Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

[DavelinaJolie]

I’m not sure I agree with this. We at least have some sort of transfer strategy with Ineos, where we’ve been buying young players ahead of their rise so we don’t end up forking out when they’re great. It’s something we’ve been screaming for the club to do for years.

Not long ago our transfer strategy was to buy shirt sellers. That’s it.

Yes we’ve made some shite signings under Ten Hag, but it does feel like that’s all changing. We’re not just going for anyone now. We’re the worst we’ve ever been at the moment but oddly I still feel there’s a bit more of a plan under INEOS than there ever has been since Ferige retired.

Absolutely. I don't have a problem buying young players at lower prices as the big issues of this last decade have been overpaying for aging players and giving them big contracts. Or just massively overpaying anyway.

If our strategy is geared towards young, up and coming players at costs and on contracts that mean they are sellable if it doesn't pan out, and having enough shots to get enough right, I'm good with that. We will still need to avoid Hojlund cost type signings,

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Absolutely the same. People point to Liverpool selling Sterling, under different circumstances, but willfully forget they replaced him with Benteke and finished 8th. The argument of money to spend is only valid if you believe in the people spending it

They then got a new structure, sold Coutinho, brought Van Dijk and Allison and won the Champions League.

 

[MaMa given red]

Those Chelsea fans know their stuff you have to say. Spot on, all of those quotes.

I play football with lads that support a range of different teams and none of them rate Garnacho. I think it's only really some United fans that rate him.

It's quite telling that we've made him available and the only interest comes from a low ball Napoli offer and Chelsea who will buy any young players.

 

[hellhunter]

They then got a new structure, sold Coutinho, brought Van Dijk and Allison and won the Champions League.

And got silly money. Which Chelsea aren't offering

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I play football with lads that support a range of different teams and none of them rate Garnacho. I think it's only really some United fans that rate him.

To be fair unless our players are obscenely undeniably good then opposition fans will rarely rate them.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

And got silly money. Which Chelsea aren't offering

Seems like we could get pretty close to 70m which is silly money but that isn't the point. Clubs are not bound to buy terribly and if you think we are then we may as well not change anything about the squad since it's doomed to fail.

 

[horsechoker]

I'd feel a lot better about the transfer if I knew who we were bringing in.

 

[bringbackbebe]

Meanwhile at the Shed End (Chelsea fan forum)…
Very rare that you'll get a transfer where the fans of the selling club don't want him to go and the fans of the buying club don't want him.

If I'm looking for a positive (other than annoying Man Utd fans) is that there's certainly talent there, and United are a club where you could put almost any player in their team and they'd look average to sh*t so who knows, put him in our team and he might look a lot better.

It's natural. He cost us nothing and is a good promising talent. Best case, he gets to a world class player level. Worse case he becomes a backup player. Neither are bad for us IMHO. For Chelsea though, it's an outlay of 60m + a huge wage outlay - so it's natural they don't want to risk on him having burnt their fingers with so many random transfers.

 

[hellhunter]

I'd feel a lot better about the transfer if I knew who we were bringing in.

With a week and some change left in the window, don't hold your breath

 

[Hoof the ball]

The Shed End called him The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez

 

[Eugenius]

I think some of them have a more realistic view of Garnacho than a lot of us have.

It's not even that. At worst Garnacho at 20 is a PL level (if inconsistent) winger, at best he can become world class. If I look at our squad and look for people who actually are contributing as you would expect / in line with their wages - he is actually one of the few.

We're struggling for goals and flogging one of our biggest attacking threats so we can sign some unproven LWB who had half a season in Italy (because...formation). It's not like we're selling Garnacho to bring in a world class attacker.

 

[Blood Mage]

Yesterday was his most impressive performance of the season typically but I won't be too sad to see him go, would just rather Napoli be his destination.

 

[Zed is not dead]

To be fair unless our players are obscenely undeniably good then opposition fans will rarely rate them.

Cantona and Evra are barely considered by french football fans. Doesn’t mean they’re shote though

 

[The Serpent]

The Shed End called him The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez

He looks nothing like Ramirez besides having indented cheekbones, Cavani is the real The Night Stalker doppelganger

 

[laughtersassassin]

Selling Garnacho just doesn't sit right with me.

If it happens surely we sign two attackers. If it's Garnacho out and one in then it doesn't make much sense. Needs to enable us to properly strengthen if we do it.

So Garnacho goes I expect to see a LWB, 10/Winger and a striker brought in.

Anything less than that and selling him is a disgrace.

 

[Infra-red]

I'd feel a lot better about the transfer if I knew who we were bringing in.

Dorgu aside, it doesn't look like there willl be any incomings. If Garnacho is off, they must be planning to reintegrate Rashford, because otherwise they only have Amad to perform that more direct role in the front three (running in behind and stretching the play a bit). We'll also need Rashford just for an extra body - Amad cannot start every game from now until May.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

Not to mention it would basically mean they give us back the money we gave them for Mount. I know it's not literally that way but that's some damning context of the shiteshow we are.

