Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

:lol: feck off with that poor ass offer. If it was any team with sense selling Garnacho, he'd be 80- 100m easily.
£80m is what City got for Alvarez who played the most games for them in his last season and is a starter for the World Cup champions. Garnacho can't nail down a starting position for United and is just a squad filler for Argentine.

Nappli's offer is poor but he isn't worth more than £50-55m.
 
£80m is what City got for Alvarez who played the most games for them in his last season and is a starter for the World Cup champions. Garnacho can't nail down a starting position for United and is just a squad filler for Argentine.

Nappli's offer is poor but he isn't worth more than £50-55m.

Correct. At the same time, Alvarez made his debut for Argentina two and a half years later than Garnacho. Garnacho did it at 19 while Alvarez did it well past his 21st birthday (and was a year older at the time than Garnacho now).

When you buy someone as young as Garnacho from a top league you are also making a gamble on their potential. Something we have done and tried with Hojlund. 60 would be bare minimum imo.
 
I like Garna but if someone came in with 80m for him we should at least definitely consider selling.

As many have said before, seems that the club have taken the initiative to combat agent greed in contract negotiations by “threatening” to sell their clients. Gives us a bit of leverage in what has always been difficult negotiations for us.

I’m all for it. Nobody is untouchable anymore. After it’s all said and done, nobody is going to pay Garna a higher salary than what we would offer anyways.
 
Correct. At the same time, Alvarez made his debut for Argentina two and a half years later than Garnacho. Garnacho did it at 19 while Alvarez did it well past his 21st birthday (and was a year older at the time than Garnacho now).

When you buy someone as young as Garnacho from a top league you are also making a gamble on their potential. Something we have done and tried with Hojlund. 60 would be bare minimum imo.

We were buying a player that the selling club didnt have to sell nor wanted to sell. We seem to be open to selling Garnacho and might even have to sell him to buy some players that better suit the system.
 
£80m is what City got for Alvarez who played the most games for them in his last season and is a starter for the World Cup champions. Garnacho can't nail down a starting position for United and is just a squad filler for Argentine.

Nappli's offer is poor but he isn't worth more than £50-55m.
yes but for a player like Garnacho you arent selling him for what he's worth right now.

you would be selling him for what he's worth based on things like potential

we don't need to sell and if we did it would be leaving us very short in attack

these are all factors
 
Just for a little Clarity, Abramovic estimated wealth is around 10 Billion, Ratcliffes is around 16 Billion, in Dollars that is by the way.

This weird thing people have about him not having the money to run the club needs to stop, he's already invested 380 million of his own money in this year alone. Just because he's not running it like PSG or City does not mean he's not able to.
The rules have changed since those days, what Abramovic could do is not allowed anymore, that's what FFP and now PSR was brought in to stop, a clubs expenditure is now based on what its icome is, whilst it's probably still possible for some money to come in it's not basically a blank check anymore
 
Correct. At the same time, Alvarez made his debut for Argentina two and a half years later than Garnacho. Garnacho did it at 19 while Alvarez did it well past his 21st birthday (and was a year older at the time than Garnacho now).

When you buy someone as young as Garnacho from a top league you are also making a gamble on their potential. Something we have done and tried with Hojlund. 60 would be bare minimum imo.
That is a good point regarding their debut and tbh I think Alvarez was overpriced but he had the pedigree when he was sold.

Most agree United overpaid massively for Hojlund. I don't see anyone offering £60m for Garnacho based on his performances or potential.
 
Correct. At the same time, Alvarez made his debut for Argentina two and a half years later than Garnacho. Garnacho did it at 19 while Alvarez did it well past his 21st birthday (and was a year older at the time than Garnacho now).

When you buy someone as young as Garnacho from a top league you are also making a gamble on their potential. Something we have done and tried with Hojlund. 60 would be bare minimum imo.
This isn't really a great barometer. Garnacho was given his debut earlier that he probably otherwise would have been because he was also eligible for Spain and Argentina wanted to secure him as an option for them.
 
yes but for a player like Garnacho you arent selling him for what he's worth right now.

you would be selling him for what he's worth based on things like potential

we don't need to sell and if we did it would be leaving us very short in attack

these are all factors
I don't think United should sell now but they should be open for offers in the summer and don't overinflate his value.
 
This isn't really a great barometer. Garnacho was given his debut earlier that he probably otherwise would have been because he was also eligible for Spain and Argentina wanted to secure him as an option for them.

I wasn't the one making that barometar regarding their role in the national team. On the other hand, Argentina pushing to secure Garnacho for their national team in the danger that Spain might call him is another thing that speaks of his potential as a player. He also already made 8 appearances including Copa America debut.

We were buying a player that the selling club didnt have to sell nor wanted to sell. We seem to be open to selling Garnacho and might even have to sell him to buy some players that better suit the system.

Bologna will always be open to sell. We are not the selling club usually. Actually, you might argue considering our financial situation that we are in the same boat as Bologna. We won't sell unless it is a really good offer. There is zero sense in selling Garnacho for 35 - 40 million. Am sure we can find that money elsewhere and keep playing Garnacho as it is.

The thing changes if Garnacho is the one pushing for a move. That is the option that no one opened up, but could be a possibility.

That is a good point regarding their debut and tbh I think Alvarez was overpriced but he had the pedigree when he was sold.

Most agree United overpaid massively for Hojlund. I don't see anyone offering £60m for Garnacho based on his performances or potential.

