Chelsea too, who have sold us utter crap recently.
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Chelsea too, who have sold us utter crap recently.
Today Nachos played with Dalot and then Malacia as his LWB. Neither of those two are creative enough to unlock defenses, more often than not Dalot just made a late overlap but didn’t drag anyone with him. Malacia played some good passes up the channel to him, but then didn’t join in the attack. So the key to this system is wingbacks creating width and then providing support , and we don’t have those players. That left Nachos to go 1v1 every time, which isn’t his best attribute—although he was okay today. The entire attack was bad today because the WBs weren’t working and there was a void at the tip of the spear.
What Nachos does provide is pace and energy and the occasional moment of brilliance—and usually crafted by himself out of nothing. He’s not the finished article, he’s sloppy, he makes plenty of wrong decisions, but he’s only 20 and playing with a bunch of donkeys.
What Nachos does provide is pace and energy and the occasional moment of brilliance—and usually crafted by himself out of nothing. He’s not the finished article, he’s sloppy, he makes plenty of wrong decisions, but he’s only 20 and playing with a bunch of donkeys.
That was obvious sarcasm
Looks like he is going with the recent noise and those comments from Amorim...
I hope we have something lined up as a replacement when he goes, more so if Rashford does too.
I hope we have something lined up as a replacement when he goes, more so if Rashford does too.
I don’t think we do. We trust in youth and those guys earning their wages. Those on large wages not doing enough to earn it either show some real commitment and performances, leave or rot in the reserves. Us as fans accept we’ve wasted a large proportion of our money and that we need a long term project which will mean mediocrity for a few years, not quick fixes such as selling our young talented players.
You are narrowing the stats down to suit your narrative
Including stats from all competitions is not narrowing anything down, it’s giving a full picture.How many of those other 72 U21s are doing it in the PL?
You’re having a nightmare on this thread
Yeah defo sounds like he’s off. One things for sure we better be planning on bringing in a replacement for him. Our attack is terrible as it is, we can’t afford to be losing one of the few bright sparks we have in there.
1. I posted a list of the best 20-year-olds by goal contribution in the top 5 leagues which he was 25th on.
2. Amad has 6 goals and 6 assists in the Premier League this season in 20 appearances, paying mostly RWB.
3. Mainoo isn't relevant to the discussion because he isn't an attacker who is judged on attacking output like Garnacho.
4. Hoijlund looks quite useless yes. More than Garnacho but would be unsellable at the moment.
If we were bringing in an Isak then fair enough. I’d not be happy but would understand it. We’ll probably bring in the young LWB who’ll need the rest of the season to acclimatise and a loan for some over the hill striker ala Ighalo.
I’d rather just use what we have this season and reevaluate in the summer.
Season is a write off anyway.
So sell them first. Shouldn’t be a science rocket.
You need interest for that.
Including the cup games and fecking charity shield is stat padding.You are narrowing the stats down to suit your narrative
How many of those other 72 U21s are doing it in the PL?
If the money gets spent on Cunha or Gyokeres then fine. But if it gets spent on Dorgu or some other unknown entity then feck me we are stupid.
I thought Mctominay was sold to balance the books. How bad are the books if we have to sell one of our more exciting talents?
Seeing Garnacho leave but Antony stay is a kick in the teeth to the fans.
I thought Mctominay was sold to balance the books. How bad are the books if we have to sell one of our more exciting talents?
Seeing Garnacho leave but Antony stay is a kick in the teeth to the fans.
Still an utter rubbish comment to make, 25th best g/a contributions in top 5 leagues. We score like a goal a game!
Amad’s stock is high right now. We should sell him and get as much as we can, he might drop off next year.
Mainoo in another position isn’t irrelevant it’s a cash cow playing crap so we should sell in your eyes. How does he compare to under 21s in top 5 leagues?
And you’re just guessing that Hojlund would be unsellable.
Dorgu is seperate to Garnacho. We don't need to sell him to buy Dorgu.
Waving to the crowd....... He's gone.
How do you know?
We owe over £300m in transfer fees to other clubs. We have very little cash, and a lot of debt. Things are not good.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6080398/2025/01/23/manchester-united-transfer-cash-problem/
What metric should we use to judge him then if G+A is not to your liking?
Amad's stock is high because he is a better player.
Yeah, it's my opinion that Hojlund is unsellable right now, there doesn't appear to be any interest in him. We would also need a good chunk of money back to be able to sell him too due to the massive fee we paid.
