No chance United could afford to do this with the money, especially if you expect a potential top-level CF.
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No chance United could afford to do this with the money, especially if you expect a potential top-level CF.
Well then selling Garnacho is plain idiotic
I think everyone would prefer that option, but unfortunately it appears not to be an option at all.
As I said above, Ineos can feck off if they sell Garnacho now and replace him with Patrick Dorgu.
Will be a shame to move him on. His application and effort levels impressed me last night. worked his balls off.
In an ideal world with a squad full of players and no PSR constraints we would keep hold and see if he can kick on, but reality bites, another way of looking at it is we purchased for £500k and if we sell will probably do so for north of £50m, posters are constantly saying this is a practice we should be following
The thing is it IS an option but Ineos refuse that option, Dortmund haven’t bothered with Rashford because we won’t pay some of his wages as we’re apparently ‘relaxed about the situation’ but if we had say agreed to pay a third of his wages we’d be saving around £250K a week.
It’s the same with Casemiro, his wages put people off on top of a fee but if we’d paid some of his wages for the remaining 18 months we’d have him off our books and would save money, we’re literally doing it with Antony with Betis where we’re saving around £3 million over the rest of the season.
Hypothetically say we pay £100K of both Rashford’s and Casemiro’s wages that’s around £2 million a month saved which over the rest of the season so around £11 million for the rest of the season which added to Antony’s £3 million is the same more or less of Alvaro’s buy back clause which gives us a left footed left wing back whilst Andre Silva who’s an experienced and decent striker is available on loan.
It’s almost as if Ineos are as blind or arrogant to the problems as the fecking Glazer’s are and their vision is horribly short term outside of the stadium plans, much like keeping Martial and Shaw around for so long and relying on them to remain fit without bringing in replacements we’re doing the same in hoping Rashford will find form once reintegrated in February after not moving him on whilst selling Garnacho who’s the better long term investment for us.
Doesn't he also play in Sancho's best position on the left side of attack?
My point was we are the only ones looking at him as if he can become world class. Other clubs/fans aren’t. He could become a good player and maybe he doesn’t. But the club also needs money now and he doesn’t really seems to fit Amorim’s formation or way of playing. Because of his potential we can get a lot of money for him now. Maybe in a couple of years you get less, or maybe more. But we need money now.
Don't want him to go anywhere. Hope he tells both INEOS and Chelsea to feck off.
I was talking about those players being back up until the summer, I think all 4 could be sold in Summer 2025.
I repeat we should only sell Garnaucho if it allows a complete overhaul of our attacking options, I know it’s a long shot but if we could get rid of Rashford, Garnaucho and Antony this January and get Osimhen, Cunha and young English prospect like Tyler Dybling, I would consider that to be great business, and then we can look at 1/2 more in the summer, we are so broke as an attacking unit we must make radical changes !
In my opinion, selling Gernacho to Chelsea will be one of the most stupidest decisions the club have ever made.
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Why do so many people think we are replacing Garnacho with Dorgu? Dorgu is obviously someone we want to buy regardless what happens with Garnacho.
Yeah but according to the Caf he’s crap and Garnacho is actually worth at least that much.
Mainly because we're not being linked to anyone else. At least there my reason. Of course transfers happened out of the blue, but it's not a regular occurrence for us
He is perhaps (bar Amad now) the most direct player we have.
The problem is, he is highly inefficient right now. I Was trying to check old Rashford videos to ascertain how closely he emulates the young Marcus qualities (or issues).
Thus he is often frustrating.
At this point of time, he isn't a £70-80m player. The price tag is largely a prediction of his ceiling that people consider is still high. He is 21, some players grow to their ceiling when they#'re 24-26. He still has a long to go - his passing / crossing is suspect, his dribbling isnt top notch.
The problem isnt Nacho. Any top quality team should have a few young players in and around the first team. The problem is how we expect him to be a world beater now. He isnt. I think i saw a stat somewhere that suggests he has the highest %age of loosing the ball when he attempts to dribble pass a player.
So it all goes back to this:
The problem is, he is highly inefficient right now. I Was trying to check old Rashford videos to ascertain how closely he emulates the young Marcus qualities (or issues).
Thus he is often frustrating.
At this point of time, he isn't a £70-80m player. The price tag is largely a prediction of his ceiling that people consider is still high. He is 21, some players grow to their ceiling when they#'re 24-26. He still has a long to go - his passing / crossing is suspect, his dribbling isnt top notch.
The problem isnt Nacho. Any top quality team should have a few young players in and around the first team. The problem is how we expect him to be a world beater now. He isnt. I think i saw a stat somewhere that suggests he has the highest %age of loosing the ball when he attempts to dribble pass a player.
