[G97]

United fans love to criticise everyone and everything at the club (which is understandable tbh) but I will always put Garnacho low on the whipping list, as no matter what you say, he will also "do something" during the game.

The new manager and transfer talk has knocked his confidence for sure, but again nobody else is particularly shining under the current conditions at United, so a 20 year old kid can be given some slack.

He will come good!

I hear you. But we can’t afford to keep cutting players slack and hope they will come good… we’ve done it for too long and it’s hugely destructive.
Our backs are against the walls with PSR and it’s time to (finally) think and move like a business… That includes predicting and planning…

Garnacho’s physical and technical attributes are okay, but not exceptional. His ceiling is far below that of Mainoo’s and Amad’s.
His laziness at times has also been inexcusable, especially for an academy graduate.
That being said, His stock is high and we’d get a good fee (£50mil) for him in summer which we can reinvest in a better player.

Alternatively we keep him for a few years, hoping he’ll come good, then when he doesn’t kick on, we are left with a 24 year old who’s value is barely worth the effort of trying to sell him and many on here will look back in hindsight and say, “we should have sold him in January or Summer 2025”.

 

[Castia]

The fact he was publicly placed for transfer and we were negotiating with multiple clubs must be unsettling. Can’t imagine what it’s like being a player knowing the club is actively trying to feck you off

 

[RuudTom83]

I hear you. But we can’t afford to keep cutting players slack and hope they will come good… we’ve done it for too long and it’s hugely destructive.
Our backs are against the walls with PSR and it’s time to (finally) think and move like a business… That includes predicting and planning…

I've heard this a few times, it's his second full season! If keeping him for 1.5 seasons after graduating from the academy is now deemed enough time to give players then nobody is going to make it. Not even the current Cafe fave Amad would have survived with that logic.

*edited for Valencia Shin Crosses...I still stand by what I said 100% even if its 2.5 seasons and not 1.5.

 

[Drainy]

The fact he was publicly placed for transfer and we were negotiating with multiple clubs must be unsettling. Can’t imagine what it’s like being a player knowing the club is actively trying to feck you off

His agent is probably mentioning that it's an opportunity to play Champions League and get a pay rise and I'm pretty sure any professional footballer would see the upside if it happens

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I've heard this a few times, it's his second season! If keeping him for 1.5 seasons after graduating from the academy is now deemed enough time to give players then nobody is going to make it. Not even the current Cafe fave Amad would have survived with that logic.

It's his third season.

 

[Zumbi]

I've heard this a few times, it's his second full season! If keeping him for 1.5 seasons after graduating from the academy is now deemed enough time to give players then nobody is going to make it. Not even the current Cafe fave Amad would have survived with that logic.

*edited for Valencia Shin Crosses...I still stand by what I said 100% even if its 2.5 seasons and not 1.5.

A couple of years of training and matches should be more than enough time for a coaching team to determine if his skills, physical attributes and attitude are at the right levels for us. It’s not an exact science and mistakes can be made of course, but if our recent history shows anything it’s that we’ve held on to some academy graduates far longer than we should have.

And with that logic Amad would have survived - because he has shown traits deemed worthy of retention.

 

[G97]

I've heard this a few times, it's his second season! If keeping him for 1.5 seasons after graduating from the academy is now deemed enough time to give players then nobody is going to make it. Not even the current Cafe fave Amad would have survived with that logic.

The best graduates will be the ones that make it…
The lads played 125 games in a red shirt… that’s plenty to judge anybody.
We’ve seen his limitations will stop him from ever becoming a starting player for a consistent top 4 team, let alone him being a world beater.
I thank him for scoring that FA cup final goal and giving me a great day at Wembley in May. But he should be sold while his value is still high.

Also your Amad comment proves my point correct and not yours. As Amad has shown more than enough in far less opportunities…

 

[Cassidy]

A couple of years of training and matches should be more than enough time for a coaching team to determine if his skills, physical attributes and attitude are at the right levels for us. It’s not an exact science and mistakes can be made of course, but if our recent history shows anything it’s that we’ve held on to some academy graduates far longer than we should have.

