Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

[Morpheus 7]

85m for Chelsea, not a pound less. They ripped us off the last few years. Don't think we should be selling to rivals. Ridiculous banter club again, didn't take you long Ineos.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

Selling him for somewhere around £70m would go a hell of a long way towards fixing our PSR issues. Add in the Sancho fee (and offloading his wages) in the summer, Eriksen leaving, and hopefully getting rid of Casemiro and Rashford (and maybe a couple more) too, and surely we'd be in a very healthy situation in the summer with plenty of funds for new players?

Wouldn't necessarily be against selling him to Chelsea either. He's a big talent, but I'm not convinced he'll become a top player. Plus there are question marks surrounding his attitude.

 

[leontas]

£150m for him, Mount and Sancho. Package deal.

 

[Tallis]

The very fact we might be ready to sell him shows that we have learned aplenty .

I hear you but the price is the determining factor here. £50m for a player who has a very high ceiling and we have invested 2.5 years of playing time would be very mediocre business.

 

[gajender]

True, we would have held onto him until he previously had little to no value!

Agreed and they did similar in Summer as well while pushing out likes of Sancho,Wan Bissaka, Mctominay rather than clinging on to them .

 

[Rojofiam]

Surprised to see so many people saying they accept £50m. If the roles were reversed then there's no chance we'd get someone of Garnacho's profile for that price.

Neto, Gordon, Olise, Kudus, Barcola, Palmer, Cunha, Dembelé, Maddison, Johnson, Doku, Minteh, Doué, Olmo, Diaby

All of them wingers and/or number 10s who have moved in the last 2 summers for similar fees or even lower than £50m. I'd say a good number of them are better players than Garnacho as well.

 

[croadyman]

Yeah we have to sell SOMEONE, but it certainly doesn't have to be Garnacho. However he is a player that has good value on the market and if the club evaluates that his fee is higher than what they internally value his abilities then it's worth offloading.

So who should we be looking to sell, don't say Rashford as clearly clubs are only looking for loan now

 

[gajender]

I hear you but the price is the determining factor here. £50m for a player who has a very high ceiling and we have invested 2.5 years of playing time would be very mediocre business.

For me he doesn't have high ceiling and £50m for him doesn't sound too bad to me at all .

 

[TheGame]

Fecking Chelsea collecting wingers like they are defenders.

 

[Kablamo]

Mudryk is probably toast with the B sample, so Garnacho for £28m is sounding like a decent deal.

 

[Berbaclass]

Mudryk is probably toast with the B sample, so Garnacho for £28m is sounding like a decent deal.

Maybe for a loan till the end of the season.

 

[worldinmotion66]

£70m + Nkunku on loan until the end of the season would be decent business. Then we have time to buy the player the manager will actually make use of rather than a panic buy replacement in January

 

[CallyRed]

Some of ye lot would sell your missus to a drug cartel for a twix bar

Twix xtra or regular?

 

[croadyman]

I like Garnacho but losing him,Rashford,Anthony and Cas without replacing them this window would be madness.
I don’t trust Tight Jim to spend any money this winter transfer window.
I think we can let Rash and Cas go but nobody else as we need the squad players.

Yeah on loan deals when we need money now

 

[Tallis]

For me he doesn't have high ceiling and £50m for him doesn't sound too bad to me at all .

You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t know many 19/20 year old players in the EPL who have:

1. Contributed 15 G+A as a 19 year old. On track to beat it this year which would mean he has improved his output 3 consecutive seasons.
2. Scored in a FA cup final
3. Won the Puskas award.
4. Played more minutes than any teenager in the top 5 leagues.

 

[the_cliff]

£70m + Nkunku on loan until the end of the season would be decent business. Then we have time to buy the player the manager will actually make use of rather than a panic buy replacement in January

I'd take Nkunku + cash on a permanent deal. Much better player than Garnacho and can play across the front 3.

 

[Dan_F]

What if the club think he isn't just inconsistent but simply isn't particularly good? Makes it a trickier proposition to turn down.

I don’t think it has anything to do with that because it’s really difficult to know whether a 20 year old is going to be good enough. The club is cutting spending all over the place, and suddenly the two youngest, brightest prospects, on low wages with no PSR cost are potentially up for sale.

