Absolutely the same. People point to Liverpool selling Sterling, under different circumstances, but willfully forget they replaced him with Benteke and finished 8th. The argument of money to spend is only valid if you believe in the people spending it
Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries
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Whilst not perfect I think our summer signings indicate an improvement in recruitment and negotiations. I think Mazraoui, De Ligt and Ugarte have been solid signings, not so convinced about Zirkzee.
I hear that, and genuinely as of a few days ago would have argued this exact case.
I think seeing swathes of Rangers fans in the home sections of the stadium last night, the reports coming out about non-playing members of staff, and the manner in which decisions have been reversed (Ashworth, ETH, Zirkzee potentially going, etc) just fills me with a fair amount of dread.
I don't doubt that on some level there are good intentions, but I just don't think Ineos have the track record to suggest they'll achieve what we want them to, and that given the sheer scale of the problem/costs invloved, we've gotten ourselves into a position where we require creative financing ala Chelsea or owners with deep pockets to fix. We're sort of without either currently.
Not to mention it would basically mean they give us back the money we gave them for Mount. I know it's not literally that way but that's some damning context of the shiteshow we are.
The very same people that caused the Ashworth situation, decided to keep ETH only to sack him a few months later and brought in the most dogmatic manager on the planet fully aware that his system is the polar opposite of what we have in place? And that's ignoring 60M on a CB project and Zirkzee.
Ahhh, it all makes sense now
Absolutely. I don't have a problem buying young players at lower prices as the big issues of this last decade have been overpaying for aging players and giving them big contracts. Or just massively overpaying anyway.
If our strategy is geared towards young, up and coming players at costs and on contracts that mean they are sellable if it doesn't pan out, and having enough shots to get enough right, I'm good with that. We will still need to avoid Hojlund cost type signings,
They then got a new structure, sold Coutinho, brought Van Dijk and Allison and won the Champions League.
I play football with lads that support a range of different teams and none of them rate Garnacho. I think it's only really some United fans that rate him.
It's quite telling that we've made him available and the only interest comes from a low ball Napoli offer and Chelsea who will buy any young players.
And got silly money. Which Chelsea aren't offering
To be fair unless our players are obscenely undeniably good then opposition fans will rarely rate them.
Seems like we could get pretty close to 70m which is silly money but that isn't the point. Clubs are not bound to buy terribly and if you think we are then we may as well not change anything about the squad since it's doomed to fail.
I'd feel a lot better about the transfer if I knew who we were bringing in.
It's natural. He cost us nothing and is a good promising talent. Best case, he gets to a world class player level. Worse case he becomes a backup player. Neither are bad for us IMHO. For Chelsea though, it's an outlay of 60m + a huge wage outlay - so it's natural they don't want to risk on him having burnt their fingers with so many random transfers.
With a week and some change left in the window, don't hold your breath
The Shed End called him The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez 
It's not even that. At worst Garnacho at 20 is a PL level (if inconsistent) winger, at best he can become world class. If I look at our squad and look for people who actually are contributing as you would expect / in line with their wages - he is actually one of the few.
We're struggling for goals and flogging one of our biggest attacking threats so we can sign some unproven LWB who had half a season in Italy (because...formation). It's not like we're selling Garnacho to bring in a world class attacker.
Yesterday was his most impressive performance of the season typically but I won't be too sad to see him go, would just rather Napoli be his destination.
Cantona and Evra are barely considered by french football fans. Doesn’t mean they’re shote though
The Shed End called him The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez
He looks nothing like Ramirez besides having indented cheekbones, Cavani is the real The Night Stalker doppelganger
Selling Garnacho just doesn't sit right with me.
If it happens surely we sign two attackers. If it's Garnacho out and one in then it doesn't make much sense. Needs to enable us to properly strengthen if we do it.
So Garnacho goes I expect to see a LWB, 10/Winger and a striker brought in.
Anything less than that and selling him is a disgrace.
If it happens surely we sign two attackers. If it's Garnacho out and one in then it doesn't make much sense. Needs to enable us to properly strengthen if we do it.
So Garnacho goes I expect to see a LWB, 10/Winger and a striker brought in.
Anything less than that and selling him is a disgrace.
Dorgu aside, it doesn't look like there willl be any incomings. If Garnacho is off, they must be planning to reintegrate Rashford, because otherwise they only have Amad to perform that more direct role in the front three (running in behind and stretching the play a bit). We'll also need Rashford just for an extra body - Amad cannot start every game from now until May.
That’s a funny way of looking at it actually, we’ve traded Garnacho for mason mount.
Garnacho goes we need two attackers in. Cunha and one other hopefully
Selling Garnacho and ending up with Dorgu is just making the squad worse
And some stupid wages on top as a sweetener!
That's a very strange example to use.
Sterling was a winger, Benteke was a striker, it wasn't a like for like replacement. Liverpool also signed Firminio that summer and Mane 12 months later so in the end it paid off for them.
Also that was the season that they sacked Rodgers and appointed Klopp so there's context as to why they ended up in 8th place.
