[Dans]

He's only 20 ffs you muppets. If he's still the same at 27 then get rid..

This approach will keep us on the outside looking in. I'd give him another season at most, but if he doesn't develop, then we should move him on. His football intelligence is limited, and whilst that can be improved, his decision making currently is really quite poor. He's got no real pace, no left foot, and has a propensity to sulk when things don't go his way (see his reaction when he was subbed off in one of Amorim's first games when he sat on the steps up to the bench throwing a strop. He also is very reluctant to track back or press (see Amad as the example of how to do that) although he made a bit more of an effort last night.

 

[MadDogg]

This approach will keep us on the outside looking in. I'd give him another season at most, but if he doesn't develop, then we should move him on. His football intelligence is limited, and whilst that can be improved, his decision making currently is really quite poor. He's got no real pace, no left foot, and has a propensity to sulk when things don't go his way (see his reaction when he was subbed off in one of Amorim's first games when he sat on the steps up to the bench throwing a strop. He also is very reluctant to track back or press (see Amad as the example of how to do that) although he made a bit more of an effort last night.

To be fair, the reluctance to track back seemed to be a recent thing mostly in the earlier part of this season. He's generally had a good willingness to both press high up the field and also to get back and help. The issue was more that he was quite poor at knowing how to defend effectively when he did get back, as players ran off him quite easily.

If he regains that willingness to help the defence, it'll then be interesting to see if he can learn to do it effectively which might make him a good option for a wingback role.

 

[saik]

As I responded to another poster, why do you think it's just his decision making that's lacking?

• You rarely see him beating anyone with his dribbling from a standpoint as he just doesn't have the skill. He'll beat some players with pace because he's got average pace(for comparison, Rashford at the same age had blistering pace) but it's not anything special.
• He's lightweight, can't pass for shit and it's not even down to decision making. He misplaces simple 5 yard passes. You just have to look at the first goal West Ham scored last week and the last game where Casemiro gave him a bollocking to see what I'm talking about.
• Again the same two instances can be used to highlight his average workrate as he did nothing after giving the ball away.
• Average to pathetic finishing as well. Missed an open goal against Fulham in the opening game of the season, some very good opportunities wasted against Palace, same against West Ham and his ballooned shot right into Sanchez last night when there was literally no one around him was just laughable.

All he really is an average player with some good off the ball movement. He needs to show a hell lot to be able to say he's got world class potential or he's going to be an unbelievable player.

Said this a few weeks ago. I think a decision needs to be made on him in the summer. Do we back him to improve on those things or look to make some cash when his stock is high?

Decision making is something that can absolutely be improved but the other things I'm not sure can be improved upon. And before anyone says he's only 20 years old, he's had around 110 appearances for our senior team. More than enough time for us to judge him fairly.

At this point, I'd say sell him if he doesn't show any improvement before the end of the season. He's the same player as he was when he broke through and I'd say that he's even regressed a bit because he's more selfish now which is reflected in his half arsed workrate and potshots from stupid angles.

 

[Dans]

To be fair, the reluctance to track back seemed to be a recent thing mostly in the earlier part of this season. He's generally had a good willingness to both press high up the field and also to get back and help. The issue was more that he was quite poor at knowing how to defend effectively when he did get back, as players ran off him quite easily.

If he regains that willingness to help the defence, it'll then be interesting to see if he can learn to do it effectively which might make him a good option for a wingback role.

I see that somewhat differently - I think he's not a natural defender and therefore lazy. I don't think it's so much that players ran off him easily, although they did, but rather because he stopped running with them as if relying on the full back or cb to take on that player once he entered the final third. Garnacho would simply stop.

 

[Marwood]

There isn't a role for him in this set up.

So we'll see how serious the club is about committing to Amorim.

If they're serious Garnacho should go.

 

[RuudTom83]

In the Amorim system he is going to have to adapt his game to fit in, but nobody can expect him to change over night.

Just have a bit of patience and you know...support the team/players.

 

[Tincanalley]

In the Amorim system he is going to have to adapt his game to fit in, but nobody can expect him to change over night.

Just have a bit of patience and you know...support the team/players.

I agree wholeheartedly @RuudTom83

 

[giggs-beckham]

In the Amorim system he is going to have to adapt his game to fit in, but nobody can expect him to change over night.

Just have a bit of patience and you know...support the team/players.

Yea he's young enough to change, we'll see

 

[SparcMac]

There isn't a role for him in this set up.

So we'll see how serious the club is about committing to Amorim.

If they're serious Garnacho should go.

