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5.4 Season Average Rating
Appearances
29
Goals
8
Assists
4
Yellow cards
1
Convinced people who think he’s even close to young Ronaldo never actually watched young Ronaldo. His decision making was equally as infuriating but that’s about where the similarities end. Even at 18 Ronaldo had absurd technique in a bigger frame with world class explosiveness.


Exactly and skill wise Ronaldo was just streets ahead of him at the same point.

Ronaldo had issues with decision making yes but talent wise he was another level it was plain to see.

Garnacho is just nowhere near as talented so his best bet is to learn to be learn to be a better team player
 
Exactly and skill wise Ronaldo was just streets ahead of him at the same point.

Ronaldo had issues with decision making yes but talent wise he was another level it was plain to see.

Garnacho is just nowhere near as talented so his best bet is to learn to be learn to be a better team player
It’s so clear. Just stick him on the bench and tell him he’ll get 20-30 minutes every game to terrorize back lines. Let him be as direct as he wants. People won’t have nearly as much of an issue then because A. He’ll naturally be more effective and B. He’s actually a very useful weapon in that sense.
 
Garnacho is a wing player and not a no. 10. He may be one of of the players sacrificed in Ruben system.
 
he is quick, he just does not know how or where to run when running into goal, he mostly runs in straight lines which could be easy to deal with if you are not Mbappe or Davies, players like Salah or Son run diagonally and put themselves between the ball and player behind them and get the ball into their fav foot to shoot once they are close, he does not know how to do that.
 
Garnacho is a wing player and not a no. 10. He may be one of of the players sacrificed in Ruben system.
Ruben's system doesn't play with 2 numbers 10's. Garnacho fits fine.
 
This is so often stated with Garnacho but I don’t actually think it’s true. He certainly has enough talent to be a solid contributor in a good side, but I think he has far too many weaknesses to be classified as someone who has the potential to be great. Even now there’s not one go to thing he does at an extremely high level. Compared to some other recent top potential young players we’ve had over the years:

- Rashford had explosive pace and was instantly a real threat to run in behind
- Martial was a wizard with the ball at his feet, with some of the best dribbling of any young player in the world when he first arrived here
- Greenwood was a two footed freakish ball striker with above average athleticism

Garnacho doesn’t really have an elite trait in comparison to lean on. He’s a decent take on threat but very middling technically, not a great creator as his first tendency is to shoot and his passing/crossing is pretty poor from wide areas, and he’s a solid ball striker but not great and pretty sporadic in front of goal. He has good instincts off the ball for a young forward which helps him grab goals and get into dangerous positions but his natural ability isn’t as high as I think many people believe.



Yeah should pretty clearly be a super sub in majority of games (and he'd be good at it!). I was thinking about it today but I can't really remember a truly great 90 minutes he's played. He's had games where he's done great in getting a goal or an assist or two but his overall play was still just meh. Until he can put a consistent floor of performances together he needs to be an attacking sub, not a starter.
I agree with your assessment of him but I do remember thinking after some games that he's had an overall good one. Not often though but they've happened.
 
I agree with your assessment of him but I do remember thinking after some games that he's had an overall good one. Not often though but they've happened.
I just need to see a good floor of performances from him consistently in games he’s not scoring/assisting. We have too many in the starting XI that don’t have that simple quality of just helping the team play better even if they aren’t doing anything spectacular and it makes it difficult to establish a good platform to consistently perform as a team.
 

Thanks.

This is what I mean, in the first example he actually slows down because he didn't know where to go or what to do, in the second example what he wanted to do was too obvious and the defender was able to predict it and time his tackle.

In an earlier post I mentioned speed alone isn't enough, look at Adama, atrocious decision making, others are not as quick but they know how to move and what to do, Lingard wasn't super quick, he was just quick enough, in the video you see it clearly that he ran across his defender and put himself between the ball and defender and then changed direction, took few defenders out with that.
 
Thanks.

This is what I mean, in the first example he actually slows down because he didn't know where to go or what to do, in the second example what he wanted to do was too obvious and the defender was able to predict it and time his tackle.

In an earlier post I mentioned speed alone isn't enough, look at Adama, atrocious decision making, others are not as quick but they know how to move and what to do, Lingard wasn't super quick, he was just quick enough, in the video you see it clearly that he ran across his defender and put himself between the ball and defender and then changed direction, took few defenders out with that.
To add to your point, I believe our coaches are failing Garnacho.

He's been touted as a great talent but we are not moulding him, he freestyles all the time.

It can work sometimes but in an organised system he currently will struggle.

I hope the new coaches help him
 
To add to your point, I believe our coaches are failing Garnacho.

He's been touted as a great talent but we are not moulding him, he freestyles all the time.

It can work sometimes but in an organised system he currently will struggle.