Amad was struggling to perform for Rangers at 19 and playing in the Championship at 20, now he’s our best attacker. There seems to be an obsession with trying to sell all of our players at the moment. Collyer will be next, people are clamouring for him to get game time over Kobbie, they’ll be the same ones asking to sell him in 12 months time when it turns out he’s not better than Mainoo.

Going off on a tangent now, but if United are going to use the academy as a revenue stream first and development for the first team second, I can’t be arsed with it. The club needs to be better at recruitment, there should be no need to sell our best young players.

 

[Gandalf]

Mudryk is probably toast with the B sample, so Garnacho for £28m is sounding like a decent deal.

Yeah you would need to swap the 8 and the 2 around just to get us to answer the phone. I am feeling generous though so straight swap for Cole Palmer and he is yours.

 

[Dan_F]

You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t know many 19/20 year old players in the EPL who have:

1. Contributed 15 G+A as a 19 year old. On track to beat it this year which would mean he has improved his output 3 consecutive seasons.
2. Scored in a FA cup final
3. Won the Puskas award.
4. Played more minutes than any teenager in the top 5 leagues.

Yeah that’s all well and good, but he missed a chance last night mate. We need to get rid so we can spend the money on another Antony.

 

[croadyman]

People saying if we get a bid above £50m then we need to sell. Have you not seen how the club spends £50m?

We spent £55m on Mount with 1 year left on his contract and a season spent injured. We spent £50m on Yoro with 1 year left on his contract.

I simply don’t trust the club to utilise that £50m a find a better player or potential than Garnacho has. That’s why it would be stupid to sell him now. If they were offering over £75m then maybe but that’s not going to happen.

I would like to say we have learnt from past mistakes, however understand your point totally

 

[Berbaclass]

I don’t think it has anything to do with that because it’s really difficult to know whether a 20 year old is going to be good enough. The club is cutting spending all over the place, and suddenly the two youngest, brightest prospects, on low wages with no PSR cost are potentially up for sale.

Amad was struggling to perform for Rangers at 19 and playing in the Championship at 20, now he’s our best attacker. There seems to be an obsession with trying to sell all of our players at the moment. Collyer will be next, people are clamouring for him to get game time over Kobbie, they’ll be the same ones asking to sell him in 12 months time when it turns out he’s not better than Mainoo.

Going off on a tangent now, but if United are going to use the academy as a revenue stream first and development for the first team second, I can’t be arsed with it. The club needs to be better at recruitment, there should be no need to sell our best young players.

Amad had played basically no senior football when he went to Rangers/Sunderland.

At the age of 20, Garnacho has played over 100 games for us in all competitions (77 PL games)

 

[Pexbo]

People saying if we get a bid above £50m then we need to sell. Have you not seen how the club spends £50m?

We spent £55m on Mount with 1 year left on his contract and a season spent injured. We spent £50m on Yoro with 1 year left on his contract.

I simply don’t trust the club to utilise that £50m a find a better player or potential than Garnacho has. That’s why it would be stupid to sell him now. If they were offering over £75m then maybe but that’s not going to happen.

I would take an Ugarte, Mazraoui, Yoro or De Ligt level signing to replace Garnacho

 

[hellhunter]

I would take an Ugarte, Mazraoui, Yoro or De Ligt level signing to replace Garnacho

What if the roulette ball lands on Zirkzee though?

 

[Dan_F]

Amad had played basically no senior football when he went to Rangers/Sunderland.

At the age of 20, Garnacho has played over 100 games for us in all competitions (77 PL games)

Why do you think that might be?

 

[Berbaclass]

Why do you think that might be?

Maybe something to do with player progression not being linear

 

[hellhunter]

Maybe something to do with player progression not being linear

And yet it's impossible that Garnacho, who's vastly better than Amad was at 20yo, makes similar improvements?

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I don’t think it has anything to do with that because it’s really difficult to know whether a 20 year old is going to be good enough. The club is cutting spending all over the place, and suddenly the two youngest, brightest prospects, on low wages with no PSR cost are potentially up for sale.

