Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Valencia Shin Crosses said:
You realize the entire point of the thread is speculating on his actual transfer value relative to future value right?
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No, must have missed this information, thought it was about his potential transfer.

Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Name one thing Garnacho has markedly improved on since coming into the squad? The only one that a case can be made is his defensive work rate and attacking positions he takes up.
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I see you answered it yourself.

Valencia Shin Crosses said:
We shouldn't be looking to buy another 20 year old thats going to average a goal or assist every 3 games in the PL while having poor overall play. The entire point is buying a player of higher quality with the 60m or so we'd get from selling him.
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We are not after a ready made player for now as well I don't think, we're building a team to compete in a couple years, and Garnacho is certainly good enough to be a part of it.

I think it'd be a travesty selling him now, he's one of the highest rated young players in the world, safe to say his value will be going up as he enters his prime years (in about 3-5 years time). Fans with patience span of a tiktok video can't see it, oh well.
 
red_de_pologne said:
No, must have missed this information, thought it was about his potential transfer.



I see you answered it yourself.



We are not after a ready made player for now as well I don't think, we're building a team to compete in a couple years, and Garnacho is certainly good enough to be a part of it.

I think it'd be a travesty selling him now, he's one of the highest rated young players in the world, safe to say his value will be going up as he enters his prime years (in about 3-5 years time). Fans with patience span of a tiktok video can't see it, oh well.
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"Safe to say his value will be going up as he enters his prime years"... I don't think that's "safe to say" at all though which is where we differ completely. No point in arguing more, although thinking it has anything to do with "patience" on my end after a decade of watching us be "patient" with every player while they crater their market value playing poorly for years on end is hilarious. I apologize for hoping the club becomes a bit more forward thinking and willing to make "hard" decisions that fans might not like with regards to sales.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
If you can’t distinguish performances from output (especially when a good amount of that was in the league cup against Barnsley) I’m not sure what to tell you. Anyone who’s watched Garnacho would tell you his best attribute right now is probably his positioning in the final third
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I’ve replied to a comment from a poster calling him atrocious which he has not been. Also if you are calling out his carabao performance v Barnsley you can also call out his assist v Arsenal , assist v Liverpool and goal v City in CS. Like I said some posters just want to criticise our players.
 
Scanny said:
He’s a talent. He’s young. Don’t sell for me. If Amorim and his coaching team are all we hope they are then Garnacho can be coached into a place in this team.
I want players who get me out of my seat to stay at United. He has the potential to be that consistently.
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I agree, mate. Not the kind of player to move on from unless he has lost his work ethic.
 
Red00012 said:
I’ve replied to a comment from a poster calling him atrocious which he has not been. Also if you are calling out his carabao performance v Barnsley you can also call out his assist v Arsenal , assist v Liverpool and goal v City in CS. Like I said some posters just want to criticise our players.
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Wait we are counting community shield stats now?

And I don't "just want to criticise" our players at all, I'd prefer Garnacho was a world beater and we won the treble constantly. But I'm tired of rehashing this, my original point was always that people put too much value on our young/academy players to where they are never willing to sell any of them or accept that they might not be as good as you think.
 
I wonder about both his work ethic/attitude and his desire to be at United. I doubt I'll ever know, but if the attitude and/or desire aren't right, then it's better to get rid now while the market value is still high as a poor attitude will just yield a declining performance level over time (and we end up with another Rashford type situation).
 
talking robot said:
I wonder about both his work ethic/attitude and his desire to be at United. I doubt I'll ever know, but if the attitude and/or desire aren't right, then it's better to get rid now while the market value is still high as a poor attitude will just yield a declining performance level over time (and we end up with another Rashford type situation).
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Feels like there has been an improvement in his performance levels since being dropped for City
 
I think this is one of those moments where we need to sell when the stock is high of a player. We always complain top clubs get good fees for players. Its because they evaluate if the player is good enough for them or look at its ceiling and based on that make a rationale decision. Whereas we as a club is far too emotional. It has cost us a lot with managers as well (i.e. not sacking at a right time)

I think anything above 50M pounds we should take and run. Garnacho is too raw and has no exceptional quality, his best version may still not be good enough for us. Currently he is a good squad player, that we can use and his effectiveness is only against tired defenses.

