Pretty much.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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That's what Mourinho said about Rashford back in the day too. He said there's 1 thing being young with lack of game time, but there another thing being young with tonnes of game experience.
I was leaning towards waiting until the end of the season as he was improving in his decision making. All the talent is there but he’s immensely wasteful. He’s upped it a bit recently though and definitely seems a bit more clinical.
Then last night happened. I shouldn’t hold it against him though. I think I’d have sold 10 players last night with the mood I was in. I do think if we can get close to £50 million then it’d be good business. I still think wait at least until summer. Napoli would still be interested.
Then last night happened. I shouldn’t hold it against him though. I think I’d have sold 10 players last night with the mood I was in. I do think if we can get close to £50 million then it’d be good business. I still think wait at least until summer. Napoli would still be interested.
Amad has a word class first touch and anyone, except Ten Hag, could see. Garnacho is fast but he hasn't top skills. I don't see him good enough to start in forward positions in a big team. Maybe he can become a wing back. For 70m you can buy a better winger.
He just isn’t a very good dribbler, when running at a fullback. Too often it comes to nothing. He’s decent with space in front of him or when passing and moving. And his finishing is really below par.
It’s a weird performance yesterday, because he could so easily have had both a goal and an assists.
It’s a weird performance yesterday, because he could so easily have had both a goal and an assists.
Anything less than £67m Is robbery
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We don't. He is 20. I love how we have football fans who constantly pretend young players all have the consistent decision
making of Yamal & Fabregas at 17. Especially the attacking ones. Amad himself who ia starting to impress was a vastly different player just 3 years ago.
Well I would say we should at least hold out for a fair price for any player. Garnacho, even underperforming as he is currently is, would be worth anything between 50-70m. I would say the same for Rashford but his price will clearly be affected by everyone knowing we want rid.
If we were run properly, we would at least get 50m for each of them, arguably more.
And I'll say it again, being 20 doesn't mean he's going to completely change his decision making by the time he's 23. We had a bunch of people saying Nunez was going to be world class once he sorted out his finishing, hows that worked out? Sometimes there are fundamental flaws that can't be overcome because they are habitual, and he's not alone in that, most players can't, and this is the crux of the argument.
For sure, I think everyone is of this opinion also.
Kind of embarrassing being pushed around by clubs like Napoli who think they can tempt one of our top prospects for a lower fee. What lows we've hit!
Apparently they value him at 40m. Like the way I rate Sabrina Carpenter as a 6/10.
Yep, that would be a good price for us.
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Tapping up?
Contradicts the idea he wants out a bit
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Would it not be more like us to hang on to him until it his value is quite a bit lower and his wages so high no one will take them on
Who doesn't nowadays?
Nowadays? It was worse when managers just used to call players and offer them stuff, now it has to be manager/sporting director to agent.
We need technical players like Eriksen, not kick and run players like Garnacho, in my opinion of course.
With him not being natural fit for this system, it would be smart move to sell him. I like him, we all like him, he is great prospect but he just doesn't fit in 3421 system. Same as Rashford.
If we are playing classic 433 then i would be against sale but in this situation it is best move for all parties. For the right price of course because 40 mil is pathetic offer.
If we are playing classic 433 then i would be against sale but in this situation it is best move for all parties. For the right price of course because 40 mil is pathetic offer.
this whole thing is depressing for me.
I absolutely dont want Utd to sell him. I had ignored this thread as I assumed it was a load of shite, but appears to be gathering a bit of steam
I absolutely dont want Utd to sell him. I had ignored this thread as I assumed it was a load of shite, but appears to be gathering a bit of steam
Napoli have some plus points in riding high in Serie A, CL football and perhaps a country that would appeal to him and even improve his starts for Argentina. I can see him doing very well there. He also might not like the role under Amorim.
We really shouldn't be selling for less than 60m, he's already made an impact at a young age and will be a top player when he matures. I'd love to keep him but at the same time if he wants to live in Italy and be a star there and we need the money to get the recruitment ball rolling for Amorim then we might just have to sell.
It's tricky though as Napoli like most other clubs are not that desperate enough to spend large amounts and no doubt have cheaper alternatives in mind if we can't agree a price.
With Conte he can be really forceful, he got Inter to buy Lukaku and we should know he'll push Napoli to spend what they got for a talent like Garnacho.
We really shouldn't be selling for less than 60m, he's already made an impact at a young age and will be a top player when he matures. I'd love to keep him but at the same time if he wants to live in Italy and be a star there and we need the money to get the recruitment ball rolling for Amorim then we might just have to sell.
It's tricky though as Napoli like most other clubs are not that desperate enough to spend large amounts and no doubt have cheaper alternatives in mind if we can't agree a price.
With Conte he can be really forceful, he got Inter to buy Lukaku and we should know he'll push Napoli to spend what they got for a talent like Garnacho.
It's a question of price. at 75 million pounds, it's definitely worth it. At 40 million pounds no way. Then where do you draw the line? That's INEOS' job to figure that out.
That too, we can’t win. However Beth from United stand made a great point.. if the club don’t see him as a regular starter in Amorim’s system next year. Take the money and sign someone else. As like you said we won’t ever see that value again.
Yes Napoli, can have him. 100m for those cnuts.
