Not sure how much you can take from it but considering there isn't much out there. The below seems to be mostly youth level clips where he seems to have played on the right.
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Not sure how much you can take from it but considering there isn't much out there. The below seems to be mostly youth level clips where he seems to have played on the right.
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Everytime I’ve seen clips of him on Wyscout it’s been traditional winger positions but I might be missing something?
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Definitely. Shocking why anyone is excited by his potential sale.
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I don’t think anyone is excited?
I’m certainly not, but can at least understand the rationale of selling a player ill suited to our exact needs but with value and a good body of work at a young level.
If we were playing 4-3-3 with wingers I’d keep him, develop him and see what his level is.
But there is zero evidence at any point in his career that he’s suited to a more tucked in role.
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This is a really weird one, there's too much noise around him leaving for it to be completely false, but he's still starting games for us. To from starting to sold in January will be bizarre.
What is our plan if both Rashford and Garnacho leave this window? We'd need 2 new attackers signed in the final few days of the window.
Ultimately I think the valuations are so far away that he'll end up staying.
What is our plan if both Rashford and Garnacho leave this window? We'd need 2 new attackers signed in the final few days of the window.
Ultimately I think the valuations are so far away that he'll end up staying.
The problem is, Amorim could just be another 2 year project that doesn't work out like all of our post-SAF managers. Rebuilding the squad towards a niche formation that will be redundant if Amorim fails is a big risk really, if it involves getting rid of potentially very good players that would have come in useful for us under any other manager.
If we are letting him go, I would hope it's with the view that we don't actually think he has what it takes to become an elite attacking player in a PL/CL winning side (in any formation). Whether that be not having the skillset or brain to play in a top team that keeps possession of the ball.
I think Garnacho's ceiling is probably a player who is productive in terms of numbers but very messy in terms of general play, passing, touch, decision making - maybe some similarities to Rashford in that regard (back when Rashford was still a footballer). It wouldn't surprise me if he goes on to have a 20+ goal season in all competitions because he is a goalscoring threat even if his finishing can be frustrating right now, but he'll probably never be an elite player in terms of interplay, dribbling, passing. If we take the view that we can't keep carrying these messy players that don't suit possession football then you can probably justify a sale.
I'd still lean towards giving him another 18 months here and see how it goes, if he's not upped his level and consistency then let him go then. He will still have some value at the end of that time frame. We shouldn't be in the business of selling promising home-grown talent too early in my opinion.
People on here wanted Wan Bissaka to stay. We've forgotten what really good players look like.
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It's quite telling that AWB ended up at West Ham, that's his level.
With Garnacho it's not like Bayern or any of the big Spanish clubs that want him, the Italian league is his best option. I know Napoli are a big club and are top of the league, but I think the Italian league is probably about his level right now. Much like Mctominay, it's a sensible step down.
As has been reported by the likes of Ornstein and the most reliable journos. United aren't really in a position to say no to selling any player, which means really every player is on the table for the right price, like most clubs really!
Do I think United are actively looking to sell Garnacho? No. Do I think they'd sell him if the right price came in? Absolutely yes, considering the financial troubles we are in and the need to alleviate PSR by selling players, and because he's an academy product he'd be pure profit, which would go a long way to helping us do deals in the summer.
Honestly don't want to sell Garnacho, he is a talented kid with plenty more to give I feel, but I feel like the club needs to start making some tough decisions when fixing the state its been left in by the Glazers all these years. We're in this position because we have arguably been the worst selling club for over 10 odd years, holding onto players too long till they go for free or only selling for peanuts. In comparison clubs like City and Chelsea are fine and making signings galore because they've been incredibly efficient at selling players, but mostly academy products that either won't make the first team or ones that are good but don't fit the team.
So Amorim also needs to figure out if Garnacho fits into this system long term.... At the same time there is a lot of smoke on this and Napoli have made an approach, as reported by Ornstein, which would tell me they received positive signs from Garnacho's camp about his willingness... so it's also a question about if he wants to stay or not too.
Do I think United are actively looking to sell Garnacho? No. Do I think they'd sell him if the right price came in? Absolutely yes, considering the financial troubles we are in and the need to alleviate PSR by selling players, and because he's an academy product he'd be pure profit, which would go a long way to helping us do deals in the summer.
Honestly don't want to sell Garnacho, he is a talented kid with plenty more to give I feel, but I feel like the club needs to start making some tough decisions when fixing the state its been left in by the Glazers all these years. We're in this position because we have arguably been the worst selling club for over 10 odd years, holding onto players too long till they go for free or only selling for peanuts. In comparison clubs like City and Chelsea are fine and making signings galore because they've been incredibly efficient at selling players, but mostly academy products that either won't make the first team or ones that are good but don't fit the team.
So Amorim also needs to figure out if Garnacho fits into this system long term.... At the same time there is a lot of smoke on this and Napoli have made an approach, as reported by Ornstein, which would tell me they received positive signs from Garnacho's camp about his willingness... so it's also a question about if he wants to stay or not too.
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Hey, what did you Guys think of his cross to Antony that Antony missed on the goal line?
That should have been 3 assists in 3 games.
He did miss himself a good chance but Antony's one was out of this world easier.
I dont think he is that direct anymore, he is trying to make crosses now and keep the ball rolling by making near by passes.
He wasnt kicking and running because we hardly played counter and he tried to take his man on, sometimes successful but sometimes not.