And with that logic Amad would have survived - because he has shown traits deemed worthy of retention.

He didn't in his first 2 years was the point, and if we are being honest over both of their United first team careers there isn't that much between them. Amad is a much more experienced player as well with 2 loans under his belt

 

[Isotope]

A couple of years of training and matches should be more than enough time for a coaching team to determine if his skills, physical attributes and attitude are at the right levels for us. It’s not an exact science and mistakes can be made of course, but if our recent history shows anything it’s that we’ve held on to some academy graduates far longer than we should have.

And with that logic Amad would have survived - because he has shown traits deemed worthy of retention.

Mainoo is a year younger than Garnacho, and has shown less. Are you saying that Mainoo also has another year to show he'll have much more impact that Garnacho? Otherwise he should be sold next year.

 

[G97]

He didn't in his first 2 years was the point, and if we are being honest over both of their United first team careers there isn't that much between them. Amad is a much more experienced player as well with 2 loans under his belt

Amad is naturally a far more gifted player than Garnacho and that’s been pretty clear. He’s a silkier more talented dribbler, capable of actually beating full backs, possesses a better first touch. Works significantly harder. And has little bonus traits like the cute ‘give and go’s in and around the opposition box.

I’m not saying in time Garnacho won’t improve his game… the atrocious shooting and crossing along with his decision making can be fixed. But no time will make him a player who’s naturally good enough for a title winning side.
At 20, Saka, Palmer, Foden etc were miles ahead of where he is now.

Also.. Amad has experienced other clubs, yes. But over the courses of their careers. Garnacho has played more first team games than Amad… so not sure how Amad is “much more” experienced.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

I enjoy watching him so much but I think I want him to leave predominantly because of the fan base.

He has started to become the "he's not good enough" guy now that Rashford's gone. Every two to three games Garnacho has a great performance grabbing an assist or terrorising the opposition but gets talked about like he is a flop who never produces anything.

I personally don't know why we should sell him except for financial reasons & even then I think there's ways to bypass the PSR.

However, it's time we sell him and not rely on him and let the pressure fall on a single new signing than a 20 year old who has scored, assisted and have had lots of good but inconsistent performances with us over the last 2 & a half years.

Some are patient, some want a consistent player at 20 years old. It's just what it is.

People say "oh well, that's the pressure of playing for a top club like Manchester United" - no, its just the pressure mostly put on by the fanbase instead.

Time he gets some "freedom" from this fan base for his own greater good. I know I would if I was a good but inconsistent player at the age of 20.

 

[Tallis]

If he was scoring half of the chances he is getting, he would be on a respectable amount of goals this season. Somehow needs to discover his composure again

 

[Zumbi]

He didn't in his first 2 years was the point, and if we are being honest over both of their United first team careers there isn't that much between them. Amad is a much more experienced player as well with 2 loans under his belt

It’s precisely because Amad was loaned to Rangers and then Sunderland in his first two years that our coaches didn’t have two years worth of watching him in training and matches. So not sure how that’s a reasonable comparison. Since getting regular game time with us he’s shown enough technical ability and end product that he’s been tied down a longer term contract.

 

[Zumbi]

Mainoo is a year younger than Garnacho, and has shown less. Are you saying that Mainoo also has another year to show he'll have much more impact that Garnacho? Otherwise he should be sold next year.

Playing centre midfield is a very different proposition to playing further forward, especially at that age. Mainoo had a stand out first season and showed some traits that are very hard to find/coach, but now he is having a very difficult second season. If he is consistently poor next year and the coaches don’t think he is progressing enough, or don’t think he has the attributes to progress, then yes, he could be sold. Same is true for any young player coming through. I personally think Mainoo has a potentially higher ceiling than Garnacho so if I had to pick I would rather see the latter leave than the former. But then I don’t rate Garnacho that much and don’t think he has any unique attributes that would be partcularly hard to replace with with some smart scouting.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

It’s precisely because Amad was loaned to Rangers and then Sunderland in his first two years that our coaches didn’t have two years worth of watching him in training and matches. So not sure how that’s a reasonable comparison. Since getting regular game time with us he’s shown enough technical ability and end product that he’s been tied down a longer term contract.

