Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

I wouldn't feel so disappointed about him potentially leaving if we had a deal in place for someone, however there is absolutely nothing concrete on replacements. Like one of the above posters has said there isn't much time to find one now anyway.
 
croadyman said:
I wouldn't feel so disappointed about him potentially leaving if we had a deal in place for someone, however there is absolutely nothing concrete on replacements. Like one of the above posters has said there isn't much time to find one now anyway.
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The whole thing is bizarre to me.

Antony is gone and we're looking to offload Rashford and Garnacho, and there's 4 days left of the window.

If we're letting 3 attacking players leave, surely the whole point is to make room for quality players coming in. We should have at least 2 quality attackers lined up but there's barely been a credible link on that front.
 
Dominos said:
The whole thing is bizarre to me.

Antony is gone and we're looking to offload Rashford and Garnacho, and there's 4 days left of the window.

If we're letting 3 attacking players leave, surely the whole point is to make room for quality players coming in. We should have at least 2 quality attackers lined up but there's barely been a credible link on that front.
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There's a week left in the window, agreed otherwise
 
Dominos said:
The whole thing is bizarre to me.

Antony is gone and we're looking to offload Rashford and Garnacho, and there's 4 days left of the window.

If we're letting 3 attacking players leave, surely the whole point is to make room for quality players coming in. We should have at least 2 quality attackers lined up but there's barely been a credible link on that front.
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Whats worse is we've loaned out our older youth attacking products, so I really can't figure out who can step up if we do let Garnacho and Rashford go
 
I'm in two minds about Garnacho leaving. It's clear that he is trying. He helps out in defense more, goes outside instead of cutting in more and even helped create last night's goal. But then you see that he still often loses the ball trying to one touch pass, didn't see a clear run of Hojlund and made that stupid decision to flick the ball when he could've just controlled it when we had a lot of space to attack.

I want to think that the bad decision making will go away as he matures. But I thought the same of Rashford and that didn't happen. I want to give him another season with Amorim but our financial woes may not allow us the 'luxury' of keeping a 20 year old. It's just an extremely shitty situation.

TLDR; feck the Glazers.
 
Shark said:
I don't think he's leaving, Ruben clearly rates him and he's not somebody you want to piss off right now even as an owner.
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Uh? Why? He's been here 3 months and so far the team has been arguably even worse than it was under Ten Hag. Why would they give a feck about pissing off their flailing employee?

From the outside, it seems like Garnacho might be sold because you need the money. So whatever Amorim might think is irrelevant, because you need the money
 
giorno said:
Uh? Why? He's been here 3 months and so far the team has been arguably even worse than it was under Ten Hag. Why would they give a feck about pissing off their flailing employee?

From the outside, it seems like Garnacho might be sold because you need the money. So whatever Amorim might think is irrelevant, because you need the money
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The reasons why we are poor now actually make sense and are more consistent because Amorim isn't setting us up to play ping pong. His identification of problems with our personnel and usage of the squad is more rational, despite trying to install a system that is foreign and ill-suited to much of the squad, something he was transparent about being an issue if he were to take over the team mid-season which is why he wanted to wait until after the season.

I don't think the decision should be left to him solely, but if he is telling you Garnacho can adapt and be an impact player that does warrant consideration as well as presenting to him what options we could bring in the January market to strengthen if he were to sanction a sale of Garnacho.
 
AR87 said:
I don't think the decision should be left to him solely, but if he is telling you Garnacho can adapt and be an impact player that does warrant consideration as well as presenting to him what options we could bring in the January market to strengthen if he were to sanction a sale of Garnacho.
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Sure and i'm sure that is the case. It still doesn't change the fact that if you need to sell a player because you have financial problems, you do it. Amorim will either understand, or not, the only thing that changes is his own position. And he's not a SAF or a Guardiola, he doesn't have infinite credit due to past success, he has shown nothing to indicate he should be someone the club should bend over backwards to keep happy
 
giorno said:
Sure and i'm sure that is the case. It still doesn't change the fact that if you need to sell a player because you have financial problems, you do it. Amorim will either understand, or not, the only thing that changes is his own position. And he's not a SAF or a Guardiola, he doesn't have infinite credit due to past success, he has shown nothing to indicate he should be someone the club should bend over backwards to keep happy
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I didn't suggest the club bend over backwards to keep him happy nor did I suggest the club do so. What I said is you present him with options and get his feedback in terms of what's available to him if we sell Garnacho (as well as other loans/sales), versus what our realities are in terms of being able to add to the squad in our current financial position.

