Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

[Gandalf Greyhame]

You can say that about every position in the team. We've signed shite player because they were available, there's a reason we are where we are.

Dan James aside, all of the others were doing well in thir sides when we bought them, they never made it here. Good wingers are always seemingly available, finding one that stays good after signing for us is the challenge. We spent 250m on transfers for those players I listed, and not one of them was a major upgrade over Garnacho for us. Maybe Mkhi.

This is poor recruitment all over again. You know who would have been a good fit for Amorim's inside forward? The guy we sold for peanuts to Chelsea because our previous manager didn't like him. What happens when Amorim fails? We sell Diallo to buy a traditional winger? And spend another 150m trying to get the right one in?

70m is probably a fair price for Garnacho, but fair price for player does not mean fair value for us - nowhere close. A decent attacker is worth way way more than his FMV for us right now. I'm furious we're even considering this.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

It's not about the particular individual.

We bought Mount with a year on his contract for 55M.

Garnacho is 20 years old, Argentinian international, Puskas award winner, 3 years left on his deal.

How much would he be worth if we wanted to buy him from Sporting or Porto or Atalanta?

Napoli will buy him for 50 million, play him for four years (12 million a year), and then will sell a 24 years old proven winger for at least 70. We're giving them another bargain just because we're desperate.

Where are the "best in class" people we thought we have in charge??

Even Brighton would sell him higher than 50-60m, it's a joke.

Why do people keep bringing up the Puskas as some grand achievement

It's a cool award but come on lads

 

[AneRu]

£55mil and call it quits. We have a lot of talented 10's coming up behind him from the youth teams and there will be no shortage of targets to go after who play a role more fitting the system.

I think this is what we will do, whether we will do it right or not no one really knows, we will sell him to fund the purchase of a LWB and striker (the cash can pay for initial installments) and then look to promote a young No.10 to rotate with Bruno and Amad. If we play it right we could emerge with a more balanced side from the trade.

 

[Zumbi]

All those players you mentioned were not as highly rated as Garnacho bar greenwood . A successful club does not sell their most promising players, it’s really as simple as that. Obviously if a stupid offer comes in we’ll have to consider it providing we have a replacement lined up but anything under 70-80m shouldn’t even be entertained

1) Maybe he’s not considered by the club to be one of our most promising players anymore? He’s not even a consistent starter under Amorim.

2) Even successful clubs let some of their most promising going players go. City are a prime example of that.

 

[witchtrials]

We're not selling our best young talent, that is Mainoo

... who we are also apparently willing to sell

 

[Utterly De Ligt'd]

It’s not mutually exclusive for it to be both financial and tactical.

Of course if the club sells him there’s a financial imperative there, but that doesn’t automatically mean it’s not the right thing to do for the squad tactically.

If Amorim doesn’t see his value or doesn’t think he suits his system, and thinks his sale can fund other players who suit his system better, then I can get on board with that, because it’s clear we desperately need some proper WBs and 10s to get the most out of Amorim. Garnacho’s a talent, but I’m genuinely not convinced he is such a talent that he cannot be sold at any cost.

I don't think Amorim is even part of the equation.

Do people honestly think that Amorim is looking at 20 year old Garnacho, a player who has been producing, a player with a massive ceiling, and is saying I don't even want to work with this guy? Do people think Amorim sees a 20 year old Garnacho as the finished article that can't be coached, that can't be developed? Do people think that low of Amorim? And even if that was true, why would we even want Amorim as our coach then? Why would we want a coach that is so beholden to one style and one style alone that he'll never be able to accommodate a winger into his play, this is Manchester United, we have a rich history of using wingers in our football. Personally, I think much more highly of Amorim then most on here seem to because I don't for a second think Amorim wants rid of Garnacho.

If Garnacho played for Napoli the same fans that want to sell him would be wanting us to buy him for 100 mil.

 

[El-Manos]

Who's rating Garnacho that highly? Because it seems to be a few people on this forum that have decided he's highly rated, no one else in football is saying Garnacho is one of the best young players in the world. Napoli, the only team interested in him, only rate him at £38m. We sold Greenwood for £30m and he had a load of baggage. City won the treble last season and sold some of their best young players season on season, developing your own players isn't a sign of a successful club, winning trophies is.

All this is mute anyway because he isn't leaving unless Napoli spend that money they just got. He won't go for less than £50m+.

