Yeah this is my read too if that tweet is true. So not a financial issues, but purely a technical one
don't see how you sell him now that being the case. Not enough time for replacements, it would need a truly ridiculous offer to get it done
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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don't see how you sell him now that being the case. Not enough time for replacements, it would need a truly ridiculous offer to get it done
We've still got europa and FA cup to play for.
If we're not in a rush to sign, we're also not in a rush to sell/loan surely. May as well sell in the summer.
I think we are stronger keeping Garnacho and sticking as we are than selling him and getting Dorgu in now.
If those are the only changes, and that's what it looks like, it's hard to disagree
Garnacho is talented player, a ball carrier (which you can tell from his progressive ball stats), has great off ball movement and position (on eye test, you can see that he always in the right position in dangerous area to score/assist), and his quality delivery is good but his poor decision making what makes his delivery looks bad. For his weak points, he doesn’t have closed control dribbling ability, physically still weak (this can improve), and has clumsiness in retaining possession (he tends to give the ball away cheaply). He is a winger who cannot play as wingback and we are playing no 10 and wingback formation with no wingers. Although, he’s still young and can still develop to be L10 but it will take time with no guarantee he can develop into L10 for us. Overall, he has great assets but also weak points, which I think the club should be open to sell him if the good price comes.
We should only sell him in January if selling him actually allows us to sign a regular striker and a regular midfielder in January. Gyokeres & may be Ederson. Apart from wingback, our no 9 spot and box to box midfielder spot are also our weak points at the moment.
We should only sell him in January if selling him actually allows us to sign a regular striker and a regular midfielder in January. Gyokeres & may be Ederson. Apart from wingback, our no 9 spot and box to box midfielder spot are also our weak points at the moment.
with only a few days left, there is no chance of Gyokeres or Ederson joining us.
Yes that’s what I believe. He won’t be here in 2 years.
We need too many players to make his system work. If he doesn’t make top 6 next season, after 3 transfer windows, the pressure will be on.
I think INEOS has now spotted that the club has bought a lot of players who are neither quick nor physically strong over the past few years. Prioritising stronger faster players in future will significantly improve our prospects both with Amorim and, in the event he leaves, someone else. It's not about his system - we were being out run and out muscled before.
I'm not sure about Dorgu but it seems from what I've read one of the main reasons for going for him is that he's a beast who is strong on the ball and can run up and down all day.
He won’t leave this window now IMO
Just doesn’t seem enough time.
Just doesn’t seem enough time.
He is young and learning. Mistakes are to be expected. He is knuckling down and listening to the manger, that's all that matters.
Not necessarily...I would sell whenever good offers come in. Who knows what might happen...managers change, clubs sign other targets, player gets injured, players' form completely falls away etc...
If Chelsea want to pay us £60m for Garnacho, I'll take him down to London tomorrow. He's not a bad player but he's currently very one-dimensional and we need that money!
I can see this scenario playing out too sadly.
Imagine what state the squad will be in for the next manager though! You're basically having to go for a Conte or Tuchel.
Based on recent displays, I’ve softened a bit on my stance of selling him being an absolutely terrible idea. I still think it’s a bad idea, and absolutely disastrous if there are no incoming attacking options in the current transfer window.
But seeing Mazraoui feck around at #10 so that Garnacho can stay wide during our attacks, but then Maz having to sprint back and out wide when the ball is turned over so he can cover at wingback, it’s not ideal, is it? I like that Amorim is tweaking to work with what he has, but it’s essentially saying Garnacho for now cannot do the full job of either a wingback or a #10, and we’re working around that. Couple that with the fact that we have no money, and it starts to somehow kind of make a little bit of sense.
I am also in the minority on this forum who doesn’t think that the ideal transfer strategy is to stack the team with 20 year olds. We miss a few more mature players who have become consistent and can be relied upon to deliver solid performances week in, week out.
So under the right circumstances, and for the right money, and with the right replacement in mind, I can see this making sense.
But seeing Mazraoui feck around at #10 so that Garnacho can stay wide during our attacks, but then Maz having to sprint back and out wide when the ball is turned over so he can cover at wingback, it’s not ideal, is it? I like that Amorim is tweaking to work with what he has, but it’s essentially saying Garnacho for now cannot do the full job of either a wingback or a #10, and we’re working around that. Couple that with the fact that we have no money, and it starts to somehow kind of make a little bit of sense.
I am also in the minority on this forum who doesn’t think that the ideal transfer strategy is to stack the team with 20 year olds. We miss a few more mature players who have become consistent and can be relied upon to deliver solid performances week in, week out.
