ALL of our owners are parasites. That includes Sir Jammy. They're only here to disassemble and part out as much of the team as they can get away with. If they happen across a manager and a lineup that keeps us in Europe or a player that sells shirts, all the better for them but we'll win promotion from the Championship before we win the Premier or Champions league as long as we're still owned by these carnies.
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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C'mon Conte, throw a tantrum to get your way!!
Hope we put in a first refusal option if this happens. Could easily see him back in the Prem in a few years and it would be gutting if it was with a rival club.
You would probably have to add another 20 mil to get Mbeumo.
So we sell one of the best young prospects in the world, with a huge ceiling, to then have to add money to buy a guy that no one heard of til last week and is decent, but probably already operating at his ceiling.
Maybe you could justify selling a prospect like Garnacho for a ready made player if that ready made player makes the difference of finishing first instead of second or fourth instead of fifth, but we are going to sell the soul of the club, the kind of player we should building around, the kind of player everyone will want to spend 100 mil if he wasn't ours, to go from finishing 8th to maybe finishing 6th.
I would rather suffer for a few years while Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Yoro and Amad come into their own, and then we'll have a core group of top class talent that we can then supplement with purchases. But instead we'll sell Garnacho for 60, buy Mbuemo for 80 and then in 2 years spend 100 mil on a 25 year old version of Garnacho, or more likely, not buy them and complain their is no value in the market.
Why would he ever want to come back to us if we sell him just to make some money? He'll go the Elanga route and shit talk us all over the place.
It really isn’t. They may not reach the same heights but the principles apply. You don’t sell your most promising young players. That’s pure lunacy.
Don't waste your time on him. He's 20 years old and should be world class already, apparently.
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If I was Garnacho I think I’d want a move.
He knows with everyone fit he doesn’t have a natural role in the side. He’s already shown he can be an effective LW and Napoli have a glaring LW hole ready to be filled.
Would you rather spend half your season on a bench in a system that doesn’t suit you or play first team football for a CL and league contending club?
However we have to be clear that Garnacho isn’t anywhere near a £30m player. He’s not on stupid wages, he’s clearly very good and highly regarded in world football based on golden boy nominations so there isn’t the excuse for a low fee like there would be with say Rashford.
One is clearly a more desirable asset. If we sell him, we need to be compensated accordingly.
He knows with everyone fit he doesn’t have a natural role in the side. He’s already shown he can be an effective LW and Napoli have a glaring LW hole ready to be filled.
Would you rather spend half your season on a bench in a system that doesn’t suit you or play first team football for a CL and league contending club?
However we have to be clear that Garnacho isn’t anywhere near a £30m player. He’s not on stupid wages, he’s clearly very good and highly regarded in world football based on golden boy nominations so there isn’t the excuse for a low fee like there would be with say Rashford.
One is clearly a more desirable asset. If we sell him, we need to be compensated accordingly.
It’s interesting how people interpret comments. It’s the context. I’m not comparing players, more the situation. We’ve never sold our most promising young players. You cannot sell a talent like Garnacho at aged 20. It’s ludicrous that some are entertaining this as a good idea.
Unless someone in the org knows that Garnacho is about to go down for partaking in an international human trafficking ring, there's absolutely no reason to sell this kid for less than we paid for Van de Beek. You'd be lucky to reinvest that money and get a player who ends up being as good as Garnacho
I was thinking that last night when watching the Forest/Liverpool game, did we have any kind of a buyback clause put in when we sold Elanga ?
Yeah, £35m.
Muniz, the 23yo Fulham striker, is going on loan with obligation to buy for £30m
Same thing crossed my mind and no one really thought about it from his perspective.
Love when people put words in my mouth for suggesting 60m for Garnacho is a good offer that we should take
Agree with the compensation part, but I also wish people would actually look at the Garnacho side of that graphic and realize what it means briefly before stating how unreal his potential is.
Side note: Rashfords metrics have been hilariously bad for almost two years now.
Exactly, this situation is just not what United are about and concerns me greatly. Selling Garnacho and/or Mainoo would be so wrong - both very amongst the best in their age group and have lots of growing to do despite already contributing well.
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It’s also not like he’s a natural academy product. We poached him, we didn’t really develop him from a young kid, so again is he going to be as rooted and clear on desperately wanting to play only for us or can he see a better pathway at Napoli?
Personally I think from the players side it’s a no brainer in footballing terms Napoli’s a far better fit for all he can do.
I don’t know that the graphic shows that, but it certainly shows what an excellent ball carrier he is for the side. I don’t think he’s a great 1 v 1 dribbler though.
Nope it your selling anyone it's hojlund. My grandmother who's dead 20 years might pop up out of the grave and have a better touch. And acceleration and do a keep uppy
Not sure what the point of a ball carrier that can’t beat a man is if I’m honest. Especially if it’s a winger
I'll caveat the rest of this by saying that if Alejandro himself wants to leave then so be it.
However, if he's happy at United and this is all just about trying to get some cash in then what the hell is going on?
United fans have been brought up on players who get you out of your seat and he's one of those.
Down the left wing and a cross with his left foot for Amad to score at Anfield and down the right with a right foot cross for Bruno to score at Arsenal in successive games. The two most recent goals we've scored from open play!
I'm all about the team but will be really disappointed if he becomes a victim of the executive's chronic mismanagement.
However, if he's happy at United and this is all just about trying to get some cash in then what the hell is going on?
United fans have been brought up on players who get you out of your seat and he's one of those.
