Agreed I think Dorgu signing would be done regardless of Any Sale and If we manage to loan out Rashford without subsidising his wages another sub 30m player could be on horizen .
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Agreed I think Dorgu signing would be done regardless of Any Sale and If we manage to loan out Rashford without subsidising his wages another sub 30m player could be on horizen .
Yeah, getting rid of Rashfords wages would be fantastic.
I heard there were takers for him in the summer but the club didn't want to let him go
Come on, I know Ineos messed up with the manager, but by our standards the summer transfer window wasn't a disaster. The damage the Glazers did before that with so much poor recruitment far exceeds anything Ineos have done in the last year many times over that's for sure.
I tell what the Glazers have worked an absolute miracle doing what they did to United and then successfully shifting so much of the blame to Ineos, whilst still retaining majority ownership of the club.
Yeah, getting rid of Rashfords wages would be fantastic.
I heard there were takers for him in the summer but the club didn't want to let him go
You cant fault Rashford's PR you can argue the results but they atleast put in the efforts unlike Rashford .
I agree with you on Dorgu. If you look up my previous posts you'll see I've been strongly against his signing so yes if the idea is to sell Garnacho for 60m euros then spend 30-40 on Dorgu I'd be very much against it.
I don't think we're spending 180m in the last week of the window but I'd like to think we have a number of targets already lined up I.E Cunha.
Hojlund wasn't signed by INEOS and I think Zirkzee will prove to be decent value at 34m.
At the moment it's speculation so time will tell. If we sell him and sign no one or spend big on players like Dorgu I'd be pissed. If we sold him and signed Cunha/Gyokeres then I'd be fine with it.
I know. But I'm assuming we still had the players who were here when Fergie retired.
Feeling very melancholy about this. Manchester United should be selling 20 year old talents, but its just indicative of where we are as a club and how far we have fallen 
Smart business
Not absolving them of blame at all. But Ineos have been pretty shit since they came in and deserve to take shit. Not that I didn't expect bumpy times and some mistakes. But selling Garnacho is something that was entirely avoidable (and still is). Selling Garnacho to fund buying someone like Cunha (which is the best case scenario I see happening) is just a very not-Manchester United thing to do imo.
Painful reading this. Idiots running the club
If they were offering 80m + then think about it but if we were looking to buy him there's no fecking way we'd get him for less than that so it's just stupid to even think about it.
They’re pissed we rinsed them for Sancho now want to offer this pisstake bs.
Feck Napoli, feck Chelsea, and feck INEOS/Glazers
Pragmatically, considering the level of shit we are in, if somebody offers us £70M+ we probably should sell.
But, should or not, under no circumstances do I *WANT* us to sell a 20yo wonderkid product of our academy. That is against everything United has been and should be. Feck people who put us in the kind of predicament that we are even open to something like this "for the right price"
Pragmatically, considering the level of shit we are in, if somebody offers us £70M+ we probably should sell.
But, should or not, under no circumstances do I *WANT* us to sell a 20yo wonderkid product of our academy. That is against everything United has been and should be. Feck people who put us in the kind of predicament that we are even open to something like this "for the right price"
Doesnt fit R.As system, just cash in while we can
Amorim has made concessions when he’s played, the role he is playing isn’t the role of that player typically in his system. He’s allowing him to basically play as a winger, and in turn the wing back is either staying deep to not crowd his space, or inverting. I think I even read Amorim say as much himself, and there’s been loads of analysis of these positions for Sporting vs what we’re doing instead.
So I’m not entirely convinced it’s a Dalot/Malacia issue only, but a tactical one also which is brought on by Garnacho.
This failure has many fathers.
We surely can't let him go.
He's literally our main attacking output at the minute and his crossing has been better. Gets plenty of shots away and on another night, he could've had a hat trick. Him and Amad are the only bit of direct attacking play we have left in the whole squad.
He's literally our main attacking output at the minute and his crossing has been better. Gets plenty of shots away and on another night, he could've had a hat trick. Him and Amad are the only bit of direct attacking play we have left in the whole squad.
A bit sad about this, it will be a shame. But ultimately I think the sale would be forgotten pretty quickly if we can sign a more productive player that fits the current team better. That should theoretically be very doable
If a player does not fit our game plan, then he must be sold. That’s how top teams operate.
We need players now to try and salvage the league position and securing some sort of European competition for next year. It's shortsighted but what else would you expect from this club. Maybe we could get more for him in the Summer? No guarantee.
Top teams coach players in the system or game plan. They nurture talent, they don't sell because the fecking owners have bled the club dry and we haven't got a pot to piss in. Top teams don't pay stupid money in wages to players that are at the end of their careers, permanently crocked, or are just simply not good enough to wear the shirt. Top clubs don't let bankers run a football operation. We are a fecking clown show and no manager can fix that and until the Glazers are gone for good, it will stay that way.
Top teams don’t sell midseason and leave themselves with 4 attackers for 3 positions, one of which seems to be a better fit in midfield (Bruno), one is slower than molasses and has never been prolific (JZ), one is young and also not prolific (Hojlund), and Amad who’s pretty good but let’s not act like he’s been banging them in for years.