Lil bro, he is 20 years old, he has to adapt to multiple positions & formations to have a long career.

 

[Marwood]

Lil bro, he is 20 years old, he has to adapt to multiple positions & formations to have a long career.

"Lil bro" is a bit weird but moving on, no most players don't switch positions throughout their career.

They generally have one, maybe a slight tweak to shift into a different position. Winger to fullback maybe.

But a player can't or very rarely fundamentally changes. Garnacho is a winger and we don't play with them.

 

[Escobar]

People writing him off, so fecking stupid.

It is and we also need to give him (like other players) some time to find their way into the new system. Not everyone adapts so quickly

 

[Marwood]

It is and we also need to give him (like other players) some time to find their way into the new system. Not everyone adapts so quickly

But if the position a player plays no longer exists?

That's a different thing all together.

For the other players it's a tweak at most if not exactly the same. For Garnacho and Rashford it's very different in this system.

It's sqaure pegs in round holes, the type of thing we've bemoaned over the last decade.

 

[acnumber9]

He’s got a touch of the Raheem Sterling’s about him. He has great movement that gets him into lots of good scoring positions but there’s not much beyond that.

 

[Kaos]

I'd be tempted to sell on the basis he's one of the few players that very much has value in the transfer market and can fetch a substantial fee for us, which we desperately need to bolster the weak spots of our team with players that would actually fit Amorim's new system. It would be full profit too considering he's a youth team player.

Very much agree with those who say we should be more ruthless and fast-acting instead of patient with the whole 'young nd lernin' mantra that hasn't got us anywhere in the last decade.

 

[Smores]

To be fair, the reluctance to track back seemed to be a recent thing mostly in the earlier part of this season. He's generally had a good willingness to both press high up the field and also to get back and help. The issue was more that he was quite poor at knowing how to defend effectively when he did get back, as players ran off him quite easily.

If he regains that willingness to help the defence, it'll then be interesting to see if he can learn to do it effectively which might make him a good option for a wingback role.

Most players can learn to be a fullback it's the easiest position on the pitch. If he wants to do it he'll be fine at LWB, in this system they don't have to do that much defending anyway.

With Amad looking to have nailed the 10 spot we'll need another winger to play wing back, we can't keep playing too defenders as they're too risk averse.

 

[MadMike]

He's a 20yo he'll have off periods and on periods and he can still be moulded. I think writing him off is silly.

He does need to work on his link-up because he has mostly striker's instincts to run in behind and to shoot but he often finds it difficult to play a quick give-and-go or put in a good cross in the box. But again, only 20yo, decision making and maturity will come with time.

 

[Godfather]

For the LWB position I can see him but he'll have to learn to chase his runners and work on his positioning defensively

 

[Born2Lose]

But if the position a player plays no longer exists?

That's a different thing all together.

For the other players it's a tweak at most if not exactly the same. For Garnacho and Rashford it's very different in this system.

It's sqaure pegs in round holes, the type of thing we've bemoaned over the last decade.

My impression is Amorim likes him, at 20 maybe he thinks there's something he can mould there. He's not the first 20 year old to be disciplined and he won't be the last. How he responds is what matters.

Rashford on the other hand lacks footballing intelligence and technical ability. Scoring a couple of goals but contributing nothing else won't get a pass anymore.

It's clear Amorim likes intelligent, adaptable players over rigid positions and it's no surprise that Amad has quickly risen to becoming one of the team's key players.

 

[Redstain]

He doesn't have the versatility to be a key player in Amorim's system. The issue with Garnacho is he's a part of the narrative under Erik's tenure of amassing the worst attack of any post Ferguson era team in the clubs recent history.

Between Garnacho, Hojlund and Rashford it's substitute level across all three key attacking positions. I wouldn't write him off to be sold but a loan with the view of United signing at least three forwards over the next 24 months could be beneficial for not just the first team's quality but his career development.

 

[Rojofiam]

I'd definitely sell for the right price. People can talk about his age all they want, but players don't, can't outgrow their profiles. So what is it in Garnacho that suggests to you that he's gonna become a world beater? Which parts of his overall skillset will improve so much that he's gonna become a superstar? Because I don't think there's anything that suggests he will become that Son/Mané/22-23 Rashford/Alexis type of left winger that I think a portion of the fanbase are expecting from him.

 

[Lewnited]

I'd definitely sell for the right price. People can talk about his age all they want, but players don't, can't outgrow their profiles. So what is it in Garnacho that suggests to you that he's gonna become a world beater? Which parts of his overall skillset will improve so much that he's gonna become a superstar? Because I don't think there's anything that suggests he will become that Son/Mané/22-23 Rashford/Alexis type of left winger that I think a portion of the fanbase are expecting from him.