Well the fact Amad was on loan at the same age as Garnacho probably shows what Garnacho needs - a loan to be away from the spotlights.

Garnacho would tear it up for Sunderland in the Championship

 

[Brand Nubian]

I hear you. But we can’t afford to keep cutting players slack and hope they will come good… we’ve done it for too long and it’s hugely destructive.
Our backs are against the walls with PSR and it’s time to (finally) think and move like a business… That includes predicting and planning…

Garnacho’s physical and technical attributes are okay, but not exceptional. His ceiling is far below that of Mainoo’s and Amad’s.
His laziness at times has also been inexcusable, especially for an academy graduate.
That being said, His stock is high and we’d get a good fee (£50mil) for him in summer which we can reinvest in a better player.

Alternatively we keep him for a few years, hoping he’ll come good, then when he doesn’t kick on, we are left with a 24 year old who’s value is barely worth the effort of trying to sell him and many on here will look back in hindsight and say, “we should have sold him in January or Summer 2025”.

You wont attract sh*t with that, esp. not an ambicious players with top potential knowing what a shite show United have become. People suggesting a Wirtz caliber of signing are not living in reality. In fact, if United went back for Elanga with those 50mil they would be laughed out of room.

"We’ve seen his (Garnacho) limitations will stop him from ever becoming a starting player for a consistent top 4 team, let alone him being a world beater."

This line used so often with every departing player always gets me. Because these players, with right ingreedience for the PL are exactly the types you fill up your squad with. Its really funny, because back to Elanga, he now plays a major role for a team being top four the whole season so far while United are flirting with relegation.

 

[Zumbi]

Well the fact Amad was on loan at the same age as Garnacho probably shows what Garnacho needs - a loan to be away from the spotlights.

Garnacho would tear it up for Sunderland in the Championship

Yep, he probably would. Not going to happen given his profile and our financial issues though.

 

[AndyMUFC]

He’s incredibly frustrating in front of goal but is always a threat.

Ideally you get a left sided 10 in the summer and he becomes more of an impact sub as he usually does well in that role while he hopefully develops his decision making.

 

[Cassidy]

It’s precisely because Amad was loaned to Rangers and then Sunderland in his first two years that our coaches didn’t have two years worth of watching him in training and matches. So not sure how that’s a reasonable comparison. Since getting regular game time with us he’s shown enough technical ability and end product that he’s been tied down a longer term contract.

This didn't happen, Amad was at United for his first 2 years playing mainly for the u21 team and making a few appearances for the first team. His loan to Rangers came in year 3.

 

[Cassidy]

Amad is naturally a far more gifted player than Garnacho and that’s been pretty clear. He’s a silkier more talented dribbler, capable of actually beating full backs, possesses a better first touch. Works significantly harder. And has little bonus traits like the cute ‘give and go’s in and around the opposition box.

I’m not saying in time Garnacho won’t improve his game… the atrocious shooting and crossing along with his decision making can be fixed. But no time will make him a player who’s naturally good enough for a title winning side.
At 20, Saka, Palmer, Foden etc were miles ahead of where he is now.

Also.. Amad has experienced other clubs, yes. But over the courses of their careers. Garnacho has played more first team games than Amad… so not sure how Amad is “much more” experienced.

I won't make that judgment yet because Amad is much further along in his development.

 

[bond19821982]

He is only 20 and he is frustrating. Our issue isn't him but the state of us depending on an 20 year old to win games. That's what 20 year old kids are - inconsistent and frustrating.

Our inability to plan the squad in a timely manner is what the issue is.

 

[Castia]

Bit naive. All of that noise was his agent trying to get him a serious pay rise, here or elsewhere, because he’s on a long term deal at £50k/week. Or in other words he’s getting paid what he’s worth which is outrageously unfair for a forward at United.

Nah the club was putting it out there that everybody is for sale even Mainoo then decided to negotiate with multiple clubs to sell him they didn’t get the fee they wanted and now we’re left with a player who’s possibly pissed off

It’s been widely reported the club need to raise funds I’ve not once seen a article claiming Garnacho wanted to leave before these negotiations took place

 

[Dans]

People say "oh well, that's the pressure of playing for a top club like Manchester United" - no, its just the pressure mostly put on by the fanbase instead.