That’s a funny way of looking at it actually, we’ve traded Garnacho for mason mount.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Dorgu aside, it doesn't look like there willl be any incomings. If Garnacho is off, they must be planning to reintegrate Rashford, because otherwise they only have Amad to perform that more direct role in the front three (running in behind and stretching the play a bit). We'll also need Rashford just for an extra body - Amad cannot start every game from now until May.

Garnacho goes we need two attackers in. Cunha and one other hopefully

Selling Garnacho and ending up with Dorgu is just making the squad worse

 

[hellhunter]

That’s a funny way of looking at it actually, we’ve traded Garnacho for mason mount.

And some stupid wages on top as a sweetener!

 

[MaMa given red]

Absolutely the same. People point to Liverpool selling Sterling, under different circumstances, but willfully forget they replaced him with Benteke and finished 8th. The argument of money to spend is only valid if you believe in the people spending it

That's a very strange example to use.

Sterling was a winger, Benteke was a striker, it wasn't a like for like replacement. Liverpool also signed Firminio that summer and Mane 12 months later so in the end it paid off for them.

Also that was the season that they sacked Rodgers and appointed Klopp so there's context as to why they ended up in 8th place.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

And some stupid wages on top as a sweetener!

I’ve had 5 more minutes to think about it and I now feel quite poorly.

 

[laughtersassassin]

So far it's expected we get Dorgu in and Garnacho leaves? So that's just making the squad worse......

We have no goals in this team and we are taking goals out of it? Garnacho goes two attackers in minimum or Ineos are basically sabotaging the manager

 

[RuudTom83]

If you are in the camp of being happy to see Garnacho leave, because you are excited for who is coming in.

Then realistically this late in the window it’s going to be…
Garnacho OUT
Dorgu IN

Not sure I can get onboard with this idea from any angle tbh.

 

[red_de_pologne]

basically a Mudryk replacement then

 

[Mike Smalling]

So far it's expected we get Dorgu in and Garnacho leaves? So that's just making the squad worse......

We have no goals in this team and we are taking goals out of it? Garnacho goes two attackers in minimum or Ineos are basically sabotaging the manager

Agreed. If we are to sell Garnacho, it should be as part of a larger overhaul in the summer. He is raw, but one of the precious few players that contribute with goals and assists. He's only behind Bruno and Diallo in combined goal contributions, and it's no coincidence he pops up with assists against Liverpool and Arsenal.

 

[Castia]

Massive mistake to sell him. He’s come into a struggling team as a teenager and been one of our better attackers over the past 2 years and produced some great moments already. No doubt in a successful side he’ll step on even further.

We’ll end up essentially swapping him for that unproven left wing back which is a mistake waiting to happen.

Ticket prices raised to comply with ffp and our better players being sold off to our rivals the club is finished as top side we may as well accept that

 

[Rajma]

We can do things in the transfer market which other clubs can only dream of. Watch this space...

 

[M Bison]

Not to mention it would basically mean they give us back the money we gave them for Mount. I know it's not literally that way but that's some damning context of the shiteshow we are.

The more of these type of examples i read the more ridiculous it is that we're even considering this sale. The other one that was mentioned was Soton wanting £55m for Dibbling, the disappointment of this club over the last 10 years knows no boundaries.

 

[Dans]

Selling Garnacho just doesn't sit right with me.

If it happens surely we sign two attackers. If it's Garnacho out and one in then it doesn't make much sense. Needs to enable us to properly strengthen if we do it.

So Garnacho goes I expect to see a LWB, 10/Winger and a striker brought in.

Anything less than that and selling him is a disgrace.

If we sell him and don't bring anyone in this window, I'm fine with that. The sale would appear to be mainly PSR driven. If his sale allows us to buy someone more considered in the summer, then fine. Frankly, there's really nothing to play for this season.

 

[red_de_pologne]

If you are in the camp of being happy to see Garnacho leave, because you are excited for who is coming in.

Then realistically this late in the window it’s going to be…
Garnacho OUT
Dorgu IN

Not sure I can get onboard with this idea from any angle tbh.

Although I'm 100% against the sale of the Garnacho, I'm pretty sure we would be replacing him with an attacking midfielder

 

[Castia]

If we sell him and don't bring anyone in this window, I'm fine with that. The sale would appear to be mainly PSR driven. If his sale allows us to buy someone more considered in the summer, then fine. Frankly, there's really nothing to play for this season.

Going off our past history what hope do you have that the money will be spent wisely though. We’ll probably end up with 15m more than we paid for Zirkzee it’s laughable

 

[davidmichael]

The fact Garnacho is only 20 years old suggests that with the right coaching he can become a player who can play inside or outside and someone who can score 15-20 goals a season seeing as he’s on 8 this season and if I’m not mistaken is our top scorer this season whilst playing in a dysfunctional team.

If we were a properly functioning team we’d see how Garnacho drawing two men to him a lot of the time frees up space for others but we change our midfield every game and have probably used a left footed wing back 2-3 times since Amorim came in.