Amad was struggling to perform for Rangers at 19 and playing in the Championship at 20, now he’s our best attacker. There seems to be an obsession with trying to sell all of our players at the moment. Collyer will be next, people are clamouring for him to get game time over Kobbie, they’ll be the same ones asking to sell him in 12 months time when it turns out he’s not better than Mainoo.

Going off on a tangent now, but if United are going to use the academy as a revenue stream first and development for the first team second, I can’t be arsed with it. The club needs to be better at recruitment, there should be no need to sell our best young players.

I'd bloody hope that there are people within our club who can make a pretty decent assesment on a player who has played nearly 120 times for us.

The club aren't clamouring to sell Amad despite him being worth more than Garnacho. The reason is that they think he's a top talent.

I personally think there is a lot of overrating of Garnacho's level of talent. I am very confident that the club won't sell players who are as good as some of you think Garnacho is.

 

[Berbaclass]

And yet it's impossible that Garnacho, who's vastly better than Amad was at 20yo, makes similar improvements?

I've got eyes. I've seen enough of Garnacho to decide he's not good enough. Amad is simply a better footballer.

 

[2 man midfield]

Surprised to see so many people saying they accept £50m. If the roles were reversed then there's no chance we'd get someone of Garnacho's profile for that price.

This is what’s annoying me. Now we’re selling, the prices are low. When we’re buying they’re insane. Hojlund is 70m, Antony is 80m…anything less than 70 and I say keep him.

 

[Remember the geese]

And yet it's impossible that Garnacho, who's vastly better than Amad was at 20yo, makes similar improvements?

Garnacho is not vastly better than Amad was two years ago.

 

[hellhunter]

Garnacho is not vastly better than Amad was two years ago.

It's not even particularly close

 

[Remember the geese]

It's not even particularly close

You're a terrible judge of a footballer in that case.

 

[hellhunter]

You're a terrible judge of a footballer in that case.

He couldn't get a game for Rangers ffs

 

[Remember the geese]

He couldn't get a game for Rangers ffs

He was fecking class then and he's arguably even better now. It was a joy watching him play for Sunderland.

 

[gajender]

You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t know many 19/20 year old players in the EPL who have:

1. Contributed 15 G+A as a 19 year old. On track to beat it this year which would mean he has improved his output 3 consecutive seasons.
2. Scored in a FA cup final
3. Won the Puskas award.
4. Played more minutes than any teenager in the top 5 leagues.

1 If we want to get back to being the Club which competes for biggest trophies we have to look beyond the numbers , performance also needs to be there other wise we will continue to struggle .

2. Would always be grateful for that .

3. Now come on lets get serious here .

4. Its tells more about Sorry State of our Great Club rather than Garnacho's quality .

 

[Berbaclass]

He couldn't get a game for Rangers ffs

He wasn't physically ready

 

[hellhunter]

He wasn't physically ready

Yeah true, and it's nothing I hold against him at all. But he didn't perform anywhere close to Garnacho over the last years. Garnacho needs to be allowed the same leeway

 

[Berbaclass]

Yeah true, and it's nothing I hold against him at all. But he didn't perform anywhere close to Garnacho over the last years. Garnacho needs to be allowed the same leeway

I think Garnacho was made to look a bit better than what he actually is by us playing counter attack/transition football.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Yeah true, and it's nothing I hold against him at all. But he didn't perform anywhere close to Garnacho over the last years. Garnacho needs to be allowed the same leeway

He's been given 117 matches. That's a perfectly reasonable time to be used as an assessment period for a club to say whether they want to look for a different player.

He's not been a disaster by any means but it certainly makes sense why the club would look at him and want to move on with the right offer.

 

[Castia]

I've got eyes. I've seen enough of Garnacho to decide he's not good enough. Amad is simply a better footballer.

Amad at 20 wasn’t half the player Garnacho currently is that’s simply a fact

Let’s be real Amad looked poor on arrival here…had a shit loan spell at Rangers and then went playing in the lower leagues with Sunderland before returning to United to warm the bench

His breakthrough came after Garnacho who was starting games at 18 whilst Amad couldn’t make the squad