Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

Berbaclass said:
He isn't a 20-goal-a-season player, just because he has a relatively good level of ability for a 20 y/o does not guarantee in any way that he will progress massively.
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bosnian_red said:
He's 20, on 8 goals for the season in January, and has been having a bit of an all timer of a season in terms of missing sitters.

If you can't see him easily clicking into a player who scores 20+ a season then I don't know what to say. You must have been wanting Ronaldo sold 20 years ago when he was inconsistent as a teenager.

The lack of patience and understanding that young players will be inconsistent is wild. It's like it's people's first time watching football.
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Funnily enough berbaclass thought garnacho had something extra than Amad back in August 2023. Probably would have been happy for amad to be sold when he was about the same age as garnacho is now.


Trex said:
United is very high level hence Pellistri, Amad, Hannibal don't get to play much. Hanging around don't do much for their development compared to playing at a Dortmund, Leipzig, Atlanta or Brighton.
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Berbaclass Aug 2023: “Look at Garnacho, he has something extra to those mentioned. Mainoo, Greenwood, Rashford etc

They all took the chance when they got it.”
 
Sancho99 said:
If Amorim is happy to let him leave then he's probably seen enough to suggest that he's not quite right for his system at this moment in time.
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I don’t think Amorim is happy to see him leave personally, but he knows it’s necessary if he wants to strengthen the team.
 
the_cliff said:
Problem is right now the best we'd get for any of the 2 mentioned is a loan and a packet of monster munch.


Garnacho is the only player we can sell for decent money. In an ideal world would we want to sell him ? probably not. But in an ideal world he wouldn't be starting for us either. Garnacho is not a world class talent. Right now we need the money more than we need Garnacho.
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We need to sell other players then.

Lindelof
Dalot
Malacia
Maguire
Antony
Eriksen

They should fetch something at least. Then bring in one or two quality players and promote youth.

Keep the quality youth you already have like Garnacho.

Crazy to be selling him when replacing him costs far more
 
hellhunter said:
Do you reckon he would've started him the last games if that was the case?
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Probably. Because what other options do we have? Rashford is clearly out of the question. Garnacho is one of very few sellable assets so of the manager has any doubts then he might be willing to let go.

He doesn't have any problems putting players in the squad/team that we are trying to sell. Antony, Malacia and Casemiro were all in the squad tonight aswell and it's been no secret we are looking to move them on.
 
the_cliff said:
Problem is right now the best we'd get for any of the 2 mentioned is a loan and a packet of monster munch.


Garnacho is the only player we can sell for decent money. In an ideal world would we want to sell him ? probably not. But in an ideal world he wouldn't be starting for us either. Garnacho is not a world class talent. Right now we need the money more than we need Garnacho.
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I agree with you. The only offers we are going to get are from those penny pinching Italian clubs. My biggest worry is just us pissing away the 70m on utter dross again.
 
Shark said:
Do you trust the club to spend that money wisely, plus who can you even get these days for £60m in January? A couple of wing backs that may or may not be total thrash.
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With these new financial rules selling a homegrown player doesn't just count as 60 mill. There's a reason Madrid and Chelsea have been selling their homegrown talent left, right and center.

Selling an academy product for such a large amount will give us plenty of wiggle room to spend. Maybe we won't be spending all of it this Jan but it will give us a decent chunk to spend in terms of ffp.
 
mikey_d said:
Funnily enough berbaclass thought garnacho had something extra than Amad back in August 2023. Probably would have been happy for amad to be sold when he was about the same age as garnacho is now.



Berbaclass Aug 2023: “Look at Garnacho, he has something extra to those mentioned. Mainoo, Greenwood, Rashford etc

They all took the chance when they got it.”
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You are welcome to look back at my previous posts on Amad. I didn't watch too much of him for Rangers but I watched him extensively at Sunderland and have always rated him very highly.

Happy to admit I was wrong about Garnacho though.
 
Berbaclass said:
How can you accuse me of arguing beyond logic or reason when I've quite clearly explained why his end product is relatively poor?