I remember how Amorim was clapping Garnachos near assist to Antony after being shocked by the miss.
I dont really see the reason about selling him yet as he would be a good enough player for the squad even if he isnt for the first xi & if he is happy from then bench then i am happy - selling him would cause us to still rely on players like Antony whilst we get only one better starter to the first xi who might never work our or adapt to the league.
All things considered i want to see one more tactic before we move him on which is to play him in a front 3
Garnacho - Zirkzee -Amad
This is our most balanced attack and if he cant handle it then its time we should make a sale. This attack reminds me of a younger/raw version of Liverpool's Mane,Firminho&Salah attack. Ive been wanting to see it along time, but instead what i always got was Bruno playing as a number 10, making us have 8 defensive players when including our cdm. I thought i saw the potential of our front line a bit yesterday second half and want to give it a chance. If not then sell in the summer.
Didn't exactly do anything to inflate his price tonight or against Arsenal really. Napoli's valuation is starting to look fair.
I doubt anyone is excited. But if someone were open to paying above what we value him at (should not be less than 70m) then it makes sense to the offer. Garnacho is a good young player but not an elite talent nor someone who is essential to this system.
38m!? It’s a shit offer. Wasn’t he our highest goal scorer until recently or still is? Garnacho is highly regarding - it should take big money to pry him away.
We desperately need to get a few players in
We will be happy to sell Rashford to Napoli for 38m
He’s going nowhere I think. He wouldn’t have started the last two games if the club is looking to do a deal
Would it not be worth keeping him regardless just so we have the option? I guess amad could still play the role to a good level but beyond that its pretty thin. If nothing else his pace will be a good option surely?
For a good fee i can understand it but that would be closer to 70m. I wouldn't think it worth it for a cut price or reasonable fee.
I dont think we will sell him in Jan. Probably a summer exit.
I agree. But the twist i'd put on this is that I think we are probably listening to offers for both now, but Rashford is the priority. If Rashford's wages ruin any chance of him leaving this window, I think we could entertain selling Garnacho now. I think we definitely want to sell one of these two right now but everything is point to Rashford.
This thread is weird. Garnacho is an excellent prospect and already a very good player. We shouldn't be looking to sell him, and thankfully we aren't. He's young, he'll make mistakes sometimes but he has loads of talent and is always involved in chances. That's exactly what you want for an attacker like him. He had a good game today which would've been an excellent game if he didn't miss the sitter, but he also laid one on a plate for Antony. Glad he's shown improvements the last couple of games and hopefully he can build on this. He's adapting his position slightly but he absolutely can still be a top player in it
I don't see the risk if the players are of a sufficiently high level. Lets start with the wingback, his ideal is one who is attacking and the other who is defensive so if he leaves one transitions to a wide forward role and the other to a more traditional fullback role. The two 10s, one is a traditional one and the other seems to be a winger with good interplay so they just revert to original roles.
I keep arguing that Amorim wouldn't struggle with his formation at the better sides, we were also shit when we played 4231 or 433. It's down to the quality of our players not the formation imo. At City Bernado and KDB would excel as tucked in 10s, you envision a WB role for Doku and Walker and their 3 CBs that they already use wouldn't struggle. I can't see Salah and one of their 10s struggling at Pool either and Arnold seems made for a WB role. We just have a collection of rubbish, unmotivated and weak players.
I think, if Napoli increase their bid to £50m guaranteed we need to take it and bring in players that can help develop the team. Even buying a LWB and another 10 could transform us and make the summer job much easier.
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Comparing him to McT is bonkers. One of them is 28 and the other is barely 20. Garnacho still has a lot more room to develop.
He didnt? Sunderland was really the first time he was utilized that much as a 10. At Atalanta youth team he actually played more as their main striker / false 9 than he did a 10. But any club he has been at, except Sunderland he played vastly more as the right winger.
Try reading the thread. No one is excited to sell him. Some of us can just understand the reasoning for doing so, and looking at the bigger picture and how his sale could improve the team.
Isn't that what we all want, a better team? Some of you don't grasp that and just delude yourselves into believing every young player will become world class and must be kept no matter what
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Torn on this one. We obviously need to money to help re-configure the squad, and he doesn't have a clear starting position in it currently. On the other side he is still one of our few goal threats and would be expected to improve.
Peak Garnacho last night, great at driving forward into space, gets in the box, fires off a shot into the defenders shins, gets the ball back, does the exact same thing again then falls over. Misses an open net. Smashing crosses into the box with no idea who he's aiming for. Easily marked out of the game by the worst team in the PL.
He has absolute mountains to climb to be a good PL level winger, let alone a 'world class talent'. If Napoli offer over £50m, take it and run.
He has absolute mountains to climb to be a good PL level winger, let alone a 'world class talent'. If Napoli offer over £50m, take it and run.
Hard to argue about him with the form he’s in. Very low on confidence clearly and looks a shadow of the former player when he first came on the seen. I’m trying not to be kneejerk but hopefully he can be coached better and improve. There is a player in there
Knowing us we'll get 50m for Garnacho and Rashford combined and put it towards spending 70m on a player we've never heard of who nobody else bid more than half of what we paid, who will immediately be injured until the end of the season.
What about my response made you think otherwise?
Sounds about right. I still don’t see how we make good use of the money to be honest.