Since when is a player’s value determined by what a club offers? If we offer Madrid 5 million for mbappe doesn’t mean he’s worth that. Yes selling palmer was a great idea by city… I mean your arguments are not even helping your case ? Majority of football fans acknowledge garnacho is a very good talent . Selling rashford & antony should be a way bigger priority, anyone who claims different is delusional to be honest.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

You know who would have been a good fit for Amorim's inside forward? The guy we sold for peanuts to Chelsea because our previous manager didn't like him.

I mean he was lazy as shit and doesn't score goals. I don't think we sold Sancho just because him and ETH had a falling out.

 

[Castia]

His G/A this season is heavily boosted by his Carabao goal involvments vs Barnsley and Leicester. That's 3 goals and 3 assists in 2 dead rubber games vs weak opposition. If you take those away, he's not really had exceptional output in either of his 3 senior seasons so far, and he'd be on 5 goals and 2 assists halfway through the season, which aligns closely with how he's produced in his previous two seasons...but that's totally fine, as he is a prospect like you said, and I'm not debating that.

However, considering him one of the best young talents in the world, just because of his age and the fact that he's playing regularly for one of the biggest clubs in the world, is putting blind faith in him becoming a world beater IMO. There's really nothing about his overall skillset and profile for me that indicates he's going to become anything more than a solid Premier League level winger with good work-rate and acceptable output.

If I'm correct in my assessment, is this player with not an exceptionally high ceiling worth more than 55-60m at best? We would be getting a peak, or close to peak potential sort of fee for him, unless you think he can turn into a 100 million player, which is unlikely IMO.

This season has been a struggle not only with the results of the team but the fact he’s having to play a new position/role under Amorim that’s for sure but he’s shown enough in the previous 2 years to be considered a top young player for me

The team is utter shite and it’s looking like a bottom half finish you aren’t going to see a hype train around Garnacho in the current circumstances it’s hard for any player be it a 20 year old winger or prime Messi in this side yet his stats are decent and he’s shown real glimpses of pure class at times

He’ll smash it in Italy and no doubt get a massive move in 2-3 years. Meanwhile we’ve spent about 120m on Zirkzee and Hojlund who look about as talented as Garnacho’s left bollock

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Since when is a player’s value determined by what a club offers? If we offer Madrid 5 million for mbappe doesn’t mean he’s worth that. Yes selling palmer was a great idea by city… I mean your arguments are not even helping your case ? Majority of football fans acknowledge garnacho is a very good talent .

Actually many rival fans don't rate Garnacho as highly as our own do. And Argentina fans think he's crap every time he plays for them as well. You're acting like we have Yamal in our team and are trying to bin him off for some quick cash.

 

[El-Manos]

1) Maybe he’s not considered by the club to be one of our most promising players anymore? He’s not even a consistent starter under Amorim.

2) Even successful clubs let some of their most promising going players go. City are a prime example of that.

That’s because he pushed for a move. Palmer is now considered to be one of the best players in the league. City also have foden in his place, who is our talented left winger replacing him?

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

This season has been a struggle not only with the results of the team but the fact he’s having to play a new position/role under Amorim that’s for sure but he’s shown enough in the previous 2 years to be considered a top young player for me

The team is utter shite and it’s looking like a bottom half finish you aren’t going to see a hype train around Garnacho in the current circumstances it’s hard for any player be it a 20 year old winger or prime Messi in this side yet his stats are decent and he’s shown real glimpses of pure class at times

He’ll smash it in Italy and no doubt get a massive move in 2-3 years

Smashing it in Italy shouldn't matter either way though. There are plenty of players that dominate Serie A then are crap when they have to take the next step up. Majority here think Zirkzee is awful yet he was the young player of the year just a season ago in that league.

 

[crossy1686]

Dan James aside, all of the others were doing well in thir sides when we bought them, they never made it here. Good wingers are always seemingly available, finding one that stays good after signing for us is the challenge. We spent 250m on transfers for those players I listed, and not one of them was a major upgrade over Garnacho for us. Maybe Mkhi.

This is poor recruitment all over again. You know who would have been a good fit for Amorim's inside forward? The guy we sold for peanuts to Chelsea because our previous manager didn't like him. What happens when Amorim fails? We sell Diallo to buy a traditional winger? And spend another 150m trying to get the right one in?

70m is probably a fair price for Garnacho, but fair price for player does not mean fair value for us - nowhere close. A decent attacker is worth way way more than his FMV for us right now. I'm furious we're even considering this.

Luckily for us, we now have 'best in class' footballing structure in place that should oversee the squad building and recruitment moving forward to stop this from happening. The players we signed were doing well at their teams but they were signed because their teams wanted them out, the players that we signed and did well for us have all been young players who've grown into the team, the same applies for Garnacho. We haven't had a traditional winger since Valencia, we've been doing this inside forward nonsense for 10 years, Garnacho is just more direct and goes down the line which is why he excites people.

