Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

El-Manos said:
Developing young players is United’s dna. Greenwood is still a world class talent , he’s just not a good human being. I mean on your basis we might as well sell everyone so if you don’t even want our 2 most promising players to stay. Would it not make more sense to sell the players who have no future here? I mean comparing promising players to Ronaldo is just silly.
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I'm not comparing them to anyone, people are saying we can't sell Garnacho because of his potential and then comparing his numbers to Ronaldo's numbers at the same age as if that has some direct correlation as to where his career will go.

I'm saying he isn't Ronaldo, he won't end up as the best player in the world ever, so by that logic, if we get a bid over £50m then we should at least consider the possibility of selling him, just like we sold McTomminay, Greenwood, Welbeck, Evans, Rafael, Fabio, Elanga, Pereria, etc. The list of United academy players being sold is an extensively long list. Garnacho still has loads to do to be classed as a 'good' PL level player, and we're talking consistent basics here, not doing world class stuff. If he spends the next 3 to 4 years here and doesn't kick on, we'll be lucky to get £30m for him, so if the offer on the table today is around £70m, just sell him, we're not going to regret it in the long run.

We can also only sell players we get bids for. If someone bid £70m for Amass, most of us would be over the moon and some would be panicking and saying the same stuff you're saying now like we've missed something that another team has seen so we have to keep him and develop him. Lets also remember that it's only Napoli who've made an offer and the offer is less than £40m so it's not even a conversation at this point. He's going no where at that price.
 
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I'd be disappointed to see Garnacho leave but he's not being forced to go. He could stay and fight for his place if he wanted to but it seems that's not the case.

The fee needs to be a lot higher than what Napoli seem to be offering at the moment though.
 
I don't mind him going if the feeling is decent. I see him as talented but not a team player and not what we need right now. It's not ideal, and if we were in a better situation, I would be tempted to give him longer, but this could really help with PSR.
 
IF we sell him, I hope that the money is immediately reinvested in bringing 2 new faces into the squad.

Don’t worry about their bodies..we just need the faces
 
Castia said:
Not many sides have a spare 70m for a 20 year old winger in January mate let’s be real
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Well we don't know that. We've seen PSG splash the cash, Chelsea have been linked to a variety of talented wide players (again), City are looking to change their team up abit and Madrid tend to spend big on emerging talent.

Garnacho is a good talent but I think there's better options out there for the majority of top sides who would consider making bids in the region of 50/60 million for.
 
You'd imagine the scouts would have someone in mind to target as a replacement if we were to let him go.
 
crossy1686 said:
I'm not comparing them to anyone, people are saying we can't sell Garnacho because of his potential and then comparing his numbers to Ronaldo's numbers at the same age as if that has some direct correlation as to where his career will go.

I'm saying he isn't Ronaldo, he won't end up as the best player in the world ever, so by that logic, if we get a bid over £50m then we should at least consider the possibility of selling him, just like we sold McTomminay, Greenwood, Welbeck, Evans, Rafael, Fabio, Elanga, Pereria, etc. The list of United academy players being sold is an extensively long list. Garnacho still has loads to do to be classed as a 'good' PL level player, and we're talking consistent basics here, not doing world class stuff. If he spends the next 3 to 4 years here and doesn't kick on, we'll be lucky to get £30m for him, so if the offer on the table today is around £70m, just sell him, we're not going to regret it in the long run.
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All those players you mentioned were not as highly rated as Garnacho bar greenwood . A successful club does not sell their most promising players, it’s really as simple as that. Obviously if a stupid offer comes in we’ll have to consider it providing we have a replacement lined up but anything under 70-80m shouldn’t even be entertained
 
Its a bit of a shame as he does seem to be learning under Amorim. 2 assists in the last 2 games, passing the ball to players in good areas creating goals. A few months ago the same player was blasting shots high & wide from all angles.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Whether he will or will not end up a great player, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs that we've had to resort to selling one of our best prospects to cover costs. FSR sucks.
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It doesn’t suck. We’ve just been monumentally fecking awful in our transfers for over a decade and it’s finally caught up.
 
El-Manos said:
All those players you mentioned were not as highly rated as Garnacho bar greenwood . A successful club does not sell their most promising players, it’s really as simple as that. Obviously if a stupid offer comes in we’ll have to consider it providing we have a replacement lined up but anything under 70-80m shouldn’t even be entertained
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Who's rating Garnacho that highly? Because it seems to be a few people on this forum that have decided he's highly rated, no one else in football is saying Garnacho is one of the best young players in the world. Napoli, the only team interested in him, only rate him at £38m. We sold Greenwood for £30m and he had a load of baggage. City won the treble last season and sold some of their best young players season on season, developing your own players isn't a sign of a successful club, winning trophies is.

All this is mute anyway because he isn't leaving unless Napoli spend that money they just got. He won't go for less than £50m+.
 