But the problem is we are already very light in forward areas and with him going and Rashford also about to leave we will leave ourselves with no attacking options except Zhirkee (Mount is no longer an option). Unless we sign an attacker, we should wait till Summer and get a bidding war going.
 
People need to not try and make this about anything other than money, this is a pure financial decision. He is the easiest player to sell for a large profit to "ease PSR concerns". Don't make it about his attitude or Amorim's preference, we have owners who can't afford to run the club properly and they need to sell the soul of the club to extend the charade a little longer.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
People need to not try and make this about anything other than money, this is a pure financial decision. He is the easiest player to sell for a large profit to "ease PSR concerns". Don't make it about his attitude or Amorim's preference, we have owners who can't afford to run the club properly and they need to sell the soul of the club to extend the charade a little longer.
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Just for a little Clarity, Abramovic estimated wealth is around 10 Billion, Ratcliffes is around 16 Billion, in Dollars that is by the way.

This weird thing people have about him not having the money to run the club needs to stop, he's already invested 380 million of his own money in this year alone. Just because he's not running it like PSG or City does not mean he's not able to.
 
Just give him the big contract that he's obviously after, so that I can start moaning about how he's not trying on the pitch anymore.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
People need to not try and make this about anything other than money, this is a pure financial decision. He is the easiest player to sell for a large profit to "ease PSR concerns". Don't make it about his attitude or Amorim's preference, we have owners who can't afford to run the club properly and they need to sell the soul of the club to extend the charade a little longer.
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It's not about the owners being able to fund it. We have a cash flow problem and years of shit transfers that have caught up with us.
 
JJ12 said:
It's not about the owners being able to fund it. We have a cash flow problem and years of shit transfers that have caught up with us.
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Yeah the 12 years of mismanagement is really hurting us in a very big way right now
 
Unless we were bringing in someone like Rodrygo it’d be absolute madness to sell Garnacho.

He’s got a very high ceiling. Yes he’s had a bit of a difficult time at points this season, but he’s got 13 G/A in 30 appearances (some of which have been as a sub) in a really poor United side.
 
Would be mental to sell this guy.

Unless there’s some issues behind the scenes we aren’t privy to. There’s always been rumblings about his ego and attitude spanning back to even his debut year.

Everyone has a price though. Nobody should be untouchable.
 
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Cantonagotmehere said:
I agree, mate. Not the kind of player to move on from unless he has lost his work ethic.
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I think the only way Garnacho is moving is if there is something wrong behind the scenes that we don't know about. Manager and coaches probably discussed in length with long time club staff every detail of every player as well while observing themselves. I don't know anything but from my observation of what I saw on the pitch from him Garnacho he rised to very solid level very soon but it seemed to me his body language was not good anymore when getting to starter level (thinking a bit to much of himself to soon). Lot's of bitching to teammates, waving hands, not tracking back, poor work ethic (not sure but wasn't there also an article about similar from when he went away with national team?). Maybe also already getting a bit complacent. I am pretty sure Amorim similar to Ferguson has very keen eye for detail and gives an enormous importance to character and personality of each player, the way they behave the way they live their life. He wants winners with winning mentality. I think only in case something is wrong here Garnacho is for sale. As he showed he is trying to adapt his game recently, his behavior on the pitch is better, his application is better he could be moulded in a good player for this system but it will not be a natural fit. On application side you can also pretend to do something better, apply defensive work rate better, something Rashford was a master of showing he was trying but in reality he really wasn't, he was only doing it for the cameras. But you can't hide that from elite manager and coaching staff. Let's see what comes out of it. Maybe it is all just a show for public that we are desperate for cash when we maybe aren't and are just trying to push incoming player prices down. Maybe Amorim was given an option that he needs to sell in order to buy and of players with value and unsuitability for his system Garnacho could fetch the most. Small pain for greater team gain. When all is said and done potential wise Garnacho doesn't give me elite level vibes. His finishing and football IQ will hinder him reaching elite heights. He will probably be a good player but not an elite one and as a club we should be able to recognize that if this is the case and sell such players when their value is high and try to find a better player with the money we get. It is as simple as that.
 