No, you’re just taking them out to try and prove your point. But it doesn’t work because you are comparing him to other players not in the PL.
I agree. If we can bring in a clear upgrade in attack that will help us start climbing back up the table then sure, but if we’re just doing it to ease our PSR trouble and bring in that young LWB Dorgu then definitely not. Would weaken our attack even further and we’re already a shambles.
They have cleared enough room in the PSR calculations by triggering Maguires +1 on his contract and then the saved money from loaning Antony out to Betis.
I'm comparing him to anyone in the top 5 league which includes the Premier League mate.
You’ve chosen your own criteria for the metric you’re using. So the stats your giving are irrelevant.
Amad is currently the better player, last year Garnacho was, next year who knows.
To say Garnacho can’t do it in the PL and Europe is pure nonsense.
You clearly don’t rate him and want him to be sold, fair enough, but your really going all in on him and just making stuff up.
I thought he couldn't play in this system? Looked as dangerous as Amad to me. So many players want the boot before this kid.
That clears that up, didn’t realise you were the CFO.
He can't do it as well as his age peers in their respective leagues yes.
Trying to offer a balanced view on this topic, I don’t think we should be losing a 20 year old who has been one of our stand out young players in last 3 years, however his head has been turned, he’s clearly has an ego which most young footballers have and possibly is at stage where if we keep him, his agent will want a new contract on £100-150k per week like Kobbies’s Agent?
The club has created this problem for themselves by giving huge contracts to underperforming players for the last decade, we need a cultural reset and if Chelsea want to pay us £60/65m + add on of £10m + 20% sell on fee, as much as this is could backfire and Garnaucho develops into a genuine Elite inverted striker at Chelsea, if the £60m allows the club to reinvest at £180–200m then we must let the lad go and try and rebuild our attacking first 11 front three which currently is no better than a bottom 5 PL team in terms of options and ability to create and score PL goals.
Zirkzee, Hojlund, Mount, Eriksen
Should all be bench players at United with only Amad at RWB and Bruno starting at CM.
The club has created this problem for themselves by giving huge contracts to underperforming players for the last decade, we need a cultural reset and if Chelsea want to pay us £60/65m + add on of £10m + 20% sell on fee, as much as this is could backfire and Garnaucho develops into a genuine Elite inverted striker at Chelsea, if the £60m allows the club to reinvest at £180–200m then we must let the lad go and try and rebuild our attacking first 11 front three which currently is no better than a bottom 5 PL team in terms of options and ability to create and score PL goals.
Zirkzee, Hojlund, Mount, Eriksen
Should all be bench players at United with only Amad at RWB and Bruno starting at CM.
Be interesting to compare the fees between him and Mount who had a year left on his deal when it's done.
Yes but you’re using those stats to say ‘he can’t do it in the PL’ but most of those guys you’re comparing him to do not play in the PL either, so it doesn’t work.
Don’t sell the kid. I think he had a great game tonight. Goals will come. People need to remember his age.
And the argument about him not being able to play this system must be laid to bed. He was great at going inside and outside and all in all a very good performance.
If we sell him to Chelsea you guys should know that it’s about greed and nothing more. Keyword is leveraged buyout.
And the argument about him not being able to play this system must be laid to bed. He was great at going inside and outside and all in all a very good performance.
If we sell him to Chelsea you guys should know that it’s about greed and nothing more. Keyword is leveraged buyout.
Let's make this simple.
Do you think 4 goals and assists combined is good enough in 21 Premier League appearances?
Last season as a 19 year old he was 4th on the list of players his age or younger for goals and assists in just the top 5 leagues, while he was the only one who played in the premier league. Full seasons worth of data. How do you explain that one?
I offered a reasonable explanation and you have no real response. Cool.
Then it would appear that he has regressed no?
Cause it’s just words, show some solid inside information?
Zirkzee shouldn’t be here regardless of other doings, Højlund should be a backup and given time to determine if he’s going to kick on, Mount might be unable to play professional football based on his muscle twangs, and Eriksen’s time has come and gone.
In this fecking shitty team it’s almost a miracle.
He couldn't. This was the first game that he actually stayed in his internal position and allowed the LWB to have the width.
That being said, just because he followed instructions this once, doesn't mean his attributes suit the role. Without a forward pass or a through ball in his locker it'll always be awkward for him there.
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