If he's saying full stop, don't sell Garnacho, the club shouldn't listen to that, which I don't believe they are. I think they've set a valuation which they feel represent value and if it's met they will sell him and have players at positions Amorim wants strengthened that suit our squad's needs. I also believe they will at least bring in an LWB regardless since our pursuit of Dorgu reportedly isn't contingent on any further sales after loaning Antony out.

Clearly Amorim seems to rate Garnacho to some degree and I think the club have taken that into consideration, thus setting the value they have for him. That seems reasonable (contingent on them using funds raised to strength the squad if a sale does get made).
 
Barely any interest in him and short on time to reinvest the money, so he probably stays till summer now I think.

Hopefully he improves a lot and fits in, because otherwise I can see him becoming another player we have to accept isn’t worth what we believe he is and sell at a much lower price down the line.
 
AR87 said:
I didn't suggest the club bend over backwards to keep him happy nor did I suggest the club do so. What I said is you present him with options and get his feedback in terms of what's available to him if we sell Garnacho (as well as other loans/sales), versus what our realities are in terms of being able to add to the squad in our current financial position.

If he's saying full stop, don't sell Garnacho, the club shouldn't listen to that, which I don't believe they are. I think they've set a valuation which they feel represent value and if it's met they will sell him and have players at positions Amorim wants strengthened that suit our squad's needs. I also believe they will at least bring in an LWB regardless since our pursuit of Dorgu reportedly isn't contingent on any further sales after loaning Antony out.

Clearly Amorim seems to rate Garnacho to some degree and I think the club have taken that into consideration, thus setting the value they have for him. That seems reasonable (contingent on them using funds raised to strength the squad if a sale does get made).
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Yes, I agree with all of that. My point is rather that this doesn't appear to be a situation where Amorim gets to tell the club what to do, regardless of what he'd want ideally
 
Dominos said:
The whole thing is bizarre to me.

Antony is gone and we're looking to offload Rashford and Garnacho, and there's 4 days left of the window.

If we're letting 3 attacking players leave, surely the whole point is to make room for quality players coming in. We should have at least 2 quality attackers lined up but there's barely been a credible link on that front.
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What difference does it make now? The season is a write-off. What's the point in rushing to sign players in January?
 
Lentwood said:
What difference does it make now? The season is a write-off. What's the point in rushing to sign players in January?
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We need to win the Europa league. We may struggle in the Champions league next season but it will give us a valuable cash injection for players for Amorim.
 
NZT-One said:
As if they wouldn't look dreadful right now. Our attack looks abysmal and we create next to nothing. What are you afraid of would happen, if we lose Garnacho? Score negative goals? There is just one serious danger about any Garnacho deal - that we fail to re-invest the money well. Everything else is just 2nd priority. Look at how we play, we deserve to be in the table where we are. To get out of this rut, we need to invest into the squad and for this, we have to sell players.

I am glad seeing people that got this. I would rather not selling talented youngsters, I really don't but the status quo is, that most of the starting lineup doesn't look like they have a future with us. We have to invest heavily, completely independent on who the manager is. People act as if Garnacho was incredible at any point in time. Truth is he is a moments player and always has been. No shame in that, he is young but that also means he is one of the few people we at least have the chance to generate funds with
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No-one is saying Garnacho is a young Ronaldo rebrand, but you need numbers and options.
We've cleared out wingers in a manner Van Gaal would have been pleased with, so unless you think Hojlund, Amad and Bruno can play the 25 games of the season left, we need options and Garnacho is still a promising player.
 
Dolf said:
Who cares that he is not suited for this system. He is 20 years old. He could have another 13 seasons at united. We probably won’t be playing this system in 1-2 years.
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Agree. We don't want to do a Van Gaal and clear out all the wingers and then in his next breath say "hang on, I don't have any wingers", when realising that this system depends solely on getting superb transfers in.
Something we've not done in a decade.
 
Sandikan said:
No-one is saying Garnacho is a young Ronaldo rebrand, but you need numbers and options.
We've cleared out wingers in a manner Van Gaal would have been pleased with, so unless you think Hojlund, Amad and Bruno can play the 25 games of the season left, we need options and Garnacho is still a promising player.
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I agree that if we move Garnacho on, we need to also bring in an attacker and not just Dorgu.
 
Devil81 said:
We need to win the Europa league. We may struggle in the Champions league next season but it will give us a valuable cash injection for players for Amorim.
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We all hope but is it realistic? I doubt it, as we improve in slow motion and the games will come fast again for a depleted, thin squad (in terms of quality and fitness)
 
Escobar said:
We all hope but is it realistic? I doubt it, as we improve in slow motion and the games will come fast again for a depleted, thin squad (in terms of quality and fitness)
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Keep saying this and also heard Jamie Redknapp say it yesterday on Sky. There is a huge lack of quality in the Europa league this season, whilst it won't be easy we have to hope we get the luck of the draw and the better sides don't.

