Dorgu and Ayden Heaven, potentially Nkunku - which I'd be against unless it's in addition to keeping Garnacho.
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Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
There is no mystery 10.
I don't think Nkunku would be as well as Garnacho. I'd quite like that though.
This is spot on, we're a team lacking physicality, pace especially, all over the pitch. No matter who the coach is, it's a glaring weakness that needs addressing.
Looks like the interest has died down.
Fans will be up in arms had the move to Chelsea gone through. Ironically, both sets of fans from the looks of it
There were three ways this could have gone -
(a) no talk of transfers and he stays (my preferred option),
(b) talk of transfers and he's sold (what looked likely with Napoli/Chelsea), and
(c) lots of interest, talks, negotiations and bids but no final move away
(c) can end up destabilizing the player, though I don't know how else the club could have gone about things once they decided he was for sale to sort out our financial mess. Another problem with the strategy in the first place, though.
(a) no talk of transfers and he stays (my preferred option),
(b) talk of transfers and he's sold (what looked likely with Napoli/Chelsea), and
(c) lots of interest, talks, negotiations and bids but no final move away
(c) can end up destabilizing the player, though I don't know how else the club could have gone about things once they decided he was for sale to sort out our financial mess. Another problem with the strategy in the first place, though.
He may not be everyone's cup of tea right now, but giving on up on him so early is crazy. Like it or not he is a big part of why the last few months were not worse, with his goals and assists.
Find money elsewhere, selling him sets the entirely wrong tone for the future. He's clearly putting in the work, as the manager has brought him back in the fold big time.
Find money elsewhere, selling him sets the entirely wrong tone for the future. He's clearly putting in the work, as the manager has brought him back in the fold big time.
Yeah definitely got his head down more since being dropped for the City game
I hope Garnacho stays, and works his ass off
As I suspected
They’ve watched him play it seems.
They’ve watched him play it seems.
If they watched him play they would've surely seen that he's better than Mudryk/Neto/Madueke/Sancho?
Luckily it just looks like we are pricing him out of a move. Napoli and Chelsea wanted him for "reasonable money" which we are clearly asking for more.
It was a joke mate.
He is tier 1 for Chelsea though
IIRC Matt Law is quite reliable when it comes to Chelsea. And it does seem like talks about Garnacho to Chelsea have gone quiet now after it looked close to done deal just few days ago. If he does stay now, can still see us selling him come summer, whether to Napoli, Chelsea or somewhere else. One of few players (perhaps even only one) that can bring us big fee and enable signing a striker in summer.
He’s played quite well lately, I think. Especially against Rangers.
Would you go Gyokeres/Osimhen or look elsewhere for a striker just out of interest
It’s Matt Law
Is he tier one Chelsea because he’s a Chelsea fan or just a more reliable journalist? If anything, Garnacho value went up since Chelsea interest, so if he is a fan he’d likely spin that they aren’t interested anymore when reality is he’s too expensive for them to go for in January.
He's the most reliable journalist for Chelsea stuff
We all see it differently of course but he wasn't that great against Rangers or Fulham for me. Couple of good moments and chances created but not much more. Don't think it was kind of performances that would make people at Chelsea go and sign him asap.
My dream signing at ST is Isak but that's not happening. Even if Newcastle were to accept our offer it would be some huge fee that we can't afford given our financial issues and need to strengthen in other positions as well.
Not going to say I watched either of Gyokeres/Osimhen many times as I don't watch much of football outside of Premier League but both obviously seem to be real deal. 26/27 years old so reaching prime years and I'd prefer that over someone like Sesko who is still young. We need a 20+ goals a season striker, we haven't had that since RvP and 12/13 season. Gyokeres seems logical for his connection with Amorim and some of the signings from Sporting have been fantastic for us. Why Osimhen might have advantage is the fact his contract with Napoli expires in 2026, so should be cheaper than Gyokeres. Perhaps even a swap for Garnacho? Either of Gyokeres and Osimhen and we probably can't go wrong (unless there are some behaviour issues then we have to avoid). Is it bit odd that Osimhen went to Turkey in the end and not to some of the big clubs in top 5 leagues? Maybe not but we should be avoiding problematic characters.
Ruben accommodating him in a more comfortable wider role for me is a clear sign of the coach not wanting this lad to be sold. He doesn’t strike me as the flexible type when it comes to the formation so Garnacho playing wide and Maz playing more centrally is a good indicator.
Good point. I've been on the fence on selling him but I think I'm leaning towards not doing it. Him and Rashford were the two who were dropped for the City game, Amorim presumably challenged them to sort out their attitudes.
I'm assuming that the reason Garnacho is back in the side, with as you say, Amorim slightly tweaking the system to get more out of him, is because he's done what Amorim wanted him to do when he and Rashford both got dropped and sorted himself out.
Now what kind of message would it be to sell a young player who's done what was asked of him the first chance you get? And imagine if Garnacho was the one sold and Rashford stays...so we're getting rid of the kid who's put in the effort and the senior player who has said he's "ready for a new challenge" stays,
Keep in mind we have no other options right now. I reckon Mount will be ahead when he returns. If he returns.
Signing Dorgu and limiting him to being tucked inside also seems unlikely to me. I think this is Amorim being flexible, but in the long run he’ll be looking for a player to perform that role better.
Adeyemi has turned Napoli down.
65m for Garnacho coming up. Hope we don't sell him, he is clearly giving his all..
We won't sell him for 65m
Yes we would
Would be absolutely crazy to sell now, we need his threat more than ever now. One of the only players who can create and score.
Great point
Exactly. With few days left in the window we would be crazy to sell as we won’t have time to bring someone else in. Unless they have already lined someone up of course, but I don’t see who is available who could make a positive difference to our attack
He’s like a new signing. Im very happy that it seems he stays. He’s been brilliant the past few games.
There is no way we can sell him in January. We already need a Rashford replacement, we are not getting two players in if we sell Garnacho too.
Yeah, RA won’t accommodate if Garnacho isn’t pulling is weight in training or showing the right attitude. And agree with you 100%, selling Garnacho now just sends off the wrong signals. Think the rest of the squad, let alone the academy kids, will really be disturbed.
Mount would be great in that role but given he is almost never available…
And I meant that Garnacho won’t be sold in Jan. It’s up to the kid to be open to being trained in that number 10 role and make it here at United. Because long term, that’s how RA wants to play. But we definitely should be offloading the high earning non-performers before even considering selling Garnacho.
And we should be asking for more. We always get rinsed for players. If we value Garnacho at 60m which I think is a reasonable price given his potential and age then that’s what we should hold out for. We need to get back to being powerhouses in the market and not walk overs.
I feel this transfer talk started when Garnacho and/or his agent got upset at him being left out of the squad for the City game & sounded out to suitors. I think mends have been made since with Garnacho putting his head down and working with Amorim but the initial sound out made clubs discuss the transfer. I'd be super surprised if he was on the move.
Wild considering both clubs corresponding current standing
As far as I know, Ruben is quite a flexible coach tactically within his basic framework for 3-4-3. For example, he spoke about creating solutions for Rashford too when it was clear he isn't a #9 and next time paired him with Zirkzee to play off him.
He's going nowhere.