His end product is basically nonexistent.
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He's 20, and he's among the most productive u21 player in world football. "His end product is basically non existent" though, because he's had some bad finishing this season? Don't you realize how ridiculous it is to shit on a 20 year old for some bad finishing despite constantly getting among chances? The biggest problem a player could have is not getting among the chances. Getting chances and missing them... Well everyone who has watched football for more than 3 years knows that isn't that big of a problem and it tends to turn around before long. Especially for a fecking 20 year old.
 
The more I think about the more I sway towards not selling one of our only goal threats. Other than Amad and Bruno no one else barely shoots in this team.

Particularly if we're looking to spend a large chunk of it on an uninspiring left back.
 
the_cliff said:
With these new financial rules selling a homegrown player doesn't just count as 60 mill. There's a reason Madrid and Chelsea have been selling their homegrown talent left, right and center.

Selling an academy product for such a large amount will give us plenty of wiggle room to spend. Maybe we won't be spending all of it this Jan but it will give us a decent chunk to spend in terms of ffp.
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It won't.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's 20, and he's among the most productive u21 player in world football. "His end product is basically non existent" though, because he's had some bad finishing this season? Don't you realize how ridiculous it is to shit on a 20 year old for some bad finishing despite constantly getting among chances? The biggest problem a player could have is not getting among the chances. Getting chances and missing them... Well everyone who has watched football for more than 3 years knows that isn't that big of a problem and it tends to turn around before long. Especially for a fecking 20 year old.
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U21's only, he is the 73rd most productive player (goals + assists) in the top 5 leagues.

He is nothing special buddy.
 
hellhunter said:
And you want to reduce those options even further?
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You’d like to think the idea is sell Garnacho to bring players in. If that isn’t the case then clearly don’t sell - but at this moment nobody in this thread has a clue what the plan is. I do know our attacking options are currently nowhere near good enough and unless that changes rapidly we will continue to be a below average football team.
 
We can make a lot of joke about Chelsea's signings but I really like that they aimed at getting young attacking players and hope 1-2 of them work. They already stuck gold with Palmer and who knows what Garnacho would do. On the other hand we are selling one of our only good young players to buy more unknown dross
 
we're a team that is crying out for pace, directness and ability to create. selling garnacho would be an idiotic starting point. if we sell him we have to sign a better version of him that plays at 10 or wb. for what, a bargain? we are not going to fix this club in 1 window and should see how dust settles in other areas first. casemiro, rashford, sancho, antony, eriksen, lindelof, and a couple of others should all leave soon. thats the starting point. maybe it means we cant spend HUGE money this summer but we can still be smart. selling garnacho for 60 million or so simply does not give us a blank cheque and its a false argument to pretend that its a choice between garnacho, or not doing any transfer business.
 
Gary Nachos shooting at every opportunity is a result of having no actual CF to feed. The wings have zero confidence in either Zirkzee or Højlund scoring, same as Bruno, so all 3 (Nachos, Amad, Bruno) shoot on sight — and I don’t blame them.
 
Do posters who keep saying things like "there's so many other players in the squad who should be sold before him" seriously not understand that those players aren't selling because there isn't a market for them?

It's not like United have been offered 50m for Anthony 40m for Casemiro and 40m for Maguire but have just decided that they'll sell Garnacho instead.

They can't sell players that nobody wants.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
We can make a lot of joke about Chelsea's signings but I really like that they aimed at getting young attacking players and hope 1-2 of them work. They already stuck gold with Palmer and who knows what Garnacho would do. On the other hand we are selling one of our only good young players to buy more unknown dross
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Weird little post. You want Chelsea's approach of getting young attacking players, but when we make the same aim we're buying "more unknown dross"? We've also not really been linked with any attackers, but good to know you already know they're dross I guess?
 
FlawlessVictory88 said:
Do posters who keep saying things like "there's so many other players in the squad who should be sold before him" seriously not understand that those players aren't selling because there isn't a market for them?