Now if it’s strictly a PSR move that’s a different matter and we’re the masters of our own destruction through horrific management and bringing players in on ridiculous fees that are square pegs for round holes then giving them even more ridiculous wages and our even further ridiculous wage structure meaning we can’t move players on.

If we’ve have the choice between keeping Garnacho and coaching him into the role Amorim whilst moving Rashford on and covering some of his wages or selling Garnacho to pay over the odds for players in January whilst keeping Rashford then I personally would keep Garnacho and move Rashford on, bring a left wing back and a striker in on loan.

This season outside of Europa and the FA Cup is a write off and accepting mid table in the league whilst maybe a cup win (a Europa win would be CL football next season) is the best we can aim for whilst Amorim is trying to implement his system, so we should keep the better players whilst moving the ones who aren’t wanted (Rashford, Casemiro, Antony, Lindelof) to free up funds and bring in loans as no one wants to sell their best players mid season and as seen with Dorgu we’d be quoted ridiculous sums because it’s January.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

basically a Mudryk replacement then

At Maresca thinking he’s got a say in this. You’ll get what Boehly gives you and you’ll be grateful.

 

[BaneIsPain]

Feels like a mistake letting him go.

 

[Wolfbot]

It's not even that. At worst Garnacho at 20 is a PL level (if inconsistent) winger, at best he can become world class. If I look at our squad and look for people who actually are contributing as you would expect / in line with their wages - he is actually one of the few.

We're struggling for goals and flogging one of our biggest attacking threats so we can sign some unproven LWB who had half a season in Italy (because...formation). It's not like we're selling Garnacho to bring in a world class attacker.

This sums up exactly how I feel about it. As much as he's still in the potential category at the moment (which is OK as players peak at different times), he's one of only three players we have who offers goals and any real level of consistent threat.

I think he looks fairly talented and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be a quality player whether with us or somewhere else.

It's a poor decision in my mind to take away one of the only attacking threats we have if we're not replacing it with something better, if the replacement is a left wingback, that's not going to help us all that much. Yes we really need one, but not at the expense of a half decent attacker.

Even worse if we decide to sell to Chelsea for about 60million when they sold us a player that's always injured and was in the last year of his contract for a similar amount. I think I might be done with the club for a while if that happens, would struggle to support decision making like that unless I'm wrong and we genuinely see improved performances and results.

 

[Castia]

Although I'm 100% against the sale of the Garnacho, I'm pretty sure we would be replacing him with an attacking midfielder

We’re linked with virtually no one and there’s a week left in the window i can’t wait to see this squad changing transfer take place

*Narrator voice*

It didn’t

 

[Roboc7]

Maybe it will be different in the summer but I can’t see Chelsea offering enough to buy him this window. Just need to keep playing him now and see if he can start to adapt to the system as season goes on.

 

[Rnd898]

Yesterday I saw a Chelsea fan poll about whether we need Garnacho or not and 90% of the thousands that voted said no. I have to say I fully agree with the majority there and for the life of me I can't understand why the club seem so adamant on spending big money on yet another winger when we have much more pressing concerns that should be addressed first.

I don't particularly rate Garnacho that highly to begin with, but me being against this potential signing has less to do with Garnacho's level as a player and a lot more about what our squad needs. If we're to spend big money on another winger, it should at least be someone who offers a consistent goal threat as we already have more than enough players who are alright at taking the ball into the attacking areas but not enough players who can actually put the ball in the back of the net. The likes of Sancho, Madueke, Felix and Neto are all good or at the very least decent players for what they bring to the table but none of them are good goalscorers. Adding Garnacho to that bunch would be just more of the same rather than someone who offers a different kind of option. Right now our goal threat outside of Palmer and Jackson is pretty much non-existent because the wingers, midfielders and defenders just don't chip in with enough goals.

With Napoli publicly backing out this has become a one horse race and to me it just looks like the price tag doesn't represent good enough value. If it were at least a cheap punt I could see some sense in taking a gamble and seeing if Garnacho can up his game enough to offer that consistent goal threat with a bit of development as he matures but right now I'd 100% pass on this and focus the funds on other areas instead.

 

[red_de_pologne]

If you think we're overpaying for Dorgu just wait until we panic buy a Garna replacement in the last day of the window

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

I think the goal is to go after Gyokores at the end of the season, but that would require selling one of Hojlund or Zirkzee. And I still can't decide who to keep. At least Hojlund is a little younger but he'll be harder to get value back at his current state. I think we can at least get our money back for Zirkzee but I doubt we make a profit on him

Selling Garnacho would help because teams wouldn't be able to use our financial situation to twist our arm but I don't think now is the time to sell him. At least wait until the summer to potentially get more suitors in the mix

The problem with Hojlund and Zhirkee is both of them has obvious qualities and weaknesses but as strikers both of them are shit and unreliable. Zhirkee we can extract most value from since the it was a recent transfer and he was part of Serie A team of the year.

I am perplexed regarding these two. As a pure technical player, Zhirkee looks better and more assured with his passing etc. Hojlund is faster and has shown good finishing. But they are not Antony level where he does not seem to have anything going for him.