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He's not leaving until Summer at earliest

Napoli may have a few quid and be interested but why would we sell a player with huge potential and in better form (assist in last 2 games) leaving us very limited in attack. It would have to be an offer you couldn't refuse and after passing PSR we are talking a bit big fee

The elephant in the room is Rashford. Even at worst if we get a 5m loan fee and most of the wages paid it makes more sense.

Think he would tear up Italian league and a fresh start would be good for him, filling that hole left by Kvaratskhelia

By Summer we might decide he doesn't fit, there are underlying issue of a different nature then it's a different question
 
You could argue we sold Elanga too early. If we did the same with Garnacho and he realises his potential elsewhere we could really, really regret it.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Well he’s 20. And has been getting significant first team minutes for 2 and a half seasons now. So yeah we sort of know what type of player he is.

People are doing the same thing with Garnacho that they used to do with Rashford. Just endlessly citing age without factoring in actual top level experience. It’s not like Garnacho is still getting his feet wet and accustomed to playing PL football consistently
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Rashford is absolutely terrible example for the point you are trying to make. Rashford proved he had a high ceiling but was let down by his own mental fragility and catching the negativity in the United dressing room (and eventually embodying it). He may have also got affected by his back.
 
I believe it depends on three things

a- the fee. Anything below 55m-60m would be stupid
b- the player's disciplinary record. SAF got rid of players who were better then him for way cheaper then him (ex Keith Gillespie) cause they were trouble
c- Amorim's opinion on whether or not he can mold him in the player he wants him to be.
 
If Rashford is halfway out the door then it's important we keep Garnacho. We haven't really got much off the bench and his output is fairly good with goals and assists.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Wait we are counting community shield stats now?

And I don't "just want to criticise" our players at all, I'd prefer Garnacho was a world beater and we won the treble constantly. But I'm tired of rehashing this, my original point was always that people put too much value on our young/academy players to where they are never willing to sell any of them or accept that they might not be as good as you think.
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He turned 20 in July, Diallo turned 22 in July as well and is 2 years older than Garnacho. I suppose if someone offered you 40 million for Diallo last season while he was on loan at Sunderland you would of snapping there hand off.

Garnacho has all the qualities to be a world class player, at the moment he's not good enough to be starting week in week out for Man United and everyone knows this. Should be coming on in the 70th minute in games and get cup time.

Unfortunately that's where the club is at, not garnachos fault we spent 90 million on a flop like Anthony and have a lazy player in Rashford so thrown in at the deep end.
 
He is currently the 4th attacker at the club. It’s either Garnacho or Zirkzee as the first sub on in attack.

It’s just media bollocks at this stage, and once Rashford is gone then it will be Mainoo and Garnacho filling the column inches for the next few years.

Get used to it.
 
hobbers said:
I think it's pretty clear Garnacho and his entourage are fuming that he's only on a £50k a week contract that runs until 2028.

The old United would at this point be offering him £200k a week to kill these rumours, just as we did with Martial and Rashford.
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This is spot on for me. I believe that the one thing that needs to be managed is his ego.
 
I don’t think we should sell him, however if he was to be sold (£50M plus) I wouldn’t be too disappointed.
 
If there is a good offer, just take it. Garnacho is a old school winger and is very different. Amad is versatile where he can mixed his game whereas Garnacho is about taking on the defender. If Amorim doesn't see a need to such player then take the offer. We need different profile to play AM role. If there is 50 million pounds offer, I would take the money.
 
r0663664 said:
If there is a good offer, just take it. Garnacho is a old school winger and is very different. Amad is versatile where he can mixed his game whereas Garnacho is about taking on the defender. If Amorim doesn't see a need to such player then take the offer. We need different profile to play AM role. If there is 50 million pounds offer, I would take the money.
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IMO Amad is another level, has so much more to his game.
 
JJ12 said:
You could argue we sold Elanga too early. If we did the same with Garnacho and he realises his potential elsewhere we could really, really regret it.
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I don’t think Elanga was good enough for us, but I’m bloody annoyed we only got 15m for him. You think of some of the dross that goes for more than that nowadays.
 
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