It's not like United have been offered 50m for Anthony 40m for Casemiro and 40m for Maguire but have just decided that they'll sell Garnacho instead.

They can't sell players that nobody wants.
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There's no market for them because they're terrible. Selling your better players in that case isn't the best idea or strategy.
 
One of the best and most productive U21 forwards in Europe!

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I'd rather if we sold him to Napoli and not to a PL rival but seems like he'll be off to Chelsea. Perhaps this was his last game at Old Trafford as United player...
 
FlawlessVictory88 said:
Do posters who keep saying things like "there's so many other players in the squad who should be sold before him" seriously not understand that those players aren't selling because there isn't a market for them?

It's not like United have been offered 50m for Anthony 40m for Casemiro and 40m for Maguire but have just decided that they'll sell Garnacho instead.

They can't sell players that nobody wants.
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Just like we shouldn’t be selling our best players either
 
Berbaclass said:
U21's only, he is the 73rd most productive player (goals + assists) in the top 5 leagues.

He is nothing special buddy.
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U21 is under 20, as in not 21 year olds, and why cut out cup competitions? So anyway. Players who are less than 21, in the top 5 leagues and cups (not including random other leagues), he ranks 4th, while playing for a disaster club. Last season, compared to players under 20 (so 19 and under), again, 4th. So when comparing his generation or younger, he's pretty much 2nd to Lamine Yamal over the past 2 seasons.

Nothing special, you're having a laugh bud. We'll regret it if we do sell him, but anyway. Looks like you'll be happy when it comes to that, but it'll be a sad day for the club to sell a talent like him because the wankers in charge threw away too much money on shit like Hojlund and Antony.
 
It's like clockwork now. People suggesting selling players that will be leaving on a free in the summer or players that are unsellable because of contracts and amortised transfer fees.
 
I’m not that bothered as long as the money is good and we get a top replacement. Time to be ruthless
 
I'm not against selling Garnacho if it really really has to be but it's not like we are shopping from the top tier for replacements. Every time someone leaves we seem to end up with someone worse.
 
bosnian_red said:
U21 is under 20, as in not 21 year olds, and why cut out cup competitions? So anyway. Players who are less than 21, in the top 5 leagues and cups (not including random other leagues), he ranks 4th, while playing for a disaster club. Last season, compared to players under 20 (so 19 and under), again, 4th. So when comparing his generation or younger, he's pretty much 2nd to Lamine Yamal over the past 2 seasons.
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How is including goals scored against the likes of Barnsley helpful and not blatant stat padding to suit your narrative?

The simple fact is that he can't do it in the Premier League or Europe.
 
If we let him go for upwards of £50m, with a buy back clause of some kind, then I think that's good business.

At the moment he's just not good enough at any aspect of the game really. His shooting is sub par, he struggles to beat a man, especially from a standing start, even with a running start his dribbling is only effective if he has his head down, which leads to poor decision making when completing the dribbles. He doesn't have top pace or acceleration, so when he does get free opposition defenders will usually catch him, and he's pretty easily shrugged off the ball. His passing isn't good enough tight spaces so he isn't effective more centrally, which leaves a big gap between him and the striker. He does have a good work rate, which is important, but it isn't enough by itself.

If we reinvest the money we get for him well, then it's well worth letting him go for the right price.
 
the_cliff said:
With these new financial rules selling a homegrown player doesn't just count as 60 mill. There's a reason Madrid and Chelsea have been selling their homegrown talent left, right and center.

Selling an academy product for such a large amount will give us plenty of wiggle room to spend. Maybe we won't be spending all of it this Jan but it will give us a decent chunk to spend in terms of ffp.
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Eh?
So much nonsense written on here about the PSR rules.

Selling a homegrown player was exactly the same accounting wise long before PSR was a thing.
 
Maybe it's me, I must be watching a different match to some of you because I thought I was bang average. Rattled a couple of crosses against defenders and missed a hat full chances.

Apparently that was a statement performance against Rangers so I'll take the statement I suppose.
 
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