Down the left wing and a cross with his left foot for Amad to score at Anfield and down the right with a right foot cross for Bruno to score at Arsenal in successive games. The two most recent goals we've scored from open play!
I'm all about the team but will be really disappointed if he becomes a victim of the executive's chronic mismanagement.
Could maybe loan him out just so he can get a taste of what it's like with Conte.
Nurturing young academy lads may be part of our identity but won't someone please think of the PSR! Selling Mainoo or Garnacho means we can afford the next Mount or Zirkzee.
Bought for 72M 18 months ago and even as someone who sees potential in him I would be the first to admit he would probably go for around half of that right now which would actually make our PSR position worse not better. Garnacho is, God I hate this phrase, pure profit from a PSR view. Rashford is the same which is why we could happily sell him for 25M and still be miles better off in that regard.
I see many people talks about potential on why Garnacho should be kept instead of fit. He has been drop by Amorim as our coach decided that he couldn't play in our system. He play as right AM and provided an assist but overall his performance was considered average. Ineos and Amorim will definitely consider a sale if a respectable offer is made for sure. Napoli knows that as well, they started with a low proposed transfer and will eventually increase their offer maybe to 42-45 million. I am not too concern about selling Garnacho as long as we have 2 young players (20-23 yo) with a low fee (20-25 million) identified. It make sense to sell to fund our next 2 projects.
I recon he wants out.
Better weather. Lifestyle and the club he's joining probably offering more in immediate wages and far more likely to win something in the next 5 years.
Better weather. Lifestyle and the club he's joining probably offering more in immediate wages and far more likely to win something in the next 5 years.
His brother better learn to shut up if he goes there. The curva a are no joke and Naples is a small city.
Out of curiosity, how do you think that Garnacho will react if asked to go on a loan to Sunderland, like Amad did?
The parallel with Amad can not be further from the truth. There hasn't been a single piece of bad news coming out for Amad. When you are comparing talent and potential, character has to come into play as well.
Still can't believe this is an actual discussion. I just can't see how we can let a player like him go. But then, what do I know, I rooted for Rashford and thought Sancho would be a superstar for us when we were linked.
Maybe Amorim has his eyes on a better player? Garnacho has not impressed under Amorim but he is still very young. Still think he will remain at OT.
Option1
Buckle down, develop his game and sign an incentivized contract.
Option2
If option 1 isnt possible and he doesnt see a future here, we sell for 50m or more.
Option3
Amorim has a player in mind and would sacrifice Garnacho to sign them.
I think people should focus on #1.
#2 is just italian press talk and wishful thinking.
Buckle down, develop his game and sign an incentivized contract.
Option2
If option 1 isnt possible and he doesnt see a future here, we sell for 50m or more.
Option3
Amorim has a player in mind and would sacrifice Garnacho to sign them.
I think people should focus on #1.
#2 is just italian press talk and wishful thinking.
Send us the Kvara money and he’s yours.
Very surprised at that. I remember him looking brilliant for a spell there, though I think Jiminez has taken the starting spot? I don't watch Fulham outside of the odd highlights so have no idea what the situation is there.
If i was a pro footballer with half his talent Id follow Amorim's advice simply because itll make me a better player overall and less of a one trick pony which gets easier and easier to defend. Youve never heard of Messi saying he prefers to play in a certain way, he can do any attacking positions on the pitch and adapting to managers demand, in and out doesnt matter and that is why he is one of the greatest. Thats the ultimate level of footballer so Garna should just learn how to do it.
No way should the club consider selling him.
He is one of the few players at his age that have the courage and tenacity that he has. He has improved every season he has been apart of the squad and has the highest output of all our players this year.
People get annoyed at his character, but it takes a determined and arrogant person to make their debut for one of the largest clubs in the world at 17, and perform as well as he has for a player of his age.
Can he get better at passing or positioning?, yes, of course, but isn’t that why we pay coaches millions of dollars each year?
He is one of the few players at his age that have the courage and tenacity that he has. He has improved every season he has been apart of the squad and has the highest output of all our players this year.
People get annoyed at his character, but it takes a determined and arrogant person to make their debut for one of the largest clubs in the world at 17, and perform as well as he has for a player of his age.
Can he get better at passing or positioning?, yes, of course, but isn’t that why we pay coaches millions of dollars each year?
Thank god we’ll still have Antony and Zirkzee to keep up the attacking threat should we sell him. Oh wait a minute maybe this isn’t such a good idea after all.
Yeah I wouldn't want to see him sold either, however this dire financial situation means we need someone that can actually raise some cash
The lowest id consider selling him is 65m-75m and im a big fan but
Im also a fan that would sell amad for 90-95mil million too
If people want gyokeres so much, id rather sell Hojlund tbh than sell Garnacho.
Im also a fan that would sell amad for 90-95mil million too
If people want gyokeres so much, id rather sell Hojlund tbh than sell Garnacho.
Don't think there is anything in this, he is coming along nicely and has that Rooney perchant for scoring or assisting even when not playing well. Amorim will work on and with him and by the end of the season we will see a different player.
If his head has been turned then it's £50m +, no player is irreplaceable but the objective should be to keep and develop him.
Until we are sure that our recruitment is up to the required standard then we shouldn't be actively looking to sell the few good players we have because the morons that brought in some of the dross we are now saddled with will just waste the money.
If his head has been turned then it's £50m +, no player is irreplaceable but the objective should be to keep and develop him.
Until we are sure that our recruitment is up to the required standard then we shouldn't be actively looking to sell the few good players we have because the morons that brought in some of the dross we are now saddled with will just waste the money.