Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Berbaclass said:
How is including goals scored against the likes of Barnsley helpful and not blatant stat padding to suit your narrative?

The simple fact is that he can't do it in the Premier League or Europe.
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Utter rubbish comment. He’s 20years old and Berbaclass of Redcafe has given his verdict that he’s shite.

Do you think Mainoo can do it? Amad? Mainoo has been terrible this season, Amad has been great this year but overall no real better stats than Garnacho.

Hojlund, may as well sell him too, Zirkzee, useless, can’t do it in PL. The list goes on.
 
I expect he'll be gone unless there is a miraculous sale of Casemiro. The books need balancing.

If he isn't sold now we might not be far off having to make desperate sales before the end of June.
 
Today Nachos played with Dalot and then Malacia as his LWB. Neither of those two are creative enough to unlock defenses, more often than not Dalot just made a late overlap but didn’t drag anyone with him. Malacia played some good passes up the channel to him, but then didn’t join in the attack. So the key to this system is wingbacks creating width and then providing support , and we don’t have those players. That left Nachos to go 1v1 every time, which isn’t his best attribute—although he was okay today. The entire attack was bad today because the WBs weren’t working and there was a void at the tip of the spear.

What Nachos does provide is pace and energy and the occasional moment of brilliance—and usually crafted by himself out of nothing. He’s not the finished article, he’s sloppy, he makes plenty of wrong decisions, but he’s only 20 and playing with a bunch of donkeys.
 
Looks like he is going with the recent noise and those comments from Amorim...

I hope we have something lined up as a replacement when he goes, more so if Rashford does too.
 
Rolaholic said:
Then how do we improve this frankensquad squad without any money coming in?
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I don’t think we do. We trust in youth and those guys earning their wages. Those on large wages not doing enough to earn it either show some real commitment and performances, leave or rot in the reserves. Us as fans accept we’ve wasted a large proportion of our money and that we need a long term project which will mean mediocrity for a few years, not quick fixes such as selling our young talented players.
 
Berbaclass said:
How is including goals scored against the likes of Barnsley helpful and not blatant stat padding to suit your narrative?

The simple fact is that he can't do it in the Premier League or Europe.
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You are narrowing the stats down to suit your narrative :lol: Including stats from all competitions is not narrowing anything down, it’s giving a full picture.

How many of those other 72 U21s are doing it in the PL?
 
Yeah defo sounds like he’s off. One things for sure we better be planning on bringing in a replacement for him. Our attack is terrible as it is, we can’t afford to be losing one of the few bright sparks we have in there.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
Utter rubbish comment. He’s 20years old and Berbaclass of Redcafe has given his verdict that he’s shite.

Do you think Mainoo can do it? Amad? Mainoo has been terrible this season, Amad has been great this year but overall no real better stats than Garnacho.

Hojlund, may as well sell him too, Zirkzee, useless, can’t do it in PL. The list goes on.
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1. I posted a list of the best 20-year-olds by goal contribution in the top 5 leagues which he was 25th on.
2. Amad has 6 goals and 6 assists in the Premier League this season in 20 appearances, paying mostly RWB.
3. Mainoo isn't relevant to the discussion because he isn't an attacker who is judged on attacking output like Garnacho.
4. Hoijlund looks quite useless yes. More than Garnacho but would be unsellable at the moment.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Yeah defo sounds like he’s off. One things for sure we better be planning on bringing in a replacement for him. Our attack is terrible as it is, we can’t afford to be losing one of the few bright sparks we have in there.
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If we were bringing in an Isak then fair enough. I’d not be happy but would understand it. We’ll probably bring in the young LWB who’ll need the rest of the season to acclimatise and a loan for some over the hill striker ala Ighalo.

I’d rather just use what we have this season and reevaluate in the summer.

Season is a write off anyway.
 
youngrell said:
You are narrowing the stats down to suit your narrative :lol: Including stats from all competitions is not narrowing anything down, it’s giving a full picture.

How many of those other 72 U21s are doing it in the PL?
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Including the cup games and fecking charity shield is stat padding.
 
If the money gets spent on Cunha or Gyokeres then fine. But if it gets spent on Dorgu or some other unknown entity then feck me we are stupid.

I thought Mctominay was sold to balance the books. How bad are the books if we have to sell one of our more exciting talents?

Seeing Garnacho leave but Antony stay is a kick in the teeth to the fans.
 
Berbaclass said:
1. I posted a list of the best 20-year-olds by goal contribution in the top 5 leagues which he was 25th on.
2. Amad has 6 goals and 6 assists in the Premier League this season in 20 appearances, paying mostly RWB.
3. Mainoo isn't relevant to the discussion because he isn't an attacker who is judged on attacking output like Garnacho.
4. Hoijlund looks quite useless yes. More than Garnacho but would be unsellable at the moment.
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Still an utter rubbish comment to make, 25th best g/a contributions in top 5 leagues. We score like a goal a game!

Amad’s stock is high right now. We should sell him and get as much as we can, he might drop off next year.

Mainoo in another position isn’t irrelevant it’s a cash cow playing crap so we should sell in your eyes. How does he compare to under 21s in top 5 leagues?