I’ve had 5 more minutes to think about it and I now feel quite poorly.
So far it's expected we get Dorgu in and Garnacho leaves? So that's just making the squad worse......
We have no goals in this team and we are taking goals out of it? Garnacho goes two attackers in minimum or Ineos are basically sabotaging the manager
We have no goals in this team and we are taking goals out of it? Garnacho goes two attackers in minimum or Ineos are basically sabotaging the manager
If you are in the camp of being happy to see Garnacho leave, because you are excited for who is coming in.
Then realistically this late in the window it’s going to be…
Garnacho OUT
Dorgu IN
Not sure I can get onboard with this idea from any angle tbh.
Then realistically this late in the window it’s going to be…
Garnacho OUT
Dorgu IN
Not sure I can get onboard with this idea from any angle tbh.
basically a Mudryk replacement then
Agreed. If we are to sell Garnacho, it should be as part of a larger overhaul in the summer. He is raw, but one of the precious few players that contribute with goals and assists. He's only behind Bruno and Diallo in combined goal contributions, and it's no coincidence he pops up with assists against Liverpool and Arsenal.
Massive mistake to sell him. He’s come into a struggling team as a teenager and been one of our better attackers over the past 2 years and produced some great moments already. No doubt in a successful side he’ll step on even further.
We’ll end up essentially swapping him for that unproven left wing back which is a mistake waiting to happen.
Ticket prices raised to comply with ffp and our better players being sold off to our rivals the club is finished as top side we may as well accept that
We’ll end up essentially swapping him for that unproven left wing back which is a mistake waiting to happen.
Ticket prices raised to comply with ffp and our better players being sold off to our rivals the club is finished as top side we may as well accept that
The more of these type of examples i read the more ridiculous it is that we're even considering this sale. The other one that was mentioned was Soton wanting £55m for Dibbling, the disappointment of this club over the last 10 years knows no boundaries.
If we sell him and don't bring anyone in this window, I'm fine with that. The sale would appear to be mainly PSR driven. If his sale allows us to buy someone more considered in the summer, then fine. Frankly, there's really nothing to play for this season.
Although I'm 100% against the sale of the Garnacho, I'm pretty sure we would be replacing him with an attacking midfielder
Going off our past history what hope do you have that the money will be spent wisely though. We’ll probably end up with 15m more than we paid for Zirkzee it’s laughable
The fact Garnacho is only 20 years old suggests that with the right coaching he can become a player who can play inside or outside and someone who can score 15-20 goals a season seeing as he’s on 8 this season and if I’m not mistaken is our top scorer this season whilst playing in a dysfunctional team.
If we were a properly functioning team we’d see how Garnacho drawing two men to him a lot of the time frees up space for others but we change our midfield every game and have probably used a left footed wing back 2-3 times since Amorim came in.
Now if it’s strictly a PSR move that’s a different matter and we’re the masters of our own destruction through horrific management and bringing players in on ridiculous fees that are square pegs for round holes then giving them even more ridiculous wages and our even further ridiculous wage structure meaning we can’t move players on.
If we’ve have the choice between keeping Garnacho and coaching him into the role Amorim whilst moving Rashford on and covering some of his wages or selling Garnacho to pay over the odds for players in January whilst keeping Rashford then I personally would keep Garnacho and move Rashford on, bring a left wing back and a striker in on loan.
This season outside of Europa and the FA Cup is a write off and accepting mid table in the league whilst maybe a cup win (a Europa win would be CL football next season) is the best we can aim for whilst Amorim is trying to implement his system, so we should keep the better players whilst moving the ones who aren’t wanted (Rashford, Casemiro, Antony, Lindelof) to free up funds and bring in loans as no one wants to sell their best players mid season and as seen with Dorgu we’d be quoted ridiculous sums because it’s January.
If we were a properly functioning team we’d see how Garnacho drawing two men to him a lot of the time frees up space for others but we change our midfield every game and have probably used a left footed wing back 2-3 times since Amorim came in.
Now if it’s strictly a PSR move that’s a different matter and we’re the masters of our own destruction through horrific management and bringing players in on ridiculous fees that are square pegs for round holes then giving them even more ridiculous wages and our even further ridiculous wage structure meaning we can’t move players on.
If we’ve have the choice between keeping Garnacho and coaching him into the role Amorim whilst moving Rashford on and covering some of his wages or selling Garnacho to pay over the odds for players in January whilst keeping Rashford then I personally would keep Garnacho and move Rashford on, bring a left wing back and a striker in on loan.
This season outside of Europa and the FA Cup is a write off and accepting mid table in the league whilst maybe a cup win (a Europa win would be CL football next season) is the best we can aim for whilst Amorim is trying to implement his system, so we should keep the better players whilst moving the ones who aren’t wanted (Rashford, Casemiro, Antony, Lindelof) to free up funds and bring in loans as no one wants to sell their best players mid season and as seen with Dorgu we’d be quoted ridiculous sums because it’s January.
At Maresca thinking he’s got a say in this. You’ll get what Boehly gives you and you’ll be grateful.Feels like a mistake letting him go.