I personally don’t believe that if we sold Garnacho tomorrow, we’ll replace him with someone better in this window. That means we’re completely writing off the next few months. That also wouldn’t be very top team thing to do.
Teams in financial trouble who are languishing in mid table and have no aspirations of any better, however, do indeed sell their better players to the likes of Chelsea mid season.
Then RA and his coaches need to work with the lad and get the best out of him.
I think the game against Rangers showed how he is starting to develop. He is looking for passes a lot more.
He also had a shot cleared off the line and a goal bound shot deflected over the bar. Pretty clear development over the last few games so given more time the likelihood is that he will develop further.
Also looks like he is displaying a good attitude to adjusting his game.
It’s a bad choice to look to sell him unless it’s a huge offer and even then for me it would leave a bitter taste.
I understand PSR is in play and even the square peg round hole suggestion - although he is showing signs of adapting - but this will turn out bad in the long run.
This club is in a complete and utter mess and it’s looking entirely like we will be much weaker come the end of this transfer window.
If this player is transferred it will be one that will likely be rued for years.
He also had a shot cleared off the line and a goal bound shot deflected over the bar. Pretty clear development over the last few games so given more time the likelihood is that he will develop further.
Also looks like he is displaying a good attitude to adjusting his game.
It’s a bad choice to look to sell him unless it’s a huge offer and even then for me it would leave a bitter taste.
I understand PSR is in play and even the square peg round hole suggestion - although he is showing signs of adapting - but this will turn out bad in the long run.
This club is in a complete and utter mess and it’s looking entirely like we will be much weaker come the end of this transfer window.
If this player is transferred it will be one that will likely be rued for years.
Really not one of the players I'd consider selling if it were up to me. He's a good young player and working hard on his game so that he can fit in to a system that doesn't naturally suit him. He's also responded to criticism from the coach a lot better than Rashford. Lots of others I'd sell ahead of Garnacho tbh.
Selling Garnacho would be stupid honestly. All these "He doesn't fit Amorim's system" talk is BS. He is 20 ffs! What he needs is actual coaching on how to apply his skills at the right place and at the right time. He doesn't even have to be a starter at this point. We are Manchester United and difficult times are the times we should be looking more at our academy and helping them to help us as a club.
That's what I am worried about, regardless of what we think of Garnacho, good or not good enough, fits the system or not, we should not, under any circumstances, sell him for anything less than £70M, he is a 20 yo top talent attacker in the PL, Aston Villa demanded £85M for Duran, who is just 8 months older and only starting to show his quality this season, while Garnacho has been quite good for us in the last 18-24 months.
All of these talks about not selling Garnacho because it goes against the club’s ethos… It’s like you all are ignoring the financial mess we are in. We are broke, and hampered by PSR.
It would be rather alarming to be honest if we sold him to Chelsea mid-season.
It would send a strong signal, of the wrong kind, about our aspirations.
It would send a strong signal, of the wrong kind, about our aspirations.
To be honest, I don't think Garnacho is that talented.
Selling Garnacho for some financial relief is so short sighted. The potential gains are not enough to make it worth it.
We shouldn't be letting him go unless there is a deal in place for a Cunha type player. Also won't be easy finding someone as productive either
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For the people happy to sell him, do you expect us to get in an attacking replacement before the window closes? A replacement that improves us, not necessarily individually but as a team?
Personally don't see it, if only because time is running out. And not doing so would surely leave us ridiculously light up front
Personally don't see it, if only because time is running out. And not doing so would surely leave us ridiculously light up front
Yeah just our luck we got the fake sheikh whereas City and Newcastle hit the jackpot
We can do things in the transfer market which other clubs can only dream of. Watch this space...
How different 10 years down the line.
How different 10 years down the line.
I think our fans are being too emotional about his potential sale and our not looking at the bigger picture. Looking at tonight's team performance it clearly showed we need a striker who can score. Plus his contribution also highlighted his biggest weaknesses which was putting the ball in the net and needing about 4 good chances to score. Lastly for all of his running, he hardly created chances for his fellow players, which is criminal against low level opposition considering the formation was lopsided to accommodate his style.
If we can get 60 to 65M for him sign striker who will help us score goals, its a very reasonable trade. Plus his sale means in terms of PSR it will give us a lot of room to sign players in the summer as well.
If we can get 60 to 65M for him sign striker who will help us score goals, its a very reasonable trade. Plus his sale means in terms of PSR it will give us a lot of room to sign players in the summer as well.
Amad was playing as a winback, and even then Garnacho was playing closer to the touchline than he was. It forced Malacia to underlap into the 10 position instead, which is not where we want Malacia.
Also, was he really dangerous? took som decent long shot efforts and missed a great chance that he got on a plate.
I think the goal is to go after Gyokores at the end of the season, but that would require selling one of Hojlund or Zirkzee. And I still can't decide who to keep. At least Hojlund is a little younger but he'll be harder to get value back at his current state. I think we can at least get our money back for Zirkzee but I doubt we make a profit on him
Selling Garnacho would help because teams wouldn't be able to use our financial situation to twist our arm but I don't think now is the time to sell him. At least wait until the summer to potentially get more suitors in the mix
To be fair Ratcliffe was a season ticket holder at Chelsea
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