a great run of form. There would be riots. If we’d have tried to sell him in the summer we’d have struggled to get the money we paid back.
I wouldn’t include me in that. I don’t think he should be a starter for us, I don’t know if he will turn out to be world class. I just don’t think that being in the habit of selling your best 20 year olds is where United should be as a club. What are we going to do? Sell him for £50 million and pay another team more to buy someone else? I have absolutely no faith that they will find someone better than 20 year old Garnacho, let alone what a 25 year old Garnacho could grow into.
We haven't brought many great players through the academy recently either to any success. I don't think we can look at the past decade and just basically assume that whatever we do will be rubbish. We have to make decisions to the best of our ability.
Re Amad I think it is much more to do with his level as a player. I am perfectly okay with us giving players a good number of games (117 is a very good number imo) and then making a decision on them.
I don't think we are a club that sells top talents routinely and I don't think that is any indication that we are becoming one.
I agree with that as a standalone but the poster referred to your frequency. I think you also called Rashford a cnut? Could be wrong if I am apologies, but it's a bit far.Me saying, I don't see anything particularly outstanding about Garnacho is not something I consider to be destructive criticism.
Why would I be wound up? Bit of an odd thing to assume
Disappointing to see people here turning back against him. He is not as bad as Sancho , Rashford in terms of both current form and temperament.
He was a phenomenal player for us for last couple of seasons even when others in the squad were pretty bad. He is having bad phase which i think mainly due to the different style of new manager.
Young players go through a phase sometimes. Amorim binning Rashford will bring Garnacho back to ground.
Him and Amad on left and right wings would be the way forward for us , assuming Amad will still be good as he is this season. What we need is a proper CF who can score goals.
He was a phenomenal player for us for last couple of seasons even when others in the squad were pretty bad. He is having bad phase which i think mainly due to the different style of new manager.
Young players go through a phase sometimes. Amorim binning Rashford will bring Garnacho back to ground.
Him and Amad on left and right wings would be the way forward for us , assuming Amad will still be good as he is this season. What we need is a proper CF who can score goals.
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