do we really need to sell this bad?. hes like the most popular united player right now and we really needs our stars.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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Indeed. It's bloody frustrating.
Damn. Seems like there might be a resolution either way not far off.
It's not about what Manchester United is at the moment, that's exactly the problem, INEOS and fans like you want to give up the history, the ethos of the club just to get a little success in the near term.
But Selling Garnacho isn't tactical, it isn't Amorim, its INEOS and the Glazers selling him to make a profit, so they can buy cheap players without having to invest on their own.
What it does though is change everything United is about. We have had youth players as part of our squad for decades, our history, our success is built on developing youth, promoting youth and winning with that youth. Obviously supplmenting the squad with transfer, but always with a element of our own.
Garnacho probably has the highest ceiling of anyone coming out of our youth system in probably a couple decades, maybe matched by Kobbie. We are not selling him for tactical reasons, it's not because he isn't in Amorim's plans, it's because the owners see it as financially beneficial to them. But once that happens Manchester United changes in the eyes of everyone. Our top players didn't get poached by bigger teams, basically the only one I can think of is Ronaldo and even then, he went of Fergie's terms. But if we sell Garnacho now, that means any time we have a promising young player they will be pursued and they will be bought, because clearly everyone has a price.
I can't even wrap my head around the idea of this team not being built around Mainoo, Garnacho and Amad because as a United fan of decades, I don't know this idea of selling our promising young players, but that is exactly what will change if this deal goes through.
All United fans should be protesting this, I truly don't understand any acceptance of this idea.
Ok, if that's the threshold then my bet is he will stay at United until he eventually leaves for free.
Developing young players is United’s dna. Greenwood is still a world class talent , he’s just not a good human being. I mean on your basis we might as well sell everyone so if you don’t even want our 2 most promising players to stay. Would it not make more sense to sell the players who have no future here? I mean comparing promising players to Ronaldo is just silly.
Maybe, but that source is dodgy at best about German transfers and wouldn't know anything about an Argentinian moving from England to Italy
Or renews his contract. 3 and a half years is a long time for him to make himself integral to United.
These guys renewed Ten Hag's contract and then paid him extra to leave a few weeks later. The same geniuses are running our player recruitment so nothing would surprise me.
Ratcliffe has precisely two ideas as far as I can tell: 1. hire the "best in claaarse" (he and Brailsford are utterly clueless about who that is) and 2. cut costs i.e. sack people. This is as far as his understanding of football extends.
Not really bothered if he leaves tbh.
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First they came for Garnacho and I said nothing because I was not Garnacho…
According to that Swiss Ramble account focusing on United's financials, we're nowhere close having to sell
My 8 year old nephew is obsessed with him, and is really disappointed when he doesn't start. Seems to be very popular among the younger fans.
He’s had a bit of a rough season but he’s a 20 year old Argentine international valued at around 60-70m he’s one of the best young players in Europe the whole thing is a complete disgrace
I completely agree.
Him and Rashfords cards seemed marked with whatever went down the weekend of the City game. If Garnacho is leaving, then its beyond repair between him and the manager one would think.
It's not about the particular individual.
We bought Mount with a year on his contract for 55M.
Garnacho is 20 years old, Argentinian international, Puskas award winner, 3 years left on his deal.
How much would he be worth if we wanted to buy him from Sporting or Porto or Atalanta?
Napoli will buy him for 50 million, play him for four years (12 million a year), and then will sell a 24 years old proven winger for at least 70. We're giving them another bargain just because we're desperate.
Where are the "best in class" people we thought we have in charge??
Even Brighton would sell him higher than 50-60m, it's a joke.
Depends who we replace him with. Maybe Garnacho just wants to leave, rather than us needing to sell.
If he wants to go then we should let him rather than have an unhappy player around, and he has had disciplinary issues in the past. There’s no guarantee he’s going to be as good as people speculate he might be.
If he wants to go then we should let him rather than have an unhappy player around, and he has had disciplinary issues in the past. There’s no guarantee he’s going to be as good as people speculate he might be.
We should not be selling him this window as there is no way we will find a replacement of his quality in the remaining 2 weeks of this transfer window.
It makes sense to wait till the summer and re- evaluate.
It makes sense to wait till the summer and re- evaluate.
Yoro is a considerably more valuable profile than Garnacho. Best in the world potential vs good player basically.
Finding someone of similar quality would not be that difficult.
I think this idea is insane.. he's a good young player who, with the right help, we'll become a great player
Your nephew's mistake is thinking of him too much as an exciting football player and not enough as a saleable asset.
We appear to be asking £70million with no indication that number is going to be moved from so you've made up a bunch of stuff that hasn't happened to be angry about.
Puskas Award Winner as an indicator of transfer value s laughable.
As it stands he is a streaky young forward who can play in a very specific set-up, that set-up is not currently not what the head coach is playing.
It is also a position that when you look beyond the first team, there are a LOT of young talents just as good if not potentially better than Garnacho when he first broke through (Ibragimov being one such talent).
If we get £70million then we've played a blinder in my view. Nothing has suggested that he is worth that much, in a world where Cole Palmer is sold for £40 odd million.
Is he one of the best young players in Europe? Really? I doubt he's even in the top 20.
He's certainly promising and had one very good season albeit whilst looking very selfish and limited. This season though he's looked more like he could go the Januzaj path if he's not careful.
I don't want him sold personally but there's some ridiculous overreactions of a player who can't even get into our team and has some discipline issues.
One of the best young players in Europe? Where's the age limit after someone isn't young anymore, for you to claim that? Although he's probably not even top 10 in the U20 category so I'd be interested to know what your definiton is.
More sources reporting. Really really not happy if we sell.
I'm with you on this.
Questionable fit into current system + limited ceiling as a player when assessing his profile + massively helps PSR and could escalate our rebuild + we are basically getting a peak potential fee for him if we managed to get around £60m for him as I doubt he'd ever become a player that's undeniably worth more than that.
It’s actually really upsetting that we’re going to be selling him and that we have to sell him to make money. feck the Glazers so much.
How exactly does 10p help us though?
Unless you think that Palmer was only worth £40m that is a ludicrous benchmark.
Everyone except you thinks that he was massively undervalued.
Well he’s 20 and won’t be 21 until next season so that’s young enough to be deemed a prospect for me
There aren’t many attacking wingers at 20 year old producing Garnacho’s numbers especially given our current predicament of losing every other week
He’s demanding a 70m fee at 20 years old of course he’s one of the top talents
Supposedly one of the best attacking young players in Europe..and only Napoli want him.
United fans aren't overrating another one of their young players again are they ?
Under 21 is the classic standard. That's what Golden Boy uses too, I think.
Whether he will or will not end up a great player, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs that we've had to resort to selling one of our best prospects to cover costs. FSR sucks.
Precisely. The reported fee that United are willing to accept for him tells you what they think about him.
The only way I can see us selling him is if we have a buyback clause and a hefty sell on percentage on any future transfer. I'm assuming that would balance the PSR books and allow us to get a few players in.
Not many sides have a spare 70m for a 20 year old winger in January mate let’s be real
Because he demanded to leave, in January, closing out any chance Napoli had of creating a bidding war in the summer. He effectively knocked £20m off of his asking price.
It's probably a moot point though as most teams outside of the EPL are even more skint than we are. Transfer fees are probably going to correct themselves somewhat, but that'll only happen when other teams stop expecting United to pay over the odds.
If this transfer was being discussed the other way around, under the same conditions, then Napoli would be asking for £100m, and expecting a minimum of £80m privately.