Aren't those two things the exact same thing?!

 

[OverratedOpinion]

He isn't my favourite player but he absolutely can finish far better than he has been. Feels like he needs a goal quite badly to get a bit of confidence back.

 

[Exiled_Red]

We need to sell him this summer before his stock falls anymore. He’s massively overrated and would go a long way in helping our FFP situation. I love how direct Garnacho is, but he’s not a good dribbler, has ball control issues, is a sporadic finisher, and has horrible football IQ.

 

[G97]

You wont attract sh*t with that, esp. not an ambicious players with top potential knowing what a shite show United have become. People suggesting a Wirtz caliber of signing are not living in reality. In fact, if United went back for Elanga with those 50mil they would be laughed out of room.

"We’ve seen his (Garnacho) limitations will stop him from ever becoming a starting player for a consistent top 4 team, let alone him being a world beater."

This line used so often with every departing player always gets me. Because these players, with right ingreedience for the PL are exactly the types you fill up your squad with. Its really funny, because back to Elanga, he now plays a major role for a team being top four the whole season so far while United are flirting with relegation.

Really??? You want to use Elanga to back your case?
Elanga is fast player (a lot faster than Garnacho btw) who relies on pace and players like that go through spells in their careers that make them look better than what they are… Adama, Dan James, Walcott, Lennon etc etc.
If Forest remain as a top 4 club for the following 3 seasons with Elanga as a main fixture then we can talk. Until then, using him as a reason to keep Garnacho is silly.

In regards to the £50mil… added with the sales of Rashford, Antony and Sancho will give us a decent spending pot.
The narrative of ‘no one good will join us’ is ridiculous and untrue. Obviously we can’t get Madrid’s stars but as much as we hate them, The Scouse Cnuts showed how it can be done, they signed Salah, Mane and Firmino when they, as club, were utter crap and going nowhere.
There is players out there, it’s up to right people in the club to find them.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

If we sell Garnacho & get a new LAM -

Who will we play at LM/LAM/LW if our new signing gets injured?

Aren't we seeing how much Amad's injury has pretty much stalled our season and its expectations?

We need to have atleast 2 players for every position & Garnacho may not be first choice on the left but we need him to provide some quantity in our squad and he is good enough talent to do so if he is happy to fight for his spot.

Going in to next season with one LW/LAM & one RW/RAM is just stupid & is a very big gamble. This is why I think INeos won't sell him because the squad is extremely thin & trading in one player for another player still leaves us with a gaping hole in the overall squad.

Bruno has shown he can't play as a wide attacking midfielder because he can't dribble which only leaves Mainoo & Zirkzee as our options to play as wide AM's.

 

[Zumbi]

This didn't happen, Amad was at United for his first 2 years playing mainly for the u21 team and making a few appearances for the first team. His loan to Rangers came in year 3.

Nope. Check your facts. He was signed in January 2021 and loaned to Rangers in January 2022, then to Sunderland in August 2022.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

If we sell Garnacho & get a new LAM -

Who will we play at LM/LAM/LW if our new signing gets injured?

Aren't we seeing how much Amad's injury has pretty much stalled our season and its expectations?

We need to have atleast 2 players for every position & Garnacho may not be first choice on the left but we need him to provide some quantity in our squad and he is good enough talent to do so if he is happy to fight for his spot.

Going in to next season with one LW/LAM & one RW/RAM is just stupid & is a very big gamble. This is why I think INeos won't sell him because the squad is extremely thin & trading in one player for another player still leaves us with a gaping hole in the overall squad.

Bruno has shown he can't play as a wide attacking midfielder because he can't dribble which only leaves Mainoo & Zirkzee as our options to play as wide AM's.

My hope is that selling Garnacho can get us two players.

 

[Zumbi]

If we sell Garnacho & get a new LAM -

Who will we play at LM/LAM/LW if our new signing gets injured?