I think this is where my head is at with him, it's not even a case of 'writing him off' as some say, I've just never seen what makes him a particularly stand out talent. He has good movement and a knack for getting into goalscoring positions, but outside of that I'm not seeing anything that we've seen in other 21 year old 'top talents', over the years.

Happy for him to stay and grow but would definitely take good money if it was offered.

 

[afrocentricity]

"Lil bro" is a bit weird but moving on, no most players don't switch positions throughout their career.

They generally have one, maybe a slight tweak to shift into a different position. Winger to fullback maybe.

But a player can't or very rarely fundamentally changes. Garnacho is a winger and we don't play with them.

I dont like this recent sentiment tbh. What if this system doesnt work? What if we are forced too revert in some way or reintroduce wingers due to a tactical tweak? What do we do then once we've cleared out all wingers in some misguided attempt to go all in on Amorim's current philosophy?

Not to mention the fact that as long as i followed us we have always had wingers and wing play. To see that changing so abruptly is slightly alarming tbh.... but what do I know?

 

[Doracle]

I dont like this recent sentiment tbh. What if this system doesnt work? What if we are forced too revert in some way or reintroduce wingers due to a tactical tweak? What do we do then once we've cleared out all wingers in some misguided attempt to go all in on Amorim's current philosophy?

Not to mention the fact that as long as i followed us we have always had wingers and wing play. To see that changing so abruptly is slightly alarming tbh.... but what do I know?

It’s also nonsense. This formation is perfectly capable of accommodating a player with more “wing” like tendencies in that left 10 position. Heck, Bruno was getting a load of space basically in a left wing role yesterday but was too slow to take advantage. We are lacking any sort of goal threat or movement in behind with neither Garnacho nor Rashford in the team and one of them has to play.

 

[Marwood]

My impression is Amorim likes him, at 20 maybe he thinks there's something he can mould there. He's not the first 20 year old to be disciplined and he won't be the last. How he responds is what matters.

Rashford on the other hand lacks footballing intelligence and technical ability. Scoring a couple of goals but contributing nothing else won't get a pass anymore.

It's clear Amorim likes intelligent, adaptable players over rigid positions and it's no surprise that Amad has quickly risen to becoming one of the team's key players.

It's bold to suggest Amorim likes him after just dropping him from the squad entirely. He might but it's not all roses between them clearly.

Amorim might like adaptable players but is Garnacho adaptable. I don’t think he is.

I dont like this recent sentiment tbh. What if this system doesnt work? What if we are forced too revert in some way or reintroduce wingers due to a tactical tweak? What do we do then once we've cleared out all wingers in some misguided attempt to go all in on Amorim's current philosophy?

Not to mention the fact that as long as i followed us we have always had wingers and wing play. To see that changing so abruptly is slightly alarming tbh.... but what do I know?

Well the wingplay comes from the wingbacks.

Question is can he become one of them because I don't see him as a 10.

But if you don't go all in with a managers system why appoint him in the first place.
 

It’s also nonsense. This formation is perfectly capable of accommodating a player with more “wing” like tendencies in that left 10 position. Heck, Bruno was getting a load of space basically in a left wing role yesterday but was too slow to take advantage. We are lacking any sort of goal threat or movement in behind with neither Garnacho nor Rashford in the team and one of them has to play.

There's wing like tendencies and then there's asking an out and our winger to become more of a 10.

It's a real shift for any wide player and I'd say especially so for Garnacho.

This isn't writing him off. I'm sure he'll have a good career. But it won't be in this formation.

 

[ManRed]

He has regressed quite a bit this season. His output has been better in goals and assists. However his general play has staggered. I didnt see much of him this season until Amorim came in so not sure if he was firing on all cylinders at the start. I am going to trust Amorim on Garnacho and whether he should stay or go. Clearly improvment is needed and he needs to work on playing in tight spaces.

 

[afrocentricity]

But if you don't go all in with a managers system why appoint him in the first place.

Y'all never learn..... but anyway I'm hoping for the best, just no self destruction please....

 

[11101]

It's his third season in top level football. It's unusual for a young player to do so well in their second season, it's rare for them to continue it into the third season. There is a very talented player in Garnacho and it's up to him and the coaches to get him back on track.

I was delighted he was back in the squad last night as it shows he's responded in the right way.