So it all goes back to this:
- Having Nacho as starting LW - LAM is probably going to cost us points because he is still young. He might pan out, he might grow and become a Nani type of player. He could also turn out to be Adnan.
- Selling Nacho for £60-70m would allow us to probably reinvest in a more 'serviceable now' kind of player. Personally i'd exchange him for that Cherkri guy + £30m in the put to get us a LWB. You'd turn one frustrating but promising player, to perhaps 2. We wills till be shit but we're diversifying our assets.
- We need to stop expecting young players to perform week in week out. The quality of our squad is bad right now and with inexperience come problems. Be patient people.
I'm ready.
For Garnacho he is the victim of Amorim's system. Dorgu a left footer would be replacing Dalot as LWB, then someone like Bruno or Mount would be playing left side of the attack like usual this season.
Last night Garnacho played left side 10 and Bruno was put back as one of the two central midfielders. Usually Bruno would be playing where Garnacho is, at least on paper.
For Garnacho to stay he'd have to play as a left 10 or LWB. Both Rashford and Garnacho don't fit the managers plans and are just optional subs and useful for games like last night. Garnacho would have to oust Bruno from his left 10 position. Bruno would have to be alongside Ugarte.
The bad thing is if Amorim is gone and we go back to a 4213 which really suits Bruno central behind a front line of say Garnacho wide left. Fans like to see attacking players like him but Amorim calls for a Bruno/Mount Eriksen either side of a CF and robust LWB/RWB that cover a lot of ground up and down the pitch that Garnacho/Rashford are not going to favour and would rather be elsewhere.
It's weirdly funny that only new members (mostly) are advocating here for him to stay. Chelsea fans don't even want him.
Not even close to true
Did you take a moment to check or nah?
Not proud of it, but been in here arguing against the sale for a while now, I've seen the people arguing both sides
He is the only player we are being linked with, the window closes in one week, about 50% of the fee we get for Garnacho is going straight on Dorgu and United are short of cash and struggling to comply with PSR.
While United will no doubt look at getting another attacking player in the summer, it is reasonable to assume at this stage that if Garnacho leaves, he won't be replaced in this window.
Yeah but Sancho is shit in fairness so understand why Chelsea are looking for alternatives
I actually think they do have space for him. Mudryk has a drugs ban hanging over him and one of Felix/Nkunku could leave.
They potentially have these options, most of which can cover multiple positions.
LW: Sancho and Garnacho
CAM: Palmer and Felix
RW: Madueke and Neto
Our attack is one of the worst in the league. If we had a functioning attack that could actually score it would compensate for the fact we have brainfarts happening across the defence. Now the club are considering selling one of the only players we have that at least looks like a threat and contributes goals and who has the potential to become better with time and good coaching. It is almost like INEOS want us to be relegated.
Does that really man he's good enough though? Our standards are so low that we are praising what is nothing more than decent performances, with a handleful of great games and the rest poor/average.
If we had money and a functioning team then of course we should keep him, but we don't and we need to improve with quality far beyond Garnacho.
The only way we improve our team in January is by selling Garnacho (and even then we have left it incredibly late).
He was one of the best players on the pitch last night. How the mighty has fallen.
I think selling Garbanzo to Chelsea would be a masterstroke.
Dorgu would replace Dalot as LWB for most games. Bruno or this type of player would be where Garnacho was last night for most games, it's where Bruno starts most games now. Last night Bruno was moved back into central midfield so Garna could start. It's the reason why we're selling as Amorim will want a Mount/Bruno/Eriksen type on the left front in a first choice 11 for most games. Rashford/Garna become redundant unless they want to stay being a sub or play lesser games.
Yeah, Dibling is not the answer.
Seems like it’s edging closer which is really disappointing.
For £60 million to Chelsea, we’ve essentially swapped him for Mount.
What does £60 million even get you thesedays?
For £60 million to Chelsea, we’ve essentially swapped him for Mount.
What does £60 million even get you thesedays?
Other club would be asking 100mln for him. And why we are even selling him? Honestly it doesn't makes sense at all. One of the brightest talents we have. He has goals in him and is only 20 years old.
Well it is 60m of pure profit due to being an academy player. 60m can be recorded on the balance sheet in one amount.
But buying one player costing 60m will be amortized over 5 years at a cost of 12m a year. Which would be 48m profit on the books for year 1.
This is why clubs like Chelsea can spend so much and not breach PSR.
The club could spend 50m on 3 players and spread it over 5 years, thus the Garnacho money would cover the cost of 3 players for the first 2 years.
I have no problem keeping Garnacho as squad player, I also do not mind selling him. What I don't trust is how the club can find a replacement that is better, given the track record of our recent purchases.
Disappointing if this happens. One of the few attacking threats we have in the squad.
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