Rojofiam said:
I think if that happens, there will be good wingers on the market that are attainable for us anyways.
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A decade of Antony, Sancho, Sanchez, Dan James, Mkitaryan, and Depay say otherwise.
The only decent wingers we've signed in the last decade are Diallo (so far), and Martial ( who was also a dud by the end).

Selling Garnacho now, for anything below a fortune, is one of the dumbest things we could do, so I suppose we'll do it.
 
golden_blunder said:
20 years from now fans will look back and ask “where were you when United sold Garnacho?”

“Garnacho? Eh? Who’s that?”
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Surely they're more likely to respond with "the lad who scored a goal in the FA Cup final vs our bitter rivals to help us win the trophy against the odds", or "the kid who the Puskas goal of the year award".
 
Berbaclass said:
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not sure about the source, but 70m pounds or 80m euros seems about right, they just got 70m euros from PSG, so they have the dough to pay up.

and for those who thinks Garna is not worth it, remember that Hojlund as 19yo cost us 70m euros or more, we should be quoting them 90m euros.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
He's going to end up going for just over 50 mil pounds.

If that happens there will be nothing INEOS can do to turn my opinion, they either don't know what Manchester United is about, or they know and are spitting in the face of it. Either way have no business being associated with this club.

And anyone pretending this is tactical and anything other than purely financial, you're the perfect glazer/ineos apologists.
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It’s not mutually exclusive for it to be both financial and tactical.

Of course if the club sells him there’s a financial imperative there, but that doesn’t automatically mean it’s not the right thing to do for the squad tactically.

If Amorim doesn’t see his value or doesn’t think he suits his system, and thinks his sale can fund other players who suit his system better, then I can get on board with that, because it’s clear we desperately need some proper WBs and 10s to get the most out of Amorim. Garnacho’s a talent, but I’m genuinely not convinced he is such a talent that he cannot be sold at any cost.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
A decade of Antony, Sancho, Sanchez, Dan James, Mkitaryan, and Depay say otherwise.
The only decent wingers we've signed in the last decade are Diallo (so far), and Martial ( who was also a dud by the end).

Selling Garnacho now, for anything below a fortune, is one of the dumbest things we could do, so I suppose we'll do it.
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This.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
A decade of Antony, Sancho, Sanchez, Dan James, Mkitaryan, and Depay say otherwise.
The only decent wingers we've signed in the last decade are Diallo (so far), and Martial ( who was also a dud by the end).

Selling Garnacho now, for anything below a fortune, is one of the dumbest things we could do, so I suppose we'll do it.
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I don't think anyone, including the reports, are suggesting he goes anywhere for less than something around £70m. I'm not sure why people are getting annoyed about the idea of selling him on the cheap when no one has said he's going to be.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
A decade of Antony, Sancho, Sanchez, Dan James, Mkitaryan, and Depay say otherwise.
The only decent wingers we've signed in the last decade are Diallo (so far), and Martial ( who was also a dud by the end).

Selling Garnacho now, for anything below a fortune, is one of the dumbest things we could do, so I suppose we'll do it.
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Just because we've signed crap players doesn't mean good ones haven't been available during that time.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
A decade of Antony, Sancho, Sanchez, Dan James, Mkitaryan, and Depay say otherwise.
The only decent wingers we've signed in the last decade are Diallo (so far), and Martial ( who was also a dud by the end).

Selling Garnacho now, for anything below a fortune, is one of the dumbest things we could do, so I suppose we'll do it.
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You can say that about every position in the team. We've signed shite player because they were available, there's a reason we are where we are.
 
Massive Spanner said:
it sucks because it's heavily skewed towards making clubs sell their young, homegrown talent in order to make up the deficit.
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But we only have such a deficit because we've been utter shit at recruitment for years. A well managed club wouldn't be forced to sell their young players before they could buy
 
AndySmith1990 said:
But we only have such a deficit because we've been utter shit at recruitment for years. A well managed club wouldn't be forced to sell their young players before they could buy
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How is holding out for £70m on a youth player that hasn't even established himself as a first team regular yet, the same being forced to sell our young players?

I agree we've made some terrible purchases and silly fees and now we're in trouble but we aren't in a fire-sale. We're not offloading players for cheap to meet PSR.
 
crossy1686 said:
Agreed. We might not find someone who fancies over head kicks as much but Dwight McNeil is a more consistent winger than Garnacho and does the basics better.
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20 year old wingers are generally not known for their consistency. It’s a bit weird to expect that from him.

It’ll be a massive shame if he turns out to be great but I have a feeling he wouldn’t stick around anyway. I’d have no issues with the club taking £70 million, any less than that and we might as well keep him till summer and try to tempt some bigger clubs.