Aren't we seeing how much Amad's injury has pretty much stalled our season and its expectations?

We need to have atleast 2 players for every position & Garnacho may not be first choice on the left but we need him to provide some quantity in our squad and he is good enough talent to do so if he is happy to fight for his spot.

Going in to next season with one LW/LAM & one RW/RAM is just stupid & is a very big gamble. This is why I think INeos won't sell him because the squad is extremely thin & trading in one player for another player still leaves us with a gaping hole in the overall squad.

Bruno has shown he can't play as a wide attacking midfielder because he can't dribble which only leaves Mainoo & Zirkzee as our options to play as wide AM's.

If we sell Garnacho it wouldn’t be with the aim of lowering squad numbers or quality - it would be done to generate enough funds to bring new players in so we can improve quality and/or squad numbers. Of course, whether that actually happens and is successful or not is entirely down to us scouting far better than we have in the past.

 

[Exiled_Red]

If we sell Garnacho & get a new LAM -

Who will we play at LM/LAM/LW if our new signing gets injured?

Aren't we seeing how much Amad's injury has pretty much stalled our season and its expectations?

We need to have atleast 2 players for every position & Garnacho may not be first choice on the left but we need him to provide some quantity in our squad and he is good enough talent to do so if he is happy to fight for his spot.

Going in to next season with one LW/LAM & one RW/RAM is just stupid & is a very big gamble. This is why I think INeos won't sell him because the squad is extremely thin & trading in one player for another player still leaves us with a gaping hole in the overall squad.

Bruno has shown he can't play as a wide attacking midfielder because he can't dribble which only leaves Mainoo & Zirkzee as our options to play as wide AM's.

You are underestimating how much FFP room he would provide. Because of how homegrown players are calculated, if we sold him for say 50 mil that would give us 50 mil of freedom in the summer. Not just for a single player either. We could, for example, sign two players for 40 mil and 60 mil and if both on 4 year contracts would only cost us 10 mil and 15 mil against FFP for that year.

Its a broken system but its why Chelsea have been allowed to spend like crazy. Because they use sales from their bloated youth system and long contracts to stretch out FFP restrictions. Selling Garnacho and Rashford would essentially free us from our FFP restrictions in the near term.

 

[Cassidy]

Nope. Check your facts. He was signed in January 2021 and loaned to Rangers in January 2022, then to Sunderland in August 2022.

So, in his first year, he was at United playing for the u21s and a few appearances in the first team (across the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons), so you were still wrong; he did not spend his first 2 years on loan.

It’s precisely because Amad was loaned to Rangers and then Sunderland in his first two years

He is a player who is about 3/4 years ahead in his development in senior football, having been in Atalanta first team squad before heading to United, so the comparison to Garnacho today is ill advised. Garnacho in terms of timeline is comparable to Amad at Rangers and we know how that loan turned out
Garnacho may end up not developing well, but the need to try and tear down a young player just because someone else (who is far more experienced) is in better form is a bit silly

 

[Zumbi]

So, in his first year, he was at United playing for the u21s and a few appearances in the first team (across the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons), so you were still wrong; he did not spend his first 2 years on loan.


He is a player who is about 3/4 years ahead in his development in senior football, having been in Atalanta first team squad before heading to United, so the comparison to Garnacho today is ill advised. Garnacho in terms of timeline is comparable to Amad at Rangers and we know how that loan turned out
Garnacho may end up not developing well, but the need to try and tear down a young player just because someone else (who is far more experienced) is in better form is a bit silly

I never said he spent his first two years on loan. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

I said he was loaned to Rangers and then Sunderland “in his first two years”. As in, the loans happened during the first two years he was with the club. I did not say he was loaned “for” two years. See the difference?

And because he went out on loan during his first two years with the club, “our coaches didn’t have two years worth of watching him in training and matches,” exactly like I originally said.

Meanwhile you claimed he was “at Utd for his first two years”. That is factually incorrect. He was on loan at other clubs for half that time.