 

[Marwood]

Y'all never learn..... but anyway I'm hoping for the best, just no self destruction please....

Get a manager who doesn't use traditional wingers.

Have multiple traditional wingers in the squad.

It doesn't scream sound logic does it.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

He has plenty of deficiencies in his game but he is also clearly a better player than he is showing right now.

 

[Rozay]

Said before, it’s clear (to me) that he doesn’t have obvious elite level talent, but at the same time - I think he also has top potential. If he makes it to the top, he will do so in the same way a player like Jamie Vardy did - without being one of the most supremely talented forwards around. But Vardy was one of the best goalscorers in England for a good while, and Garnacho, I think, can also end up as a high output player. He gets into fantastic positions very often.

 

[soapythecat]

AG is a good player - we’ve seen that on countless occasions - but I’m not sure he’s right for this new system. His strengths are as an out and out winger and he just won’t see that role here.
I think he’s probably one of our most sellable players and could easily fetch £70m. That would be almost all profit and really help our PSR and buy a couple of players who can contribute week in, week out, under Amorin.
Sell him in the summer and move on. His eyebrows alone justfy selling him.

 

[kouroux]

AG is a good player - we’ve seen that on countless occasions - but I’m not sure he’s right for this new system. His strengths are as an out and out winger and he just won’t see that role here.
I think he’s probably one of our most sellable players and could easily fetch £70m. That would be almost all profit and really help our PSR and buy a couple of players who can contribute week in, week out, under Amorin.
Sell him in the summer and move on. His eyebrows alone justfy selling him.

Easily fetch how much ?

 

[soapythecat]

Easily fetch how much ?

You disagree? One of the best youngsters in PL you could argue.

 

[afrocentricity]

Get a manager who doesn't use traditional wingers.

Have multiple traditional wingers in the squad.

It doesn't scream sound logic does it.

You didn't even think about what I posted did you? Because getting rid of your best wingers in year one doesn't sound like logic to me, unless you have ready made replacements ready to slot it?

 

[SparcMac]

"Lil bro" is a bit weird but moving on, no most players don't switch positions throughout their career.

They generally have one, maybe a slight tweak to shift into a different position. Winger to fullback maybe.

But a player can't or very rarely fundamentally changes. Garnacho is a winger and we don't play with them.

Nah, I am just being honest here. If Garnacho really wants to make from Wonderkid to actual star player who can carry his side in Premier League, he has to adapt to current formation.

Taking Flick's Barcelona atm. Where Lamine Yamal on the right is Inverted Winger and Raphina plays Shadow Striker behind Lewandowski, who drifts wide to the left also. Those "wingers" Inverted Wingers, Inside Forwards or whatever you want to call them have to be so dynamical to adapt their play style in different roles and formations. If your only trick is to hug the touchline, then sorry bro - you won't make it to the absolute top.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Said this a few weeks ago. I think a decision needs to be made on him in the summer. Do we back him to improve on those things or look to make some cash when his stock is high?

Decision making is something that can absolutely be improved but the other things I'm not sure can be improved upon. And before anyone says he's only 20 years old, he's had around 110 appearances for our senior team. More than enough time for us to judge him fairly.

At this point, I'd say sell him if he doesn't show any improvement before the end of the season. He's the same player as he was when he broke through and I'd say that he's even regressed a bit because he's more selfish now which is reflected in his half arsed workrate and potshots from stupid angles.

Agree.

I’m not sure how people watch Garnacho (and actually WATCH instead of checking some post match stats and a highlight or two) and think he’s a super talent. His take on ability has actually gotten far worse and he’s very mediocre technically. Awful passer as well.

It’s not like he’s skinning fullbacks constantly and wowing you every game but is just messing up the choice to pass or shoot. But since he’s an academy kid that’s young United fans want to see him fail for 2 more years before realizing he’s not as good as they thought.

 

[Posh Red]

How much could we realistically demand for him?

 

[kouroux]

You disagree? One of the best youngsters in PL you could argue.

I suppose we can always find a stupid club somewhere but anything above 50 for him would be mad lucky.

 

[dubplate warrior]

I sometimes feel like I’m watching a different game. The way he played yesterday reinforces my belief that he’s got the talent to be a genuinely exceptional player. He’s got the ability and the attitude. Get the decision making right and you’ve got an unbelievable player.

You're watching a different game.

 

[Vidooq]

He will get till the end of this season to show that he can adapt and gradually improve his game, be a team player without any disciplinary issues and improve his body language. If not, he will be gone in the summer, as there is nowhere to hide under Amorim.