Why do we have to spend £150m on a new winger? How often would Fergie just go a pick a decent winger from a lower PL side and make them great in a better team? Valencia or Ashley Young for example. There are players out there, the answer isn't going cap in hand to Barcelona and signing a washed Ansu Fati because he's available and a name.

£70m for Garnacho is a great deal for us and we wouldn't even regret it short, medium or long term.

 

[El-Manos]

Actually many rival fans don't rate Garnacho as highly as our own do. And Argentina fans think he's crap every time he plays for them as well. You're acting like we have Yamal in our team and are trying to bin him off for some quick cash.

Sure we might as well sell yoro& Mainoo as well so? What’s the point in keeping them?

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

That’s because he pushed for a move. Palmer is now considered to be one of the best players in the league. City also have foden in his place, who is our talented left winger replacing him?

If you can't see the difference in ability between Palmer and Garnacho I don't know what to tell you

 

[Dan_F]

I expect him to be able to do the basics consistently, which isn't a lot to be honest. I expect inconsistent performances however, he's young and learning still.

We're not selling our best young talent, that is Mainoo. Garnacho isn't considered that good outside of a certain section of United fans, even Napoli don't seem to think he's anywhere near as good as the bloke they just sold. If we were desperate for the cash, we wouldn't be holding out for £70m, he'd be on a plane to Naples now, and you can only sell the players that have incoming bids. I'm sure in an ideal world we'd rather sell Lindelöf for £38m but no one wants him.

Basics as in what? Not finding the right pass or holding onto the ball for too long? That’s most young wingers.

I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea he’s not rated outside of United fans. He will feature highly on any list of top young players in world football. I think he came number 9 on the NXGN list in 2023 (too old for the 2024 version).

I’m not against selling him but I’d rather see him in a functioning team first. Any offers like £35 million are pointless, we won’t find a good replacement for that amount.

 

[crossy1686]

Why do people keep bringing up the Puskas as some grand achievement

It's a cool award but come on lads

Man, did you not hear? That bloke who scored that volley from 40 yards out in the conference and won the award went straight to Madrid for £100m. We should hold out for more!

 

[DWelbz19]

The problem with not selling players at the right time in the past is that a player like Garnacho is now one of the few actual players worth a good figure we can sell.

 

[Dan_F]

1) Maybe he’s not considered by the club to be one of our most promising players anymore? He’s not even a consistent starter under Amorim.

2) Even successful clubs let some of their most promising going players go. City are a prime example of that.

Great example to follow. City definitely aren’t regretting some of their decisions to let the likes of Palmer go.

 

[El-Manos]

If you can't see the difference in ability between Palmer and Garnacho I don't know what to tell you

I’m not saying that , they are your words

 

[hellhunter]

1) Maybe he’s not considered by the club to be one of our most promising players anymore? He’s not even a consistent starter under Amorim.

2) Even successful clubs let some of their most promising going players go. City are a prime example of that.

Like who? Palmer was nowhere close to Garnacho for City

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Sure we might as well sell yoro& Mainoo as well so? What’s the point in keeping them?

You're being dramatic and emotional for no reason. Yoro has all of the traits to become the next great CB in the world. Mainoo is a key starter right now with rare traits as well that aren't often seen in midfielders his age.

Garnacho doesn't have those same traits. I don't feel like harping on this again but if Napoli are willing to give a huge fee for him then it's not a bad idea to sell given our current financial state.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I’m not saying that you’re telling yourself this

You're equating the two situations as similar. I'm telling you they aren't really at all. The two players are on different levels ability wise, thus comparing their transfer situations is stupid.

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

I mean he was lazy as shit and doesn't score goals. I don't think we sold Sancho just because him and ETH had a falling out.

We have other players who are lazy as shit and don't score goals. They didn't fall out with the manager publicly, and hence weren't sold for a loss.
We have a current player who's on 350k who's lazy as shit and doesn't score goals. He's fallen out with the manager, and we're looking to sell him for a loss.
Selling Sancho was a good call because of his unprofessionalism, not debating that. The point I'm making is that you can't let go of the rare-to-come-by promising players because they don't fit in the system and can fetch us some money.

We seem to forget that the goal is to have more good players in the team. Money is a means to make that happen - doesn't always work.
You don't start selling the few good players you have to make more money - it weakens the team with little guarantee of improving it.

Our squad is already severely lacking in goalscorers, you don't sell one of the few left to raise money.