I mean, our valuation isn't that far anyway, so am not gonna expand further. For example, 50-55m with some add-ons attached to his development is always an option/possibility.
 
If we could get 70m for him and turn around and use that free up for a couple of players that fit Amorim's system would be great business
 
As much as I like Garnacho, £50m would get the job done. It's pure profit for PSR and we can spend the money on two signings if we spread the payments. We need system players right now, he doesn't fit this system as talented as he his. We can't be sentimental anymore, we have to get back to our previous level eventually and supporting Ruben is the only way that will come and if this allows us the funds to do that then so be it.
 
Feck sake a lad who just turned 20 in July People seem to forget Diallo is exactly two years older than him and spent last season in the championship. There born the same month. Same fans would want Diallo sold for 40 million last season and be happy with 5 million

We all know he shouldn't be a regular starter and should be coming on in 70th minute or starting cup games but the lad has all the talent in the world.

It's not his fault we have wasters like Rashford and Sancho and spent 90 million on Anthony and got thrown in the deep end.

Fans need o be patient with him, it's not his fecking fault our club is a shambles and Garnacho has to fill the void after just turning 20.

Anyone that wants him out want there head examined
 
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yes but for a player like Garnacho you arent selling him for what he's worth right now.

you would be selling him for what he's worth based on things like potential

we don't need to sell and if we did it would be leaving us very short in attack

these are all factors
We absolutley DO need to sell though, that's sort of the entire point here. Garnacho is one of the few players with real market value that we have, and it can be argued might be expendable as well.

If we had 200m ready and waiting for next summer obviously we'd tell any club inquiring about him to feck off, but I don't think we have hardly a quarter of that as things stand.
 
Feck sake a lad who just turned 20 in July People seem to forget Diallo is exactly two years older than him and spent last season in the championship. There born the same month.

We all know he shouldn't be a regular starter and should be coming on in 70th minute or starting cup games but the lad has all the talent in the world.

It's not his fault we have wasters like Rashford and Sancho and spent 90 million on Anthony and got thrown in the deep end.

Fans news to be patient with him, it's not his fecking fault our club is a shambles and Garnacho has to fill the void after just turning 20.

Anyone that wants him out want there head examined

It is not Garnacho his fault but he could be a sollution to solve the problem of having wasted loads of money on Antony, Sancho and Rashford. I doubt many actually want to see Garnacho leave but if selling him for a good amount of money so (better) players who fit the tactic better could be bought, it might be the best option to sell Garnacho.
 
There's wasters I'd far rather get rid of than Garna, such as Rashy, Antony, and Case (not a waster but past it)

I thought he did OK against Arsenal and was getting his head up more with a nice assist. I'll be annoyed if we get rid of him and keep the aforementioned

At least see if he can be developed into Amorims system and wait until the sunmer
 
It is not Garnacho his fault but he could be a sollution to solve the problem of having wasted loads of money on Antony, Sancho and Rashford. I doubt many actually want to see Garnacho leave but if selling him for a good amount of money so (better) players who fit the tactic better could be bought, it might be the best option to sell Garnacho.
Sadly true. UTD are broke. I don't see us getting a player in outside of a loan unless we make a sale. We halfway through the window and zero signs of anyone coming in.If UTD can get 70 mil for him then do it. Otherwise keep him. He's a young player, young players are going to have down seasons. He might very well bounce back and be on track to a world class player. I'd like very much to keep him. But I don't see how we can afford a striker, a LB another midfield and probably one more CB without a huge sale. And Rashford value is in the tanker so its seems it has to be Garnacho
 
We all laugh at City selling Palmer, but selling Garnacho is akin to that.

The lad is supremely talented, has courage and got involved in that little spat with Ugarte vs Arsenal.

Literally one of my favourite players and is only, what 20 years old (?)

I'd be mortified if we sold him; an exciting young talent, exactly what we previously nurtured.
 
We all laugh at City selling Palmer, but selling Garnacho is akin to that.

The lad is supremely talented, has courage and got involved in that little spat with Ugarte vs Arsenal.

Literally one of my favourite players and is only, what 20 years old (?)

I'd be mortified if we sold him; an exciting young talent, exactly what we previously nurtured.
Garnacho has shown much more for us than Palmer for City
 
We should hold firm here, we know Napoli have the Kvara money. 35m or anywhere close to that is insultingly low.
 
If I was Amorim, I'd want some assurance on who the club has lined up to replace him before agreeing to any sale
 
As much as I like Garnacho, £50m would get the job done. It's pure profit for PSR and we can spend the money on two signings if we spread the payments. We need system players right now, he doesn't fit this system as talented as he his. We can't be sentimental anymore, we have to get back to our previous level eventually and supporting Ruben is the only way that will come and if this allows us the funds to do that then so be it.
Who cares if it’s pure profit for PSR, people have been slating us for selling poorly for years (quite rightly) and all of a sudden half the cafe want the bare minimum for a player we should be keeping let alone selling for around £70M.
 
You could argue we sold Elanga too early. If we did the same with Garnacho and he realises his potential elsewhere we could really, really regret it.
Elanga would be a perfect wing back in the new system.

Garnacho is a good player with loads of potential, but for £70m it would help fund better fit players
 
Just caught this does it mean they are realistic in knowing they have to pay more, or realistic in their ability to stretch to out valuation :lol:

Might well be a summer deal at this rate.
I read it as being realistic evaluating their chances of signing him. A player that doesn't want to move for roughly half the asking price in January is a long shot