It would be interesting to see what the players make of it. Selling your best young talent is not a place you want to be in. Ideally we aren’t in such a desperate cash situation and it doesn’t matter if we sell for £60 million now or £30 million in a few years if he doesn’t develop.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Think that's the wrong way to look at it. We aren't contending for the league or UCL, and while we absolutely need reinforcements the availability of an immediate replacement in January shouldn't factor into a decision to sell.
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Unless the offer stands until the summer, in which case, wait and sell then, but I doubt that is the case so just sell him now if the money is right. Seem's like Amorim wants a wingback/fullback anyway, not a winger.
 
crossy1686 said:
How is holding out for £70m on a youth player that hasn't even established himself as a first team regular yet, the same being forced to sell our young players?

I agree we've made some terrible purchases and silly fees and now we're in trouble but we aren't in a fire-sale. We're not offloading players for cheap to meet PSR.
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Yeah we have to sell SOMEONE, but it certainly doesn't have to be Garnacho. However he is a player that has good value on the market and if the club evaluates that his fee is higher than what they internally value his abilities then it's worth offloading.
 
crossy1686 said:
Unless the offer stands until the summer, in which case, wait and sell then, but I doubt that is the case so just sell him now if the money is right. Seem's like Amorim wants a wingback/fullback anyway, not a winger.
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Yeah I think this is a case of Napoli having the new cash burning a hole in their pocket, and Garnacho being happy to leave because he's pissed at being dropped since Amorim arrived.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Why should the fanbase know who we may potentially replace him with ?
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Because if you can't think of a single player who could be brought in to replace him for the same money then how are you judging that the fee is good value? What is your yardstick if it's not other players you could use that money to sign?
 
Castia said:
Well he’s 20 and won’t be 21 until next season so that’s young enough to be deemed a prospect for me

There aren’t many attacking wingers at 20 year old producing Garnacho’s numbers especially given our current predicament of losing every other week

He’s demanding a 70m fee at 20 years old of course he’s one of the top talents
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His G/A this season is heavily boosted by his Carabao goal involvments vs Barnsley and Leicester. That's 3 goals and 3 assists in 2 dead rubber games vs weak opposition. If you take those away, he's not really had exceptional output in either of his 3 senior seasons so far, and he'd be on 5 goals and 2 assists halfway through the season, which aligns closely with how he's produced in his previous two seasons...but that's totally fine, as he is a prospect like you said, and I'm not debating that.

However, considering him one of the best young talents in the world, just because of his age and the fact that he's playing regularly for one of the biggest clubs in the world, is putting blind faith in him becoming a world beater IMO. There's really nothing about his overall skillset and profile for me that indicates he's going to become anything more than a solid Premier League level winger with good work-rate and acceptable output.

If I'm correct in my assessment, is this player with not an exceptionally high ceiling worth more than 55-60m at best? We would be getting a peak, or close to peak potential sort of fee for him, unless you think he can turn into a 100 million player, which is unlikely IMO.
 
Dan_F said:
20 year old wingers are generally not known for their consistency. It’s a bit weird to expect that from him.

It’ll be a massive shame if he turns out to be great but I have a feeling he wouldn’t stick around anyway. I’d have no issues with the club taking £70 million, any less than that and we might as well keep him till summer and try to tempt some bigger clubs.

It would be interesting to see what the players make of it. Selling your best young talent is not a place you want to be in. Ideally we aren’t in such a desperate cash situation and it doesn’t matter if we sell for £60 million now or £30 million in a few years if he doesn’t develop.
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I expect him to be able to do the basics consistently, which isn't a lot to be honest. I expect inconsistent performances however, he's young and learning still.

We're not selling our best young talent, that is Mainoo. Garnacho isn't considered that good outside of a certain section of United fans, even Napoli don't seem to think he's anywhere near as good as the bloke they just sold. If we were desperate for the cash, we wouldn't be holding out for £70m, he'd be on a plane to Naples now, and you can only sell the players that have incoming bids. I'm sure in an ideal world we'd rather sell Lindelöf for £38m but no one wants him.
 
SuperiorXI said:
There's a few off the top of my head
  1. Age
  2. Goals & assists
  3. Pace/skill
  4. He passes the "eye test" in that he is clearly dangerous on the ball when we're attacking
  5. Tattoos
  6. White hair dye
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Fair enough and it’s pretty subjective I suppose. I’m not desperate to see him sold, but personally I don’t think he’s destined for much better than being a Young/Valencia level winger at best.

Good, but not irreplaceable for similar money as to what I think we’d realistically expect to get for him, @ £50-£60m
 
When this broke (I’m assuming it was briefed to soften the blow) it was through the lens of ‘if an obscene offer came in, we might consider it.’

Now 5 days later he’s in advanced talks with Napoli for anything between 40 and 60m. This has been in the works for a while. We’re clearly broke and need the money.
 
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