 

[pascell]

Doesn't matter how good or how much potential a player has got, if they have a poor attitude that's going to cause conflict, they're no good to us.

£70m is a very good amount, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I also don't want a buyback clause, simply because I don't think he'd come back anyway given the chance.

 

[crossy1686]

Since when is a player’s value determined by what a club offers? If we offer Madrid 5 million for mbappe doesn’t mean he’s worth that. Yes selling palmer was a great idea by city… I mean your arguments are not even helping your case ? Majority of football fans acknowledge garnacho is a very good talent . Selling rashford & antony should be a way bigger priority, anyone who claims different is delusional to be honest.

The buying club clearly think thats good value for him, if we offer £5m for Mbappe we're either mugs or he's fell off the biggest cliff ever. Yeah I'm sure City are gutted about selling Palmer, I heard they were talking to Chelsea about doing a swap, the treble for Palmer. If my arguments aren't helping my case then you should hear yours: "Successful clubs don't sell 20 year old wingers who aren't first team regulars", you better let every club in the world know because I don't think they're aware.

Fans of other clubs don't rate him anywhere near as much as some on here do. Neither do Argentina.

Again, how can we sell players that don't have bids? If they had bid £38m for Rashford or Antony they'd probably be gone already, and we're not selling Garnacho anyway unless they meet the valuation.

 

[El-Manos]

You're being dramatic and emotional for no reason. Yoro has all of the traits to become the next great CB in the world. Mainoo is a key starter right now with rare traits as well that aren't often seen in midfielders his age.

Garnacho doesn't have those same traits. I don't feel like harping on this again but if Napoli are willing to give a huge fee for him then it's not a bad idea to sell given our current financial state.

All about perspective, Mainoo was actually dropped for a few weeks by Amorim as well due to his high rotation. Garnacho is being slowly re-introduced as this is a new role for him. Yoro has technically proven very little as well, doesn’t mean we should sell him. Anyway sick of arguing here, I don’t think we should Mainoo, yoro or Garnacho. Plenty of dross to be sold

 

[Adisa]

Think people are not understanding this.
We are about to lose one of the most talented young players in Europe for financial reasons because we are broke.
When has this ever happened?
Feels like new territory to me. It’s disgraceful

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Think people are not understanding this.
We are about to lose one of the most talented young players in Europe for financial reasons because we are broke.
When has this ever happened?
Feels like new territory to me. It’s disgraceful

Yup. I can’t remember the last time such a thing has happened. It’s very sad.

 

[Castia]

1) Maybe he’s not considered by the club to be one of our most promising players anymore? He’s not even a consistent starter under Amorim.

2) Even successful clubs let some of their most promising going players go. City are a prime example of that.

Wish people would stop with this. City selling talent like Palmer after they’ve just won every trophy going and have a squad full of world class players is nothing like us selling one of our top talents leaving the attack with the likes of Zirkzee and Hojlund

They sell because they generally can’t guarantee them games and can get big money if there was any chance of Palmer getting the same appearances for City as Garnacho has for us then he wouldn’t have been sold

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

The problem with not selling players at the right time in the past is that a player like Garnacho is now one of the few actual players worth a good figure we can sell.

Yep. I've mentioned it in past threads but United fans, for as much as they like to say we're so "vile and impatient", are actually some of the most patient on the planet for a big club with being willing to give players time to succeed as long as they are putting in the effort. So there's never fan support to sell a player "early" or young because there's always a group of optimists wanting to hold out. Do that enough, and you just let players that ultimately aren't good enough tank their value into the ground and you become even worse at selling than you already are as a club.

Everyone wants the next young player to become a Scholes level legend and never leave while leading us to trophies out of the academy, when the truth is there's a reason that the class of '92 is so heralded and it's because that sort of youth success and longetivity basically never happens.

 

[El-Manos]

The buying club clearly think thats good value for him, if we offer £5m for Mbappe we're either mugs or he's fell off the biggest cliff ever. Yeah I'm sure City are gutted about selling Palmer, I heard they were talking to Chelsea about doing a swap, the treble for Palmer. If my arguments aren't helping my case then you should hear yours: "Successful clubs don't sell 20 year old wingers who aren't first team regulars", you better let every club in the world know because I don't think they're aware.

Again, how can we sell players that don't have bids? If they had bid £38m for Rashford or Antony they'd probably be gone already, and we're not selling Garnacho anyway unless they meet the valuation.

Garnacho has been a starter for the last year. Amorim has been rotating everyone so I wouldn’t go by his current line ups yet.
City had foden in his place what fantastic left winger have we available? Also who says city don’t regret selling him? Chelsea sold salah & de Bruyne way too premature as well. Anyway I’m done arguing the same point. You think we need to sell our best young players , good for you I guess.