I hope the new coaches help him
Agreed especially the bolded bit, hopefully he is given better instructions and coached in a way that improves him as a player and a teammate
 
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Garnacho hasn't got elite speed for a winger but he definitely has enough.
The main issue with his dribbling is he lacks defensive ball carrying skills. I.e knowing how to position himself and the ball to retain possession, when he hasn't got the option to blow past the defender. This issue shows up in particular when he's up against physicality. For example, the spurs game last year, where it felt like he lot every single duel against Udogie.
Now whether this is a technique or an IQ issue is the question. When you combine this problem with his generally poor decision making, it suggests IQ. However, we've also seen some not so bright players really succeed because their technique is so good e.g. Eden Hazard. If I had to pick, is say it's a bit of both. Hopefully Amorim's coaching will help improve the decision-making part of his game.

Speaking of, apparently there's a post match quote out there where Amorim stated that one of his key takeaways from the game was that he's learnt that Garnacho can play in the half space. This is the complete opposite to what everyone and their mothers tookaway from the game. He's clearly seeing something we're not.

Here's the quote,
https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/...head-coach-says-you-start-discovering-things/
 
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Ruben's system doesn't play with 2 numbers 10's. Garnacho fits fine.
I thought it did? I'm clueless about such things and not having a go in any way - just curious to know what the truth is (as I've heard it repeated many times that he does use two number 10 type players)
 
I thought it did? I'm clueless about such things and not having a go in any way - just curious to know what the truth is (as I've heard it repeated many times that he does use two number 10 type players)
He also said initially it will be a back 3 with wingbacks, but eventually it's a back 3 with 5 forwards, so Garnacho should be fine. Although this is based on him implementing his system, wingers instead of wingbacks is a later stage development, but based on Sun, not sure how long it will take for Amorim to progress his system, if ever.
 
Garnacho's wastefulness is driving me round the bend at the moment. So many chances just to look up and slide someone and he chooses to punt it into the Stretty.

I love the kid but he has to make better decisions.
 
Seriously needs to improve his finishing. If that freekick goes in towards the end, everyone would rightfully be looking at him.
 
I like that he gets involved so often and he is clearly an exciting and dangerous player. But, his finishing is dogshit. Finishing and decision-making are two of his worst qualities. They just so happen to be two of the most important qualities for a player in his position.

He's very frustrating. Raw and needs refining, but very frustrating.
 
There is definitely a place for him in this system. He tracked back and made a crucial interception at 3-2 which showed he does posses the work rate to be more than just an attacking winger in a 4-3-3.

At the age of 20, his wastefulness in front of goal doesn't bother me as long he keeps getting himself in those dangerous positions.
 
It's all well and good to see him missing chances against opposition we can easily swat aside but I'd hate to see him on the end of one of a few good chances we'd be able to create when playing against Liverpool or Arsenal. He's more likely to miss than score. His shooting technique is awful.
 
Not a coincidence that he finds himself on the end of so many things. Needs to develop his finishing and get his head up more and he’ll be an output monster. Really hope his dribbling can go up a level. He has all the tools to be very good. We have a few players like that at the moment, if the 4 or 5 of them can hit the next level we’ll be in a good place.
 
His end product wasn't good and ultimately that's what he will be judged on as a forward but I thought the rest of his game was good today.
 
He should be taken in and out of the team, as with any youngster. Those finishes will come with time.
 
1st half he was effectively and constantly looking for his teammates and was putting in a real sturdy performance.
But, like a switch is flicked, the 2nd half was alot less consistent.
 
I thought his all round game was pretty good, his touch and half turn in tight spaces were spot on.
 
It's all well and good to see him missing chances against opposition we can easily swat aside but I'd hate to see him on the end of one of a few good chances we'd be able to create when playing against Liverpool or Arsenal. He's more likely to miss than score. His shooting technique is awful.

To be fair he has scored against some of these sides and has scored important goals for us. It’s frustrating but he can definitely improve these parts of his game. I have hope as he seems like a hard worker.
 
He’s missing a lot of chances but at least he’s getting in the position to have a chance. He keeps going for 90mins unlike most of our other forwards. Happy for him to stay in the first team and keep giving his all.
 
He’s missing a lot of chances but at least he’s getting in the position to have a chance. He keeps going for 90mins unlike most of our other forwards. Happy for him to stay in the first team and keep giving his all.
Why though? Why are we happy to keep trotting out mediocrity as a full time starter? Because he tries really hard? That’s a great attribute but it certainly doesn’t earn you a locked down spot in our best XI. Especially not in this new system where we have a fair few players vying for these new roles trying to see who fits and who won’t.
 
Why though? Why are we happy to keep trotting out mediocrity as a full time starter? Because he tries really hard? That’s a great attribute but it certainly doesn’t earn you a locked down spot in our best XI. Especially not in this new system where we have a fair few players vying for these new roles trying to see who fits and who won’t.
No because he’s our highest goal scorer this season with a lot of potential. Amorim needs to find a role for Garnacho, Amad and Hojlund in the first 11.

If Garnacho is mediocrity what do you think about the rest of the team?
 
I don't mind attackers missing a few chances when they are scoring at a good rate (which it's worth remembering he is). Moments like this absolutely have to stop happening so regularly though.

 
The one thing going for him is his ability to get into goal scoring opportunities. His finishing and overall technique is subpar though.