And you’re just guessing that Hojlund would be unsellable.
 
Pav1878 said:
If the money gets spent on Cunha or Gyokeres then fine. But if it gets spent on Dorgu or some other unknown entity then feck me we are stupid.

I thought Mctominay was sold to balance the books. How bad are the books if we have to sell one of our more exciting talents?

Seeing Garnacho leave but Antony stay is a kick in the teeth to the fans.
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Dorgu is seperate to Garnacho. We don't need to sell him to buy Dorgu.
 
Pav1878 said:
If the money gets spent on Cunha or Gyokeres then fine. But if it gets spent on Dorgu or some other unknown entity then feck me we are stupid.

I thought Mctominay was sold to balance the books. How bad are the books if we have to sell one of our more exciting talents?

Seeing Garnacho leave but Antony stay is a kick in the teeth to the fans.
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We owe over £300m in transfer fees to other clubs. We have very little cash, and a lot of debt. Things are not good.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6080398/2025/01/23/manchester-united-transfer-cash-problem/
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
Still an utter rubbish comment to make, 25th best g/a contributions in top 5 leagues. We score like a goal a game!

Amad’s stock is high right now. We should sell him and get as much as we can, he might drop off next year.

Mainoo in another position isn’t irrelevant it’s a cash cow playing crap so we should sell in your eyes. How does he compare to under 21s in top 5 leagues?

And you’re just guessing that Hojlund would be unsellable.
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What metric should we use to judge him then if G+A is not to your liking?

Amad's stock is high because he is a better player.

Yeah, it's my opinion that Hojlund is unsellable right now, there doesn't appear to be any interest in him. We would also need a good chunk of money back to be able to sell him too due to the massive fee we paid.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
If we were bringing in an Isak then fair enough. I’d not be happy but would understand it. We’ll probably bring in the young LWB who’ll need the rest of the season to acclimatise and a loan for some over the hill striker ala Ighalo.

I’d rather just use what we have this season and reevaluate in the summer.

Season is a write off anyway.
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I agree. If we can bring in a clear upgrade in attack that will help us start climbing back up the table then sure, but if we’re just doing it to ease our PSR trouble and bring in that young LWB Dorgu then definitely not. Would weaken our attack even further and we’re already a shambles.
 
Berbaclass said:
What metric should we use to judge him then if G+A is not to your liking?

Amad's stock is high because he is a better player.

Yeah, it's my opinion that Hojlund is unsellable right now, there doesn't appear to be any interest in him. We would also need a good chunk of money back to be able to sell him too due to the massive fee we paid.
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You’ve chosen your own criteria for the metric you’re using. So the stats your giving are irrelevant.

Amad is currently the better player, last year Garnacho was, next year who knows.

To say Garnacho can’t do it in the PL and Europe is pure nonsense.

You clearly don’t rate him and want him to be sold, fair enough, but your really going all in on him and just making stuff up.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
You’ve chosen your own criteria for the metric you’re using. So the stats your giving are irrelevant.

Amad is currently the better player, last year Garnacho was, next year who knows.

To say Garnacho can’t do it in the PL and Europe is pure nonsense.

You clearly don’t rate him and want him to be sold, fair enough, but your really going all in on him and just making stuff up.
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He can't do it as well as his age peers in their respective leagues yes.
 
Trying to offer a balanced view on this topic, I don’t think we should be losing a 20 year old who has been one of our stand out young players in last 3 years, however his head has been turned, he’s clearly has an ego which most young footballers have and possibly is at stage where if we keep him, his agent will want a new contract on £100-150k per week like Kobbies’s Agent?

The club has created this problem for themselves by giving huge contracts to underperforming players for the last decade, we need a cultural reset and if Chelsea want to pay us £60/65m + add on of £10m + 20% sell on fee, as much as this is could backfire and Garnaucho develops into a genuine Elite inverted striker at Chelsea, if the £60m allows the club to reinvest at £180–200m then we must let the lad go and try and rebuild our attacking first 11 front three which currently is no better than a bottom 5 PL team in terms of options and ability to create and score PL goals.

Zirkzee, Hojlund, Mount, Eriksen
Should all be bench players at United with only Amad at RWB and Bruno starting at CM.
 
Don’t sell the kid. I think he had a great game tonight. Goals will come. People need to remember his age.

And the argument about him not being able to play this system must be laid to bed. He was great at going inside and outside and all in all a very good performance.

If we sell him to Chelsea you guys should know that it’s about greed and nothing more. Keyword is leveraged buyout.
 
youngrell said:
Yes but you’re using those stats to say ‘he can’t do it in the PL’ but most of those guys you’re comparing him to do not play in the PL either, so it doesn’t work.
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Let's make this simple.

Do you think 4 goals and assists combined is good enough in 21 Premier League appearances?
 
Berbaclass said:
I'm comparing him to anyone in the top 5 league which includes the Premier League mate.
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Last season as a 19 year old he was 4th on the list of players his age or younger for goals and assists in just the top 5 leagues, while he was the only one who played in the premier league. Full seasons worth of data. How do you explain that one?
 
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