I don't think he would want to leave the now. Certainly don't think he'd push for it. Again, if silly money is offered then yeah I can see it.
Hopefully Napoli are silly enough to pay over 50 million for him because on last nights showing he certainly isn't worth it.
His attitude on the pitch has never showed me that he is unhappy and wants to leave, especially in the last couple of weeks.
Hope he stays and use the next 5 months to fit in and improve.
Hope he stays and use the next 5 months to fit in and improve.
To be fair he's actually played too many games without a break, and the vast majority were under a manager who was playing an absolutely atrocious system that largely set everyone up to fail. That complete failure of a system and it's impact on the development on our young players was one of the main reasons I wanted ETH out a good 10 months before we finally did it.
Many people mistake simply giving young players game-time as developing them (and it certainly helps to some extent), but the bad habits they pick up and the lack of improving their weaknesses can be real problems going forward. It was a real issue with Mourinho (who didn't like young players), Ole (who gave all the young players a great platform to impress at first, but all of them went backwards as his reign wore on) and then ETH (who gave a new batch of young players a lot of matches but once again none of them seemed to develop). Thankfully we did move ETH on before it got too bad, but the hope is that the lack of development that happened was due to that rather than a limitation of the young players and that Amorim can now improve them slowly but surely.
In saying that, I've never rated Garnacho as highly as some and have doubts that he'll ever be more than a great impact squad player at a truly top team. That in itself is a good option to have so I wouldn't be looking to sell him, but if we do get a seriously good offer we should probably take it.
Interesting barometer. How much is Yoro worth based on last night's showing?
Its insane isnt it. 20 year old are being written off in a season where he has scored 8 goals. He is inconsistent but guess what he is 20.
Some people have made up their minds against him and see problem in everything Garnacho is doing
By this definition Mainoo and Yoro should also be sold
I repeat. He is 20. Darwin Nunez did not arrive at Liverpool as a 20 year old so is utterly irrlevant to my point. THAT is the crux of the argument. He is not at the stage in his development at which decision making as an attacking player is unlikely to be improved upon. The examples of this are too many to count
Besides. In defence of Dawrin Nunez. A certain Oli Watkins was a very erratic finisher just 3 seasons ago. The Past 1.5 years his trajectory in terms of finishing has been chalk and cheese. He is 29 now. A Darwin is still only 25.
Seen the Simon Stone piece.
Whether he has a future here or not, at his age and with his level of productivity at such a young age, it’s absolutely right to reject anything around the valuation of £40m.
We all know what Napoli are working with, and in January if a move is to happen it has to be an excessive fee to even consider it.
£40m doesn’t buy you much nowadays, especially when you look at the fees involving the likes of Antony, Mudryk, Pepe and Nunez in recent years.
He might not be the one for us long term, but he’s got to command a massive fee to be prised away right now.
Whether he has a future here or not, at his age and with his level of productivity at such a young age, it’s absolutely right to reject anything around the valuation of £40m.
We all know what Napoli are working with, and in January if a move is to happen it has to be an excessive fee to even consider it.
£40m doesn’t buy you much nowadays, especially when you look at the fees involving the likes of Antony, Mudryk, Pepe and Nunez in recent years.
He might not be the one for us long term, but he’s got to command a massive fee to be prised away right now.
I like Garnacho but losing him,Rashford,Anthony and Cas without replacing them this window would be madness.
I don’t trust Tight Jim to spend any money this winter transfer window.
I think we can let Rash and Cas go but nobody else as we need the squad players.
I don’t trust Tight Jim to spend any money this winter transfer window.
I think we can let Rash and Cas go but nobody else as we need the squad players.
Circa £55m would probably be a fair price for him. Under £50m would feel like we've been short changed though, I'm not his biggest fan but he's very young, an Argentina international and his stats are respectable for his age. I don't see him being one of the best players in the world but he should have a good career.
Based on last night's showing i'd sell Yoro for free but that's not how football works.
I think the issue is not this, it is not knee jerk based on last night
Garnacho has great moments, but these are against just as many if not more moments of him wasting scoring or creative opportunities.
Ok he is 20 and has already done so much, but have we overhyped him as a result? he came in almost like the 2nd coming of Ronaldo, and well the truth is he just ain't that, he is more the 2nd coming of Lee Sharpe.
Garna is relatively poor technically, he relies on speed and directness, he is not beating players with tricky footwork or deft skills.
With age he may become more consistent, Amorim may be able to add some aspects to his game, but if you look at it objectively right now Garna is not a world beater and he does not fit the bill for Amorim, in 6 months after Amorim has bought a few players Garna could well be warming the bench and his value dropping to sub £40m, if there is a deal to be made that benefits the club enabling us to bring in a couple of wing backs, then there is a discussion to be had, we are not in the position right now to ignore this and just roll the dice.
Why is it depressing?
Most people seem very level headed about it - talented young player who is popular but doesn't really have a role in this setup. Unless you are not convinced Amorim will be here long (at this point who knows) being open to a big offer makes sense.
I think of Alvarez, I'd say a 'better' player overall but more around his peak (24) whereas with Garnacho he operates at a high level already and should still improve. That was a £65m initial fee, plus heavy add ons, that initial fee, to me, would be good business.
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