 

[witchtrials]

No one can guarantee he will be a success if he stays here.

But I would rather support a club that tries to develop their best young players in the hope we can get watch them grow into something special rather than cash in on them as a mid range asset so we can reinvest in Ivan Toney.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Fair enough and it’s pretty subjective I suppose. I’m not desperate to see him sold, but personally I don’t think he’s destined for much better than being a Young/Valencia level winger at best.

Good, but not irreplaceable for similar money as to what I think we’d realistically expect to get for him, @ £50-£60m

His numbers are already much better than those guys and his career trajectory much higher at his age. Not to mention he's playing at a higher level.

 

[crossy1686]

Think people are not understanding this.
We are about to lose one of the most talented young players in Europe for financial reasons because we are broke.
When has this ever happened?
Feels like new territory to me. It’s disgraceful

Where, in the multiple reports, does it state that United are desperate to sell 'one of the most talented player in Europe' (he's not, but okay) for cheap because we're broke?

Or does it actually say that United will sell Garnacho for around £70m if a club meets that valuation?

Can you see which one of those statements is reasonable and which one is hysterical?

 

[Zumbi]

I don't think Amorim is even part of the equation.

Do people honestly think that Amorim is looking at 20 year old Garnacho, a player who has been producing, a player with a massive ceiling, and is saying I don't even want to work with this guy? Do people think Amorim sees a 20 year old Garnacho as the finished article that can't be coached, that can't be developed? Do people think that low of Amorim? And even if that was true, why would we even want Amorim as our coach then? Why would we want a coach that is so beholden to one style and one style alone that he'll never be able to accommodate a winger into his play, this is Manchester United, we have a rich history of using wingers in our football. Personally, I think much more highly of Amorim then most on here seem to because I don't for a second think Amorim wants rid of Garnacho.

If Garnacho played for Napoli the same fans that want to sell him would be wanting us to buy him for 100 mil.

I don’t think he’s saying he won’t work with the guy, or that he’s the finished article that can’t be coached. That’s just all speculative nonsense you’ve made up to strawman the argument. Amorim has specifically said he is trying to coach him to his system.

Having said that, we know for a fact that Amorim has very publicly dropped Garnacho, and that so far he has not consistently started him. It’s clear based on what we’ve seen so far, that he’s not viewed as a “first name on the team sheet” type player like Bruno and Amad seem to be.

Whether you like Amorim’s system or view it as in keeping with Utd’s history or tradition or not is neither here nor there. He has been appointed as manager, it’s clear he is going to stick with implementing that system, and it makes sense that our transfer targets will be somewhat based on player profiles that fit that system. Time will tell if it works or not.

Some fans just don’t rate Garnacho as highly as you seem to, and can see the justification for selling him if the right price is met. I genuinely don’t see him as such a talent that he can’t be sold, and I can easily envisage a situation in which the funds from his sale could result in new players coming in who fit Amorim’s system better, resulting in better results on the pitch.

 

[Frosty]

Think people are not understanding this.
We are about to lose one of the most talented young players in Europe for financial reasons because we are broke.
When has this ever happened?
Feels like new territory to me. It’s disgraceful

We aren't broke. We have been mismanaged to the extent we may breach the financial regulations. And FFP and PSR incentivise clubs to sell the academy players. That's bad enough.

 

[El-Manos]

No one can guarantee he will be a success if he stays here.

But I would rather support a club that tries to develop their best young players in the hope we can get watch them grow into something special rather than cash in on them as a mid range asset so we can reinvest in Ivan Toney.

Amen

 

[Rojofiam]

I don't think Amorim is even part of the equation.

Do people honestly think that Amorim is looking at 20 year old Garnacho, a player who has been producing, a player with a massive ceiling, and is saying I don't even want to work with this guy? Do people think Amorim sees a 20 year old Garnacho as the finished article that can't be coached, that can't be developed? Do people think that low of Amorim? And even if that was true, why would we even want Amorim as our coach then? Why would we want a coach that is so beholden to one style and one style alone that he'll never be able to accommodate a winger into his play, this is Manchester United, we have a rich history of using wingers in our football. Personally, I think much more highly of Amorim then most on here seem to because I don't for a second think Amorim wants rid of Garnacho.

If Garnacho played for Napoli the same fans that want to sell him would be wanting us to buy him for 100 mil.

"massive ceiling" based on what?

 

[Frosty]

"massive ceiling" based on what?

He is small and the room is big.