And it’s not a case of trying to “tear a player down”. After seeing him play over the past few years, I just don’t rate him very much, and fans having opinions on the players they watch week in week out is not an outrageous concept. I think he’s a pretty low IQ player who doesn’t have any particularly standout attributes and therefore I don’t think he has as high a ceiling as Amad. That’s all.

 

[Cassidy]

I never said he spent his first two years on loan. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

I said he was loaned to Rangers and then Sunderland “in his first two years”. As in, the loans happened during the first two years he was with the club. I did not say he was loaned “for” two years. See the difference?

And because he went out on loan during his first two years with the club, “our coaches didn’t have two years worth of watching him in training and matches,” exactly like I originally said.

Meanwhile you claimed he was “at Utd for his first two years”. That is factually incorrect. He was on loan at other clubs for half that time.

And it’s not a case of trying to “tear a player down”. After seeing him play over the past few years, I just don’t rate him very much, and fans having opinions on the players they watch week in week out is not an outrageous concept. I think he’s a pretty low IQ player who doesn’t have any particularly standout attributes and therefore I don’t think he has as high a ceiling as Amad. That’s all.

If you watched Amad in his first 2 years especially the Rangers loan…

 

[Isotope]

He is only 20 and he is frustrating. Our issue isn't him but the state of us depending on an 20 year old to win games. That's what 20 year old kids are - inconsistent and frustrating.

Our inability to plan the squad in a timely manner is what the issue is.

Wait until you see United spend 50m on another 17 yo kid when money is tight.

 

[AbstruseAlan]

Garnacho is quite literally the least of our problems.

 

[Zumbi]

So, in his first year, he was at United playing for the u21s and a few appearances in the first team (across the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons), so you were still wrong; he did not spend his first 2 years on loan.



He is a player who is about 3/4 years ahead in his development in senior football, having been in Atalanta first team squad before heading to United, so the comparison to Garnacho today is ill advised. Garnacho in terms of timeline is comparable to Amad at Rangers and we know how that loan turned out
Garnacho may end up not developing well, but the need to try and tear down a young player just because someone else (who is far more experienced) is in better form is a bit silly

I tried to figure this one out but it’s really not adding up.

Garnacho’s made 123 senior appearances for Utd (i’m counting PL, Europe and domestic cups here).

Amad has only made 77 senior appearances in the top flight. This includes the PL, Europe and domestic cups for Utd, plus his games for Rangers and Atalanta. If i’m being generous I could include the 37 games for Sunderland in the championship but that still only brings it up to 114 senior appearances.

So how is Amad is 3/4 years ahead of Garnacho in his development? How is he ““far more experienced”?

OK, he’s two years older, but it’s actually Garnacho who has played more senior matches, with more of them being at a higher level.

 

[Xeque_279]

I tried to figure this one out but it’s really not adding up.

Garnacho’s made 123 senior appearances for Utd (i’m counting PL, Europe and domestic cups here).

Amad has only made 77 senior appearances in the top flight. This includes the PL, Europe and domestic cups for Utd, plus his games for Rangers and Atalanta. If i’m being generous I could include the 37 games for Sunderland in the championship but that still only brings it up to 114 senior appearances.

So how is Amad is 3/4 years ahead of Garnacho in his development? How is he ““far more experienced”?

OK, he’s two years older, but it’s actually Garnacho who has played more senior matches, with more of them being at a higher level.

Tbh that Sunderland loan was huge for Amad. Being given the responsibility and the trust from the manager. Changed his game for the better too.

Amad comes across as being much more matured in his game, compared to Garna. I love both of them though, Garna is going through a really poor patch, confidence is a very important thing, especially for attacking/flair players.

Him and Hojlund both need to be impact players off the bench, not starters for us, given how much pressure is there on their respective roles.

 

[foolsgold]

Garnacho is quite literally the least of our problems.

Entirely agree. The kid needs better coaching, especially around improving his composure and decision making but all the ingredients are there.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Garnacho is quite literally the least of our problems.

Just needs a firm hand from Amorim. It’s a team game, he’ll do better if he starts to value assists more. The talent and work rate is there.

His issues are what we should expect I guess with a young forward line - there’s an element of selfishness (I think this is his biggest issue) which has to be channeled.