So under the right circumstances, and for the right money, and with the right replacement in mind, I can see this making sense.
Are we really gonna sell him with a week to go and potentially no replacement in? We may aswell keep him and wait till the summer to sign and sell players. At least Garnacho as been professional and listened to Amorim. He’s willing to learn his new role. Our biggest threat the past few games
I really don't believe either the player or manager want him to leave. I think it's a club decision - I'm hoping as you said, that there is a 'too late' and we don't sell him without an immediate replacement lined up. We'd become even weaker.
There's still a week left
Can't disagree though, timing makes a departure fairly unlikely now
I still don’t understand how any serious manager will allow the sale of Garnacho this window.
How are we going to create any chances except he brings Rashford back.
It will only leave us With Amad as a genuine attacking option.
This is so short sighted and I just can’t fathom it
Sell him in 6 months time if you must as we’ve got a very thin squad as it is.
How are we going to create any chances except he brings Rashford back.
It will only leave us With Amad as a genuine attacking option.
This is so short sighted and I just can’t fathom it
Sell him in 6 months time if you must as we’ve got a very thin squad as it is.
It has just gone quiet the last few days after quite a bit of noise at the time.
Can't disagree though, timing makes a departure fairly unlikely now
I reckon this is off.
It's probably too late to buy a replacement now unless we panic buy which would be a mistake.
So he stays until the summer at least.
So he stays until the summer at least.
Not a big day?
Is there anybody left claiming Amorim wants Garnacho out?
Worse case scenario we sell Garnacho and then loan Nkunku. This place and OT would go mental. Garnacho is going to become a star… Amorim can make him one
I don’t understand the reference
We need to use this time to get the remaining players acquainted on the new system and improving their confidence. The more dysfunctional our team is, more difficult it is to achieve our goals. Why then the rush to sell players in january too, we can wait it out summer when we probably will have more clubs with higher budgets.
Hope you are right on that
I've been reiterating the same point over and over again.
The circumstances / conditions INEOS created for Amorim are the type of symptoms a middle eastern occupied ownership is able to solve with drastic change in such a condensed period of time.
INEOS don't possess the ownership ideals or model with attempting to balancing the books and resolve the misfortunes of Woodwards / Murtough's foolishness from window to window, it warrants an approach that requires an experienced coach who can get the best out of an average bunch. Provisionally someone of the profile of Tuchel would have been the effective choice with these parameters. I don't see how the more visionary approach of Amorim will warrant success given the rubbish stack of cards he's been dealt with to curate a winning hand from.
It's also not a slight against Amorim or his credentials, but rather his superiors (Berrada, Wilcox, Jim) not having the foresight to be more objective considering the transition of his management. The silence from the hierarchy since his arrival for me signifies their anticipation that his short tenure would have been far more successive, hence hiring him mid season to commence change.
It is just absolutely wild that this club could buy Sancho for £75m, Mount for £60m and Antony for £80m... and yet we're considering selling Garnacho (at 20) for £50m...
I detest the jokers who run our club. I despise all of them. There is no use us 'getting money in' for any player when we'll pay more for Garnacho's replacement and we have zero track record in ten years of buying cheaper replacements who actually turned out better than the player they replaced.
I detest the jokers who run our club. I despise all of them. There is no use us 'getting money in' for any player when we'll pay more for Garnacho's replacement and we have zero track record in ten years of buying cheaper replacements who actually turned out better than the player they replaced.
We’re not selling Garnacho, calm your horses people.
Imagine selling him in Jan? Who we playing then? The reserves? Relax.
Imagine selling him in Jan? Who we playing then? The reserves? Relax.
Yeah, his part in the team and the squad shouldn’t be in question. Amorim has clearly shown you don’t even get on the bench if you are not in his plans.
Which is a good sign! as I don’t want him to be sold.
We would sign someone if we sold him.
It feels like Amorim is proving a point to the owners by playing Garnacho every match - he clearly doesn't want him to be sold.
Too late for Jan.
He’ll be here until summer when the squad will be reassessed. We would have targets by then for replacements and an idea who’s leaving and coming.
Fabulous way to manage assets. Get rid of one of our good young players and then scramble for some shit deal last week of January.
It’s unlikely yeah but not impossible.
I feel like he is also proving a point to Rashford. Garnacho got his head down and focused on his football and trying to fit in to Amorims system. Amorim is showing Rashford what happens when you actually work hard instead of sulking and crying to the media.
It’s possible to work on multiple things at once.
What's that got to do with what I've said?
You think there's somebody we've been working on all of January that journalists aren't aware of?
Laurie Whitwell said that we are working on other things so yes.