If we can improve and start grinding out results then we have to be within a small group of favourites. Look at Spurs on Thursday, beating a German side yet they can't buy a win in our league.
 
Dolf said:
Who cares that he is not suited for this system. He is 20 years old. He could have another 13 seasons at united. We probably won’t be playing this system in 1-2 years.
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Regardless of if Amorim is here or not (i believe he will be) we will definitely be playing this system, or a derivative of it. This is how the hierarchy want to play from now on and we’ll sign players and managers to suit it
 
UnitedSofa said:
Regardless of if Amorim is here or not (i believe he will be) we will definitely be playing this system, or a derivative of it. This is how the hierarchy want to play from now on and we’ll sign players and managers to suit it
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There really isn't any indication for that
 
Devil81 said:
Keep saying this and also heard Jamie Redknapp say it yesterday on Sky. There is a huge lack of quality in the Europa league this season, whilst it won't be easy we have to hope we get the luck of the draw and the better sides don't.

If we can improve and start grinding out results then we have to be within a small group of favourites. Look at Spurs on Thursday, beating a German side yet they can't buy a win in our league.
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A huge lack in quality and we currently fit right in. If we dont improve drastically, we will not win that thing, no way.
 
I’m sorry but this is bollocks, we’ve already bid twice and about to bid for a third time for Dorgu

 
Dolf said:
Who cares that he is not suited for this system. He is 20 years old. He could have another 13 seasons at united. We probably won’t be playing this system in 1-2 years.
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Garna is best suited as an out and out winger, and is better on the right, where Amad plays, I understand where you are coming from and if finances were not an issue I would say the hell with it keep him, but in reality Amorim is here until probably mid next season even if things are really bad, likelihood it will be at least a couple of years hopefully more, in which case the likelihood that Garna will become a fringe player, his contract runs to 2028, the reality is his value will drop or we will have to try get him to sign a new contract which will mean a wage hike if he even wants to stay if playing as a fringe player

Bottom line unless Amorim is gone by this time next year Garna will be on the bench and his value will drop, if we are going to sell at some point then now or the summer will be when his value is at its highest
 
How about we keep Garnacho and bring back the kid from Benfica. Lecce can then go and lay down for Napoli when they offer them 15m for Dorgu.
 
Devil81 said:
We need to win the Europa league. We may struggle in the Champions league next season but it will give us a valuable cash injection for players for Amorim.
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We don't have a chance of winning the Europa League if we're consistently struggling against teams like West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle and Forest.

This season was dead the moment we started it with EtH. When the wheels inevitably fell off, it was always going to be about planning for next season.
 
Posh Red said:
I don’t know who provided the information to the journalist, but fair play.
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Of course I have no way of knowing and am merely speculating, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Can't really imagine Amorim, while playing him all the time since the window opened, is the one pushing Garnacho out
 
hellhunter said:
Of course I have no way of knowing and am merely speculating, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Can't really imagine Amorim, while playing him all the time since the window opened, is the one pushing Garnacho out
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He hasn’t even be sold at this point, so I don’t see what blame is being shifted.
 
hellhunter said:
Of course I have no way of knowing and am merely speculating, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Can't really imagine Amorim, while playing him all the time since the window opened, is the one pushing Garnacho out
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hellhunter said:
Call it setting the narrative. Selling Garnacho would be on Amorim just as not buying reinforcements would be
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Not at all, it’s more like owners being like we can get x amount for him and we’re happy to sell him if he is not a part of your plans.

Nothing like shifting blame or anything like that at all.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Not at all, it’s more like owners being like we can get x amount for him and we’re happy to sell him if he is not a part of your plans.

Nothing like shifting blame or anything like that at all.
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That’s how I read it too. But, in fairness, the manager has been selecting him more lately. I’m wondering whether it’s his way of saying that he would prefer to keep him.
 
Posh Red said:
For all those who kept harping on about how this was the boards decision, and over Amorim’s head; etc.
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There’s no chance we’ve gone this far down the rabbit-hole without anyone already asking Amorim if he would prefer to retain Garnacho or have funds for the last week of the transfer window. Either Amorim has already green-lit the move or his view isn’t important.
 
Doracle said:
There’s no chance we’ve gone this far down the rabbit-hole without anyone already asking Amorim if he would prefer to retain Garnacho or have funds for the last week of the transfer window. Either Amorim has already green-lit the move or his view isn’t important.
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I don’t really see it as that black and white, though. Obviously factors like the scale of the fee are relevant too.
 
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